So your argument is that the ending only makes sense if you play with a contrived no death ruleset? Even assuming it does hold up under these circumstances it would still amount to a colossal failure on behalf of the ending.
Its fine that you are satisfied with low quality ass pulls in your literature, but please don't project your opinion onto others claiming their understanding of the ending is in some way flawed, especially if the basis for this rationale is that they haven't played the game in some unrealistically arduous manner
Survive, Survive, Survive.. But then, you're forced to "trust".. What a brilliant ending....
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#177
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:27
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So let me get this straight. In order to appreciate the ending of a video game series that has rested on the premise of it being "Your story" and "Play it your way.", I have to follow an arbitrary set of rules that dictate how I play, imposed by some guy on the forum who has no affiliation with the creators whatsoever and is thus merely trying enforce a "My way or the highway" doctrine?
As so eloquently stated by The Angry One: "No."
As so eloquently stated by The Angry One: "No."
#179
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:39
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Again? Really?
I don't want to watch your twitch vids man. Your just advertising.
Luzarius wrote...
Luzarius
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"no death ruleset"
I don't want to watch your twitch vids man. Your just advertising.
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#180
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:44
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The Angry One wrote...
Cute. But you use a lot of words to say nothing.
My Shepard would never give up. She would never "trust" an untrustworthy, genocidal maniac.
She would fight to the bitter end no matter what. She would not give up. I understand the ending perfectly.
You're mistaking "source of all your problems" with "enemy." He's the former. Also, he's kinda dumb. If he was smart enough to trick you, he'd have been smart enough to lie about who he is.
#181
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:47
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^TheScott1987 wrote...
I will continue to post this in your threads: HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY AN ANTI-AI CHARACTER LISTENING/TRUSTING THE MAIN AI IN CHARGE OF ALL THE OTHER EVIL AIS.
Also, I think I found the True Scotsman from your fallacy.
#182
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:49
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A further point about the Reapers and them being "puppets" - one of them (Sovereign IIRC) said "We are each of us a nation". That's not the language of a puppet. The only time we ever ran in to the "puppet" mentality was when the Reaper that was blown away from orbit (can't remember which planet) can't answer for the reason for the cycles.
#183
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:51
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Im an OCD completionist gamer, and I always play through Mass Effect on normal difficulty, starting over if I die. Ending still sucks. Just thought you should know. Narrative cohesion unravels completely at the end, and primary themes of the Mass Effect universe are ridiculously contradicted.
#184
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:52
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FyreSyder wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
No.
#185
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:53
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Im an OCD completionist gamer, and I always play through Mass Effect on normal difficulty, starting over if I die. Ending still sucks. Just thought you should know. Narrative cohesion unravels completely at the end, and primary themes of the Mass Effect universe are ridiculously contradicted.
#186
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:53
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"I don't want to talk about the ending, please stop talking about the ending. I'll just make another thread about the ending to try and stop people talking about the ending."
Luzarius, I'm not angry .. I'm just disappointed.
It's clear to all that you're just fishing for clicks at this point.
Luzarius, I'm not angry .. I'm just disappointed.
It's clear to all that you're just fishing for clicks at this point.
#187
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:56
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Hahaha, this guy again!
Do something interesting on your stream, and get views that way. Don't use controversy to try and snag views from BSN.
Do something interesting on your stream, and get views that way. Don't use controversy to try and snag views from BSN.
#188
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:56
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Play the game my way and only my way; then and only then you will understand; otherwise I dismiss you utterly.
Ad hominem.
False dilemma.
...I don't even need to try.
Ad hominem.
False dilemma.
...I don't even need to try.
#189
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:03
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You know what Luz, I did. I still did not appreciate the ending. The narrative of the game does a complete 180 and shoves a stick up my ass for loving this game series. I also "get" the ending. It would have been beautiful if they had executed it properly without trying to highbrow it to the eleventh.
I'm more upset at the lack of closure for the characters I came to love in the game. My bro Garrus doesn't even get a "This one's for you Shepard" as he tips back a shot at the bar. Javvik doesn't get the vengeance he so earned. Liara doesn't get to hold her new born Asari baby. Tali doesn't get to hang a picture of Shepard up on the wall in her new home on Rannoch. Newly promoted Vega doesn't get to try and step into the shoes of the man who saved the galaxy. Ashley doesn't get murdered while preaching anti-gay sentiment to some homosexual batarian while arguing about Gods existence. Joker doesn't slip into a coma and die because he ****ed a robot.
I'm more upset at the lack of closure for the characters I came to love in the game. My bro Garrus doesn't even get a "This one's for you Shepard" as he tips back a shot at the bar. Javvik doesn't get the vengeance he so earned. Liara doesn't get to hold her new born Asari baby. Tali doesn't get to hang a picture of Shepard up on the wall in her new home on Rannoch. Newly promoted Vega doesn't get to try and step into the shoes of the man who saved the galaxy. Ashley doesn't get murdered while preaching anti-gay sentiment to some homosexual batarian while arguing about Gods existence. Joker doesn't slip into a coma and die because he ****ed a robot.
#191
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:06
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I have done this and it does not give any clarification or Eureka moment as you have described. The endings are still literary trash and go against everything my Shepard stands for and believes in.
#192
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:10
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It sounds fun, but to be honest.... I am a very bad gamer.
To take a character in ME1 and keep him alive till ME3 is too time consuming for someone of my skill level to achieve the emotion attachment you are going for.
I also dont know if it is necessary.... I have died plenty (all the fingers in china couldnt count) times and I still have the kind of attachment to my shepard that you described....
To take a character in ME1 and keep him alive till ME3 is too time consuming for someone of my skill level to achieve the emotion attachment you are going for.
I also dont know if it is necessary.... I have died plenty (all the fingers in china couldnt count) times and I still have the kind of attachment to my shepard that you described....
#193
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:11
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Funny.
Literate person with denigrating demeanor has Udina avatar. Tries to convince to:
1. Play all games again
2. Accept endings are all good for everyone
3. Get your enthusiasm for the game back
Working for Cerberus/the other side?
Literate person with denigrating demeanor has Udina avatar. Tries to convince to:
1. Play all games again
2. Accept endings are all good for everyone
3. Get your enthusiasm for the game back
Working for Cerberus/the other side?
#194
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:12
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That felt like a sermon from a bizarre cult that I had accidentally stumbled in on.
#195
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:13
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I remember this OP. The basic premise is that we didn't "get" the ending. No thanks.
#196
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:16
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thats ironic...isn't that exactly what your shepard did in ME3? Fought to the bitter end? last time I checked, you were still crying about how the ending sucks and blah blah blah...isnt that a "bitter end"? just sayinThe Angry One wrote...
Luzarius wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
No.
This person didn't even read what I said. He/she must of skipped every dialogue option in ME.
Do not be like this person.
The angry one will forever be remembered on the internet as someone who doesn't read and comprehend and instead responds to a title. This is the type of player who won't understand the ME3 ending.
Luzarius
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"no death ruleset"
Cute. But you use a lot of words to say nothing.
My Shepard would never give up. She would never "trust" an untrustworthy, genocidal maniac.
She would fight to the bitter end no matter what. She would not give up. I understand the ending perfectly.
#197
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:23
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LOL. This guy should visit a psychiatric hospital.
Anyway:
Anyway:
#198
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:25
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alienatedflea wrote...
thats ironic...isn't that exactly what your shepard did in ME3? Fought to the bitter end? last time I checked, you were still crying about how the ending sucks and blah blah blah...isnt that a "bitter end"? just sayinThe Angry One wrote...
Luzarius wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
No.
This person didn't even read what I said. He/she must of skipped every dialogue option in ME.
Do not be like this person.
The angry one will forever be remembered on the internet as someone who doesn't read and comprehend and instead responds to a title. This is the type of player who won't understand the ME3 ending.
Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"
Cute. But you use a lot of words to say nothing.
My Shepard would never give up. She would never "trust" an untrustworthy, genocidal maniac.
She would fight to the bitter end no matter what. She would not give up. I understand the ending perfectly.
No, Shepard folds like a piece of paper and unquestioningly complies in the end. There wasn't any fighting there. That's one of the problems.
#199
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:28
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I find you lack of sociological knowledge disturbing.
Also don't troll for hits.
Where is Stanley?
Also don't troll for hits.
Where is Stanley?
#200
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:42
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I actually watched you complete Mass Effect 3 livestream, Luzarius. I heard your thoughts at the end "this is it guys, this is what we've all been working towards, the destruction of all synthetics". Naturally I knew you were going to pick the Destroy ending. I thought to myself "really? You wiped out the Geth but you had no problems with EDI flying your ship or having a body and wandering around the ship? (not that the game really gave you a choice about that, much like the ending 
)" And then of course since the Quarians are partly synthetic themselves, you kill all them off since their cybernetics will presumably fail.
But I did think "well hey, it is his Shepard, he's allowed to play it any way he wants". I get what you are trying to say in your OP, but you're being very arrogant and egotistical about it. Everyone's experience is largely different (well, except in the case of this ending, where almost everyone went WTF????) and your insulting people by calling them 13 year olds just because they thought "WTF" at the ending (I happen to be 32) is not going to do you or your arguments any favours. There are many reasons we didn't understand the ending; the fact we didn't do a "nodeath" runthrough is not one of them.
You also seemed to not even care about the fact that your love interest was suddenly on the Normandy on some random planet somewhere despite having been in your squad right at the end when you charged the beam. Then of course, there's all the other ridiculous plots but hey.
As for the no-death rule, I have completed ME1 and 2 without dying, but completed ME1 on insanity and didn't die, while I completed ME2 on veteran without dying. Was damn tough but hey, when you have a portable nuclear rocket launcher, no boss is too tough XD I haven't completed ME3 without dying because frankly, after that ending I lack the desire to ever play it again.
Why bother? Nothing you do will change the ending or matter anyway. Sure, you can pick A, B or C but why bother? The cutscenes are all identical anyway, save for red, green or blue explosions. Not that you've seen them yet, since you wouldn't have had time to see them by playing all three games two more times each since you completed it the first time on livestream. So hey, go watch all three endings on youtube. Honestly, youtube does have some good videos on there sometimes.
)" And then of course since the Quarians are partly synthetic themselves, you kill all them off since their cybernetics will presumably fail.But I did think "well hey, it is his Shepard, he's allowed to play it any way he wants". I get what you are trying to say in your OP, but you're being very arrogant and egotistical about it. Everyone's experience is largely different (well, except in the case of this ending, where almost everyone went WTF????) and your insulting people by calling them 13 year olds just because they thought "WTF" at the ending (I happen to be 32) is not going to do you or your arguments any favours. There are many reasons we didn't understand the ending; the fact we didn't do a "nodeath" runthrough is not one of them.
You also seemed to not even care about the fact that your love interest was suddenly on the Normandy on some random planet somewhere despite having been in your squad right at the end when you charged the beam. Then of course, there's all the other ridiculous plots but hey.
As for the no-death rule, I have completed ME1 and 2 without dying, but completed ME1 on insanity and didn't die, while I completed ME2 on veteran without dying. Was damn tough but hey, when you have a portable nuclear rocket launcher, no boss is too tough XD I haven't completed ME3 without dying because frankly, after that ending I lack the desire to ever play it again.
Why bother? Nothing you do will change the ending or matter anyway. Sure, you can pick A, B or C but why bother? The cutscenes are all identical anyway, save for red, green or blue explosions. Not that you've seen them yet, since you wouldn't have had time to see them by playing all three games two more times each since you completed it the first time on livestream. So hey, go watch all three endings on youtube. Honestly, youtube does have some good videos on there sometimes.
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