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[Kristofer1]

I die all the time on normal. You think insanity is childs play? ha. I think its beyond hard.

[alx119]

I want you to experience the Mass Effect series as I did.

That's nice, we don't want to. We all experience Mass Effect in a different way. You can NOT force us to see what you want to see, nor to feel what you want to feel. So stop trying to convince yourself that you're smarter than us, or better than us, and simply stop being so arrogant.

We understand people that liked the endings, and we respect them. But people who only brag about "how good" the endings were like you is going to be qualified as either trolls, or delusional people, or willfully ignorant people, and willful ignorance is a synonim of stupidity. I like to think you're not stupid, just really arrogant.

So please, just stop.
You enjoyed the ending, that's nice, we didn't.

We don't need YOU to come and make us enjoy anything. We should be able to enjoy it by BioWare's merits.

[Silasqtx]

huntrrz wrote...

camirish1 wrote...

Don't know if this was asked, but are you the person who streamed your entire first playthrough live with everyone spamming you every second? God fearing, AI hating Shepard?

Yep, same guy, whose commentary included nearly every sentence beginning with the word, "DUDE!!!"

He thought the ending was "***AWESOME***!!!! :wizard::O" because the game had somehow read his mind and presented him with the choice he would have imagined himself, not realizing that it had only coincidentally meshed with his playstyle and mindset.

Is he the one who got mashed by a Reaper leg like 16 times in a row before understanding that he had to run instead of fighting brutes?

[Aurica]

LOL OP.. what were you thinking when you spent all your time writing that?

[nevar00]

He's NOT a Mary Sue? Really? ...Huh. That's funny as I got the exact opposite from that ending.

Shepard can stand on the Citadel, a MASSIVE space station, as it sits in space above Earth.

Then it explodes and comes crashing down with Shepard through the atmosphere. You know, like how he died in the second game. Except this time he's coming down with a massive exploding space station.

Your plan sucks by the way. We shouldn't have to put limitations on ourselves to get the most out of the game. That's just laughable.

I also like how you keep using "must've skipped the dialogue" as an insult. The funny this is, that you can do that after the first playthrough due to there hardly being any options to choose dialogue.

[Kyrick]

alx119 wrote...

I want you to experience the Mass Effect series as I did.

That's
nice, we don't want to. We all experience Mass Effect in a different
way. You can NOT force us to see what you want to see, nor to feel what
you want to feel. So stop trying to convince yourself that you're
smarter than us, or better than us, and simply stop being so arrogant.

We
understand people that liked the endings, and we respect them. But
people who only brag about "how good" the endings were like you is going
to be qualified as either trolls, or delusional people, or willfully
ignorant people, and willful ignorance is a synonim of stupidity. I like
to think you're not stupid, just really arrogant.

So please, just stop.
You enjoyed the ending, that's nice, we didn't.

We don't need YOU to come and make us enjoy anything. We should be able to enjoy it by BioWare's merits.

And if you want to experience it 'his way' then all you have to go is cut off oxygen to your brain for a while, slam your head around a bit so whatever is left of any brains you may have possessed is scrambled, then get into the mindset of shamelessly trolling for viewers on a stream that is no doubt amongst the lamest things a living human being is ever likely to experience in their lives.

It's funny when somebody like the original poster tries their hardest to be 'smart' sounding.  In reality, the guy is a a minor troll with a miniscule intellect that can't figure out any way better to spend his day than weak trolls like this putz does; "Imma supper smrt person and I undastood da edings and you dint!  Hur dur"

Modifié par Kyrick, 28 mars 2012 - 01:58 .

[Wikkr]

Played all 3 games without dieing (first time i came close was near the end in london) and no magical insight occured that gave closure to the story. 3 of my crew still ended up stranded on some jungle planet (after magicly transporting to the normandy), the rest of my crew is still MIA, the reapers are still dead and shep still took half a breath laying in a pile of broken concrete after the citadel and crucible exploded (seems hes immune to exploding space stations now).
Im glad that you feel your shep would fight against all odds all the way through and then just turn around and take the word of the reapers supposed builder. It says a lot about you that youd blindly place your faith in some random character who pops up and tells you what to do. Sovereign you told to F off, Harbinger you told to F off. Star child you told 'ok ill just do what ye say'. Im happy that your happy but personally i shall wait for the real ending bioware claim to have been working on all along.

[jonal11]

TabooTattoo wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Wait, so if I play all 3 games without dying all of a sudden the ending will make sense? Sorry, but I don't think so

^this.  OP sounds like starchild logic to me.

I'm to lazy to find wich logical fallacy the op is using. If someone else wants to give it a go.


http://en.wikipedia....st_of_fallacies

Modifié par jonal11, 28 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[camirish1]

huntrrz wrote...

camirish1 wrote...

Don't know if this was asked, but are you the person who streamed your entire first playthrough live with everyone spamming you every second? God fearing, AI hating Shepard?

Yep, same guy, whose commentary included nearly every sentence beginning with the word, "DUDE!!!"

He thought the ending was "***AWESOME***!!!! :wizard::O" because the game had somehow read his mind and presented him with the choice he would have imagined himself, not realizing that it had only coincidentally meshed with his playstyle and mindset.

Yeah the fact that his RP matched the game exactly was amazing. Too bad my belief system is the complete opposite.  Try doing that ending again when you don't believe in God or magic and you find the Geth to be your equals.

[Melicamp]

jonal11 wrote...
I'm to lazy to find wich logical fallacy the op is using. If someone else wants to give it a go.

I had a go on the last page. I went for No True Scotsman and Moving The Goalposts. There are others, but I feel those are the most pertinent.

[DJBare]

If you had watched his first stream, he goes on and on about "this is what it's been all about, this is what we have been fighting for, the destruction of all synthetics"; never mind that we also wipe out the true geth in the process and committed murder, or we could go the green route and remove self determination entirely or the blue route which effectively goes against self determination again.

For me personally, this should have ended with an epic battle depending on your EMS, the reapers are destroyed or "driven back to the hole they crawled out of!"

[kimuji]

Luzarius wrote...

Shepard fought as hard as possible.  In the end you were nearly bleeding out, almost dead. But you pushed on.

"A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfilment fantasy for the author or reader."....

Shepard was not a mary sue. Bioware, you are legend. You chose to push our limits.

Instead of some unrealistic ending, we were treated to an ending that challenged us to "accept our limitations" and acknowledge how powerful the reapers were. Shepard can only go so far. Shepard HAD to trust all the advanced civilizations that made the crucible. Shep had FAITH.

Then.............. The crucible connected and it worked. We got a small window to influence this powerful creation known as the catalyst. All those dead civilizations struggled and fought so they could give Shepard a what, ten to fifteen minute window?

MY CHALLENGE TO YOU:

I want you to experience the Mass Effect series as I did.

No death ruleset: If you let shepard die, you restart the game over again (3/5 people won't understand this).

ME1: Set the difficulty to casual. I want you to play through ME1 without letting your shepard die. I want you to understand how much fun it is to ensure your sheps survival.   You may think the fights will be "too easy", but let's see how you feel after 20 hours. (Brave? Set it to normal....) Start feeling what Shepard is feeling. Understand the character. 

ME2: Okay, did you beat ME1 in a no death ruleset? Ok tough guy. Now import into ME2..... Watch the intro. Upset? Yes your shep dies. You'll truly understand the start of ME2 since you played ME1 in a no death ruleset. You'll see the game in a new light. Now in ME2 set the difficulty to normal.  Now play through the entire game without letting your shep die.  I believe in you, you can do it. Just understand every dialogue option and fight as hard as you can, you will make it. I promise you. Don't let your Shepard be "indecisive". Pick a morale base and stick to it.

ME3: You beat ME2 in a no death, good job. You make me proud. Now import into ME3. Earth is doomed! You have to survive. By now you understand survival through Shepards eyes because you played ME1 & ME2 in a no death ruleset.  Now you can see ME3 in the proper light. You have to survive until the very end of the game.  ME3 is about survival & trust.  Two very basic concepts. By the end of ME3 you will only recognize two things. Survival & your shepards personality.   The catalyst will make sense, the options presented will make perfect sense. Everything will fall into place, I guarantee it. Please trust me.

Anyone can beat the game on insanity, it's childs play. But not everyone can beat the game in a no death play through...... It's a mental challenge. One that will allow you to truly understand Commander Shepard.

This style of play will allow you to enjoy the Mass Effect 3 ending. This is my gift to you. Embrace it or let your emotions take hold and rebel (like a little school girl). 

Challeng me back! I'm ready. Hit me up with your challenge. *spits on the ground*. (waits for the trolls)

I make this post with much love, please trust brother Luz.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

"Survival no matter what the cost". That's what you are implying with your challenge and that's what we are supposed to think and feel by playing the game the way you recommend it. And I have a simple answer for that: no.

Mass Effect's point has always been to let the player decide if he lets, or doesn't let, Shepard using solutions as questionnable as the issue he is trying to solve. The three endings are all very questionnable solutions, there should be at least a good one in balance. The fear of death forces many people to resort to unacceptable means. Survival can't be the only motivation to everything, and it is meaningless if to that end you must change who you are, because if you do so the person you were is already dead. The game is broken, among many other reasons, because it only has one possible outcome no matter what color you chose at the end: Shepard must trash and forget all his ethical concerns. A Pargaon Shepard would never do that. The game can't conclude on "Survival above everything", it must be possible to follow the other path: "Stay true to your self whatever happens". Especially if the choice was given throughout the whole game (and NO the green ending isn't a Paragon or ethically acceptable ending). You can't just force to accept one side and set aside the other, they are the two faces of a coin.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster." Friedrich Nietzsche

(a quote that also opens one the most famous Bioware games: Baldur's Gate)

[DannieCraft]

 I did just this. "No death" rule. On a casual gameplay it is quite easy, and it makes you be able to follow the storyline nicely with shorter gameplay.

But, in the end, it wasn't the choices that bothered me much, it was the cutscenes that followed. Seeing my LI step out of the Normandy with a smile on her face together with Joker. No mourning, no breath of relief, no answers to "what happened next?", and then - end credits.

A "no death rule" does not change my feelings about this. The closure isn't there. But I do trust that this is part of what BioWare will fix with the ending. And then I can enjoy the entire game series even more, and replay it again and again and again...

Modifié par DannieCraft, 28 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[DoktorAffentanz]

kylemesa wrote...

How come everyone who loves the end sounds like a cult fanatic...

Indoctrination...maybe?

[S Atomeha]

Silasqtx wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

camirish1 wrote...

Don't know if this was asked, but are you the person who streamed your entire first playthrough live with everyone spamming you every second? God fearing, AI hating Shepard?

Yep, same guy, whose commentary included nearly every sentence beginning with the word, "DUDE!!!"

He thought the ending was "***AWESOME***!!!! :wizard::O" because the game had somehow read his mind and presented him with the choice he would have imagined himself, not realizing that it had only coincidentally meshed with his playstyle and mindset.

Is he the one who got mashed by a Reaper leg like 16 times in a row before understanding that he had to run instead of fighting brutes?

but... i killed all the brutes... on insanity...

[danistrad]

I get what you are saying OP, and I even agree with the idea that you can't beat the Reapers without a major sacrifice. But that doesn't fill the plot holes nor fix the poor choices for plot devices.

[wantedman dan]

To the OP: No.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

The Angry One wrote...

No.

As always you contribute something productive to a thread that thinks differently then you do.

[pablosplinter]

I find myself suspicious of many people on here who say they like the ending.It is fine that they liked the ending, and were able to enjoy it, but they never concede a single point. They defend absolutely everything about it

[wombat_stalker]

Nope, still not making sense. Granted, I died once in ME1, and that was due to sneezing while killing a Thresher Maw on foot. (needed the exp)

[jonal11]

Melicamp wrote...

jonal11 wrote...
I'm to lazy to find wich logical fallacy the op is using. If someone else wants to give it a go.

I had a go on the last page. I went for No True Scotsman and Moving The Goalposts. There are others, but I feel those are the most pertinent.

Ohh nice, I haven't heard of No True Scotsman, going to look that one up.

[Myrmedus]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No.

As always you contribute something productive to a thread that thinks differently then you do.

To be fair, I understand him.

The sheer amount of threads spouting superior, self-dignified and utter nonsense...if you were to present a well reasoned argument with everyone you would literally spend your entire life on here.

There are a few good threads in favour of the endings but by God they're like gold dust.

[TheScott1987]

It's impossible for Shepard to fit into any one classification of characters because he is what we choose. If we choose him to be a Mary Sue, then he is. If we want him to be a giant pansy who would rather run than fight . . . Then he is. Telling people Shepard's goal is survival is wrong . . . Because his goal is what we want it to be.

I played ME1 to ME3 with MY character. I was happy with the game until the ending didn't let me respond how MY CHARACTER would have. I'm not looking for an exact, but choices like I was given the rest of the game, which were close enough to what my character would do.

I will continue to post this in your threads: HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY AN ANTI-AI CHARACTER LISTENING/TRUSTING THE MAIN AI IN CHARGE OF ALL THE OTHER EVIL AI'S.

[Soul Tumor]

Would not dying make me forget all of the things we were told in numorous prerelease interviews would be in the endings? Dont think so.

[wantedman dan]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No.

As always you contribute something productive to a thread that thinks differently then you do.

I'll take this as a post to me as well, since i posted in a similar fashion.

Your criticism would hold merit if the OP weren't a) a confirmed troll, intentionally posting inflammatory subject matter, and c) insulting anyone who disagrees with his point of view.

Please don't defend trolls.

Kthnxbai