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[MustacheManatee]

Kulthar Drax wrote...

I actually watched you complete Mass Effect 3 livestream, Luzarius. I heard your thoughts at the end "this is it guys, this is what we've all been working towards, the destruction of all synthetics". Naturally I knew you were going to pick the Destroy ending. I thought to myself "really? You wiped out the Geth but you had no problems with EDI flying your ship or having a body and wandering around the ship? (not that the game really gave you a choice about that, much like the ending )" And then of course since the Quarians are partly synthetic themselves, you kill all them off since their cybernetics will presumably fail.

But I did think "well hey, it is his Shepard, he's allowed to play it any way he wants". I get what you are trying to say in your OP, but you're being very arrogant and egotistical about it. Everyone's experience is largely different (well, except in the case of this ending, where almost everyone went WTF????) and your insulting people by calling them 13 year olds just because they thought "WTF" at the ending (I happen to be 32) is not going to do you or your arguments any favours. There are many reasons we didn't understand the ending; the fact we didn't do a "nodeath" runthrough is not one of them.

You also seemed to not even care about the fact that your love interest was suddenly on the Normandy on some random planet somewhere despite having been in your squad right at the end when you charged the beam. Then of course, there's all the other ridiculous plots but hey.

As for the no-death rule, I have completed ME1 and 2 without dying, but completed ME1 on insanity and didn't die, while I completed ME2 on veteran without dying. Was damn tough but hey, when you have a portable nuclear rocket launcher, no boss is too tough XD I haven't completed ME3 without dying because frankly, after that ending I lack the desire to ever play it again.

Why bother? Nothing you do will change the ending or matter anyway. Sure, you can pick A, B or C but why bother? The cutscenes are all identical anyway, save for red, green or blue explosions. Not that you've seen them yet, since you wouldn't have had time to see them by playing all three games two more times each since you completed it the first time on livestream. So hey, go watch all three endings on youtube. Honestly, youtube does have some good videos on there sometimes.

THIS ^ A thousand times this!

[Mitharn]

FyreSyder wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No.

[TheOptimist]

The Angry One wrote...

No.

[Mr Indivisible]

No death isn't the problem, its the insane genocidal, racist/fascist ending, and that there is really only one choice (5% difference in the ending videos does not make 3, nor 6, or 16 endings).

[Panicomatic]

This guy is a giant troll, he's making thread to stir the pot. Please let them die, his .tv doesn't need anymore exposure, which is why he's trolling in the first place.

[Luzarius]

Panicomatic wrote...

This guy is a giant troll, he's making thread to stir the pot. Please let them die, his .tv doesn't need anymore exposure, which is why he's trolling in the first place.

I'm not trolling, I'm showing people a style of play that forces the highest degree of immersion. The more immersed you are the easier it is to understand all the dialogue & story in the game.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[Lozark]

This doesn't make any sense. I'm already immersed in Mass Effect. That's part of why the ending to ME3 makes me so angry.

[zarnk567]

Luzarius all you are doing is trying get hits on your twitch.tv..... It's sad, dude.

[QuantumSheep13]

Luzurius is back on the forum? No wonder the readings from my troll detector are off the charts.

[FrozenDreamfall]

We're talking about OUR Shep not Biowares'.If you wanna play the Shep they give you and accept it good for you,but for us,for our personal Shep,that would never be accepted or justified.

[Dridengx]

Kulthar Drax wrote...
You wiped out the Geth but you had no problems with EDI flying your ship or having a body and wandering around the ship? (not that the game really gave you a choice about that)"

Why bring it up if you know we as gamers don't have a choice in that option? Sounds like you are really reaching lol

Modifié par Dridengx, 29 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[Mbednar]

Dridengx wrote...

Kulthar Drax wrote...
You wiped out the Geth but you had no problems with EDI flying your ship or having a body and wandering around the ship? (not that the game really gave you a choice about that)"

Why bring it up if you know we as gamers don't have a choice in that option? Sounds like you are really reaching lol

He's referring to the OP's condescending  view of immersion.  The OP should "feel" something if he decided to make an entire thread about how immersing yourself more will make the game better.

Secondly.

Soooo... you pulled one thing he said out of that entire "essay" (that he even admitted was a stretch) in order to flame-bait him?

His post is quite valid, he wasn't really "reaching".

[Mandemon]

Luzarius wrote...

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Ever heard of signatures? It bugs me that you keep posting that everywhere.

Also no. This is just self-imposed challenge, not "immersing" yourself into character. I will still make the same decisions, I will still make peace between Quarians and Geth, I will still save the council, I will still blow up Collector Base, I will still cure Genophage etc. How does playing game like it was Nethack help me to "understand" my character?

Modifié par Mandemon, 29 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[Reidbynature]

I've seen some stupid threads in my time here, but this takes the cake.

[Zemore]

does no one see the irony that a guy with a name so close to Lazarus is trying to get us "not to die"

Immersion is what each person makes of it I associate with my games people i know Irl Tali reminds me of a very dear freind so when i make choices i make them as if my freinds life were in that situation.
his assumption that people who dont want to conform to his ideals dont understand the plot or the ending or whatever .... is just ignorance we only understand things properly by varied veiws this allows us to see the flaws in our own ideas as well as the merits.

The Prothean empire fell because of thier ignorance.

[leewells]

Luzarius wrote...

Shepard fought as hard as possible.  In the end you were nearly bleeding out, almost dead. But you pushed on.

"A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfilment fantasy for the author or reader."....

Shepard was not a mary sue. Bioware, you are legend. You chose to push our limits.

Instead of some unrealistic ending, we were treated to an ending that challenged us to "accept our limitations" and acknowledge how powerful the reapers were. Shepard can only go so far. Shepard HAD to trust all the advanced civilizations that made the crucible. Shep had FAITH.

Then.............. The crucible connected and it worked. We got a small window to influence this powerful creation known as the catalyst. All those dead civilizations struggled and fought so they could give Shepard a what, ten to fifteen minute window?

MY CHALLENGE TO YOU:

I want you to experience the Mass Effect series as I did.

No death ruleset: If you let shepard die, you restart the game over again (3/5 people won't understand this).

ME1: Set the difficulty to casual. I want you to play through ME1 without letting your shepard die. I want you to understand how much fun it is to ensure your sheps survival.   You may think the fights will be "too easy", but let's see how you feel after 20 hours. (Brave? Set it to normal....) Start feeling what Shepard is feeling. Understand the character. 

ME2: Okay, did you beat ME1 in a no death ruleset? Ok tough guy. Now import into ME2..... Watch the intro. Upset? Yes your shep dies. You'll truly understand the start of ME2 since you played ME1 in a no death ruleset. You'll see the game in a new light. Now in ME2 set the difficulty to normal.  Now play through the entire game without letting your shep die.  I believe in you, you can do it. Just understand every dialogue option and fight as hard as you can, you will make it. I promise you. Don't let your Shepard be "indecisive". Pick a morale base and stick to it.

ME3: You beat ME2 in a no death, good job. You make me proud. Now import into ME3. Earth is doomed! You have to survive. By now you understand survival through Shepards eyes because you played ME1 & ME2 in a no death ruleset.  Now you can see ME3 in the proper light. You have to survive until the very end of the game.  ME3 is about survival & trust.  Two very basic concepts. By the end of ME3 you will only recognize two things. Survival & your shepards personality.   The catalyst will make sense, the options presented will make perfect sense. Everything will fall into place, I guarantee it. Please trust me.

Anyone can beat the game on insanity, it's childs play. But not everyone can beat the game in a no death play through...... It's a mental challenge. One that will allow you to truly understand Commander Shepard.

This style of play will allow you to enjoy the Mass Effect 3 ending. This is my gift to you. Embrace it or let your emotions take hold and rebel (like a little school girl). 

Challeng me back! I'm ready. Hit me up with your challenge. *spits on the ground*. (waits for the trolls)

I make this post with much love, please trust brother Luz.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

If you indeed believe that ending to be the actual decisions that will effect the outcome of the gallaxy, you need to go back through, on easy mode, and simply sit and watch the dialogue and take your happy pills so you can better understand it because you have missed some very important issues that were largely obious in the final scenes such as the black lines around your camera (explained by the Arachni Queen in ME2), the "voices" in the dreams explained by the codex, and the actual etheral encounter with harbinger explained by the codex's entry about "intoctrination".

There are so many things that say that ending is as false as a 3 dollar bill that it is hard for any one to take it in as being the actual ending.  In fact, most of those that "hate" the ending don't even realize it and is why they hate it so much -- it is truely inconclusive with TOO MUCH mystery.

[RocketManSR2]

Luzarius wrote...

BarrelDrago wrote...

Say if i go with the no death rule do that mean techincally that i cant go further than mass effect 2 intro?

Is shepard alive in ME2? Think bro, think. Don't troll, think before you troll.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

I think TC should follow their own advice.

[betd2]

Luzarius wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No.

This person didn't even read what I said. He/she must of skipped every dialogue option in ME.

Do not be like this person.

The angry one will forever be remembered on the internet as someone who doesn't read and comprehend and instead responds to a title. This is the type of player who won't understand the ME3 ending.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

I read it and my responce

No.

[DoktorAffentanz]

I'm so sorry for you Luzarius.. just so sorry...

[wantedman dan]

DoktorAffentanz wrote...

I'm so sorry for you Luzarius.. just so sorry...

Why?

Why did you revive this thread?

[DoktorAffentanz]

Oh, my bad....

For that I'm even more sorry.

[Jbloo]

Never.

[Trentgamer]

[GLR-0053]

Oh its him....meh.

[Dumuzii]

The Angry One wrote...

No.