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[Unit-Alpha]

'K?

That's a terrible defense. And FYI, my IQ is much higher than 90.

[win746]

Luzarius wrote...

Let's easily debunk this flawed picture. This picture proves that many mass effect players are guilty of skipping dialogue and not paying attention to theme of the Mass Effect series.

First, let me bravely show multiple flawed pictures.









Reapers only harvest advanced civilizations and leave the primitive civilizations alone. The picture does not acknowledge this, thus proving the picture is a "biased" point of view with a "negative" agenda. There is no truth in this picture, only a lack of understanding of the ME universe.

ME series is about paying attention, choosing investigate options, understanding lore, reading codex and paying attention to detail.

I have debunked this flawed image with a very simple statement.

REPEAT: Reapers only harvest advanced civilizations and leave the primitive civilizations alone.

ATTENTION: The mind of a reaper is an uploaded organic mind (if you understood legion you'd know this).

Please take the above two sentences and think on it. Don't respond to this thread out of "emotion". Take like three days to ponder what I've said with logic.

Anyone with an IQ of at least 90 should understand the above statement.   If the reapers only harvest advanced civilizations what does that mean? Think about it.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

 
Here, edcuate yourself, this is a video of why most of us hate the endings.

[IsleySilverlord]

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[Fail_Inc]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

CASE 2
(Chance of hyperintelligent synthetics destroying organic civilisation) x (infinity) = almost certain to happen

Consquence of possibility occurring: no more organic civilisations

I'm "Green Light" Shepard and I approve this consequence

[Arthorius]

Cool story bro.

[win746]

Clearly Bioware/EA had indoctrinated him.

Modifié par win746, 28 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

So Harbinger was just out of the loop?  This is important.  You can retcon anything you want but you have to deal with the consequences.  The primary one being that Harbinger and the reapers were obsessed with getitng that Human reaper built (dark energy ending)  and it couldn't have even been completed before the reapers arrived a few months later.  We call this a plothole.  If the point of reaperization is preservation than the entire plot of ME2 is rendered useless.

Harbinger was obviously referencing the other species suitability for ascension to Sovereign class.  Anyway, the plot of ME2 isn't really what's being discussed here.

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...
Not really.  What is the downside to harvesting a race 200 years earlier?  The only concerns are genetics according to the games.  

The Catalyst's criteria isn't made explicitly clear.  Certainly he got to the Protheans too late (if they hadn't finished the Conduit, there wouldn't have even been an ME2).  It's not hard to speculate that it has more complex scenario programming than you're attributing to it..

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

A. It is important to him that organic life not be wiped out by synthetic life.
B. That his solution is to reaperize them in order to preserve them.

His solution violates both of these facts.  Other solutions exist that do not.  

Incorrect.

A.  It is important that organic civilisation not be wiped out by a Singularity event.
B.  Its solution is to interrupt organic civilisations before they reach the tech level that is dangerous.

It also assigns value to preserving the civilisations, so we can assume it has a supergoal: Preserve organic civilisation.  It may well be that the supergoal was intended to prevent it executing solution B, and it developed or co-opted Reaperification technology as an unintended way to carry out B without compromising the supergoal.  That's a fairly common theme in "Rogue AI" stories.

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...
If he is shackled then by definition he is unable to alter his programming.  Yet he explicitly states that the reapers are "HIS" solution.  Not an organic race who created him and shackled him.  So he's what...a liar?  Oh those shackled AI, always making crap up.

Depends on the nature of the shackles.  If it is shackled to not attempt to improve itself then it explains why the Reapers don't seem interested or capable of evolution.

[Brahlis]

I can't believe some people gave this moron money for his streams.

[Riddic]

Apparently OP finds being harvested not dying. If you recall in ME 2 when the Collectors harvested the humans, they melted them down and turned them into gray soup. That is much better than dying, oh wait, it's the same thing.

[Baronesa]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

So Harbinger was just out of the loop?  This is important.  You can retcon anything you want but you have to deal with the consequences.  The primary one being that Harbinger and the reapers were obsessed with getitng that Human reaper built (dark energy ending)  and it couldn't have even been completed before the reapers arrived a few months later.  We call this a plothole.  If the point of reaperization is preservation than the entire plot of ME2 is rendered useless.

Harbinger was obviously referencing the other species suitability for ascension to Sovereign class.  Anyway, the plot of ME2 isn't really what's being discussed here.

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...
Not really.  What is the downside to harvesting a race 200 years earlier?  The only concerns are genetics according to the games.  

The Catalyst's criteria isn't made explicitly clear.  Certainly he got to the Protheans too late (if they hadn't finished the Conduit, there wouldn't have even been an ME2).  It's not hard to speculate that it has more complex scenario programming than you're attributing to it..

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

A. It is important to him that organic life not be wiped out by synthetic life.
B. That his solution is to reaperize them in order to preserve them.

His solution violates both of these facts.  Other solutions exist that do not.  

Incorrect.

A.  It is important that organic civilisation not be wiped out by a Singularity event.
B.  Its solution is to interrupt organic civilisations before they reach the tech level that is dangerous.

It also assigns value to preserving the civilisations, so we can assume it has a supergoal: Preserve organic civilisation.  It may well be that the supergoal was intended to prevent it executing solution B, and it developed or co-opted Reaperification technology as an unintended way to carry out B without compromising the supergoal.  That's a fairly common theme in "Rogue AI" stories.

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...
If he is shackled then by definition he is unable to alter his programming.  Yet he explicitly states that the reapers are "HIS" solution.  Not an organic race who created him and shackled him.  So he's what...a liar?  Oh those shackled AI, always making crap up.

Depends on the nature of the shackles.  If it is shackled to not attempt to improve itself then it explains why the Reapers don't seem interested or capable of evolution.

Now you have to explain why a Singulairty event is something to fear or a total disaster, when even today opinions on that are divided.

Fearing a possiblity is NOT a justification for massive scale genocide... not to mention no justification can be given for such an atrocity

[savionen]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

savionen wrote...

I'm not killing my neighbor right now. Doesn't mean that I eventually will. There's always a chance somethin will happen, but there's no guarantee that it will, because it hasn't happened yet.

Let's compare two risk cases and see if we can spot a difference

CASE 1
(Chance of you killing your neighbour) x (your short lifespan) = remote possibility

Consequences of possibility occurring: dead neighbour


CASE 2
(Chance of hyperintelligent synthetics destroying organic civilisation) x (infinity) = almost certain to happen

Consquence of possibility occurring: no more organic civilisations

The systematic destruction of all organics is just about fundamentally impossible. Synthetics could get to a point where wiping out advanced organic species is in their best interest, but then they're just doing what the reapers are doing.

But seriously, in what scenario is it in the best interest for synthetics to kill every bird, every ant, every plant, every bacteria, every protozoa in the galaxy? It's nonsense.


Either synthetics wiped out organics and GodKid made the system to prevent it in the future, but life continued or rebuild itself anyway, pointing out that the kid's logic is wrong. Or, it hasn't happened yet, and there's no proof that it will other than saying "eventually everything happens".

By the same logic that'd mean that organics eventually will permanently destroy all synthetics and never create them again. Or they will eventually evolve to where they don't need synthetics anymore.

Modifié par savionen, 28 mars 2012 - 03:04 .

[OGWS]

I don't see how can you take a meme seriously and then call other people stupid

[DanRoc]

Would you prefer the longer and less simple version then?
"I heard you don't want advanced civs to get killed by synthetic life forms so I created synthetics to kill advanced civs before they can create synthetic life forms by their own."

[CaptainZaysh]

Baronesa wrote...

Now you have to explain why a Singulairty event is something to fear or a total disaster, when even today opinions on that are divided.

Fearing a possiblity is NOT a justification for massive scale genocide... not to mention no justification can be given for such an atrocity

Now you're looking at it like a human.  An AI wouldn't instinctively know genocide is undesirable.  This is exactly why the development of a superintelligent AI that can destroy us is such an inherently high risk event: we can't predict what value if any it would assign to the continuation of our existence.

"The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else." (Eliezer Yudkowsky)

[Exile Isan]

The whole motivation of the Reapers killing and "perserving" races to prevent them from creating synthetics that would rise up and kill their creators is circular and it also makes this dialog not make any sense: 

Shepard: Why would you construct the Mass Relays and then leave them for someone else to find?
Sovereign: Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays, our technology. By using it your society develops along the paths we desire.

So why would the Reapers give organic races the tools to create AI's and then slap them down for it? It does not make sense. If the Reapers truly wanted to prevent war with synthetics then wouldn't they just destroy the Mass Relays and the Citadel? This is the same for the original Dark Energy ending as well, why give us technology that is only going to destroy us in the end? Just denying it in the first place would have prevented what they feared.

BioWare should have just made the Reapers the Borg. This would have made perfect sense in context to what Sovereign says on Virmire, the what Harbinger and the Collectors were doing on the Collector Base. They ascend us to reach, what they see as, the pinnicle of evolution. Technilogical singularity.

[Militarized]

CaptainZaysh wrote...


Then they would replace us.  Organic civilisation continues.  That's not the problem the Reapers are there to solve.

 

Yes but our civilization would be destroyed, let's assume it's a hyper intelligent organic whose culture has evolved into a parasite like society, having wasted their own world to nothing. Stephen Hawkings example is perfect. They travel from system to system, destroying any and all life in their path with their superior technology and draining all the worlds they find of resources. Hypothetically, irl, they could travel around our universe by consuming suns and creating wormholes to travel around our galaxy with. That would surely be even WORSE then the proposed singularity theory in Mass Effect. 

The whole concept from ME's perspective is to save organic civilizations... I see no difference between one organic civilization that will eventually burn it's self out destroying everyone it runs into and a synthetic that would do the same/similar. 

CaptainZaysh wrote... 

In the ME universe it's really very difficult to deny.   Consider:

1).  EDI's creators made a machine more intelligent than they are.

2).  EDI is therefore capable of making a machine more intelligent than she is.

3).  EDI's machine is therefore capable...etc

This is an explosion of intelligence.  The inevitable result is a machine that is grandly more intelligent than any organic.  Superior intelligence = dominance.

 

I don't think it is difficult to deny. 

1) Intelligence is debateable with EDI, it is evidenced through out ME3 that she misses things that Traynor picks up on and we would not have discovered without EDI and Traynor working together. EDI can process vasts amounts of data but her interpretation of that data is limited, whereas an organic mind is shown as being more "creative" but not as fast. Different types of intelligence are not accounted for in the singularity theory. 

2) Her lack of creativity based on earlier evidence could suggest otherwise, EDI herself is limited by her hardware in the Normandy. Just as we are limited by our hardware, any Synthetic will be as well. Everyone has limitations and weakness's, including AI. 

3) Think I argued my point  

CaptainZaysh wrote...  

Even if there's only a very low chance of it turning hostile (and, let's be honest, we would find it very hard to understand the motives of a superintelligent being), the chance is still there.  It's a non-zero possibility.  Given galactic timescales, all non-zero possibilites must eventually occur.

  

Technically in our timescale, the Andromer galaxy will collide with ours so there is the potential that not all non-zero possibilities will/must eventually occur. Maybe the Reapers should focus on stopping that, since you know... that'll kill both Synthetic AND organic life completely. 

CaptainZaysh wrote...  

It would be trivially easy.  Von Neumann probes with FTL drives and ortillery weapons would do fine.

For wiping out advanced organics yes but it would be impossible to go through the entire galaxy and wipe out every bit of organic life, well... that depends on what you include in the spectrum of life I suppose. It could easily kill us but there are other forms of life hypothized in the galaxy... even life living inside of a star. With that much variation, I think it goes back to my point of humans projecting their own fears and narccism onto an alien entity like an AI. We fear wiping ourselves out through our technology and express it through tech singularity, which is why I feel the whole concept is just a complex form of technophobia. 


Also, thanks for debating this with me. You're the first to really step up to the plate to argue tech singularity with me. Enjoying myself immensly. 

Modifié par Militarized, 28 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[TheScott1987]

. . . Then why only try to harvest humans while slaughtering everyone else? If they can only harvest CERTAIN advanced species and Caty still says he's ascending all advanced civilization . . .

OBVIOUSLY HUMANS ARE THE ONLY TRUE ADVANCED CIVILIZATION. Or Caty has a stupidly flawed system of Reaperification.

[mrderp27]

feeding the troll, don't do it!

[ObserverStatus]

aw sweet, a troll thread!

[Rath111]

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

It's a joke image. A meme. And here you are with your superiority complex acting all high and mighty for "debunking" it.

In fact, I'm having trouble taking you seriously. Best you come down off your high horse.

This.

God I love this turian. Smushed Udina and put him in his place.

[CaptainZaysh]

savionen wrote...

The systematic destruction of all organics is just about fundamentally impossible. Synthetics could get to a point where wiping out advanced organic species is in their best interest, but then they're just doing what the reapers are doing.

But seriously, in what scenario is it in the best interest for synthetics to kill every bird, every ant, every plant, every bacteria, every protozoa in the galaxy? It's nonsense.

That's not even the point being contended.  The fear is that they would topple organic civilisation, and make the conditions for its reappearance impossible.

savionen wrote...
Either synthetics wiped out organics and GodKid made the system to prevent it in the future, but life continued or rebuild itself anyway, pointing out that the kid's logic is wrong. Or, it hasn't happened yet, and there's no proof that it will other than saying "eventually everything happens".

But left uninterrupted for long enough, every non-zero possibility will happen.

savionen wrote...
By the same logic that'd mean that organics eventually will permanently destroy all synthetics and never create them again. Or they will eventually evolve to where they don't need synthetics anymore.

No; it's inconceivable that any attempt to stop technological advances in a certain area would be successful forever.  Eventually organics will create unshackled AIs.

Evolving past the need for robots is a possibility that would presumably be interrupted by the singularity, since past that point the synthetics start evolving much faster than organics.

[Welsh Inferno]

Its a meme for god sake. It is a SIMPLIFIED version o-..... eh... nope. No point trying to explain to a troll.

Laughter. Yes, definately the solution here.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 28 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

The OP is entitled to his opinion.

But it is an internet meme, you can not actually take internet memes seriously.

[CaptainZaysh]

Exile Isan wrote...

The whole motivation of the Reapers killing and "perserving" races to prevent them from creating synthetics that would rise up and kill their creators is circular and it also makes this dialog not make any sense: 

Shepard: Why would you construct the Mass Relays and then leave them for someone else to find?
Sovereign: Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays, our technology. By using it your society develops along the paths we desire.

So why would the Reapers give organic races the tools to create AI's and then slap them down for it? It does not make sense.

You're reading Sovereign's comment too literally.  Obviously not every invention is inspired by the relay network and the Citadel.  AIs are clearly something all organics would develop if left alone (as evidenced by the fact we're trying to build AIs right now here on Earth!).

The relay network just helps them wipe us out more easily when the time is right.

Exile Isan wrote...
If the Reapers truly wanted to prevent war with synthetics then wouldn't they just destroy the Mass Relays and the Citadel?

Wouldn't stop us building robots.  And we'd be harder to locate and invade.

[DJBare]

Luzarius wrote...
Simplified for simple minds. Thus proving me 100% correct.
Luzarius
*snip spam*

It's only a guess here my dear boy, but diplomacy has never been your strongest attribute I'm guessing?