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[BigEvil]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

Luzarius wrote...
REPEAT: Reapers only harvest advanced civilizations and leave the primitive civilizations alone.

Well, while we're 'debunking' things, if Reapers only harvest advanced civilisations then justify the harvesting of the Harvesters, which are clearly not an advanced civilisation. Also, according to the Starchild the Reapers' reason for harvesting advanced civilisations is to prevent them from creating synthetics, so why did they harvest the Rachni? The Rachni might be advanced but they don't seem to use technology and would be the least likely species to create synthetics.

Rachni have ships and stuff.

And they helped build the crucible. Smart little buggers.

Yes, Rachni have ships, but nothing we've seen indicates those ships are not organic. Look at the Rachni mission in ME3, there is no technology there other than the Reaper tech. Helping to build the crucible doesn't mean much when they are described as doing manual labor. Nothing there implies that they would ever create synthetics.

[Kanon777]

These "yo dawg" pictures annoy me too, they keep using it like its some proof is contradiction...

[ScotGaymer]

tobito113 wrote...

These "yo dawg" pictures annoy me too, they keep using it like its some proof is contradiction...

No no one does. At least not seriously.

Someone needs to learn what Satire is.

[Luzarius]

Barquiel wrote...

xxLDZxx wrote...

Pic 1 sums to 100% up what star kids says.
whats the problem?

this

I didn't see any synthetics on Thessia or Earth (except for the Reapers of course)

The star child specifically said  that the reapers "harvest advanced civilizations".

Your argument proves that you skipped dialogue.

Harvesting advanced civilizations and leaving primitive ones alone means the star child has an agenda. This concept was not reflected in the images I posted originally. Please try to understand this point of view.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[NM_Che56]

Baronesa wrote...

I got it...

Luzarius, you are just trying to tell us that for you, genocide is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Good for you, bravo...

"They are just culling" wow... yeah... that CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!

Thats what they are doing.

Do u have another theory?  Why do other races that are not as advanced get spared?

Modifié par Master Che, 28 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[Renew81]

Or you just see it that way , i see it as humor nothing more
no need to over analyze anything.

[jb1983]

Luzarius wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

We know, the pictures are a simplified image to express displeasure at the endings. End.

Simplified for simple minds. Thus proving me 100% correct.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

http://blog.ted.com/...urray_gellmann/ 

Mind you, this is to counter your "simplified for simple minds" jab. Which is out of place, and uneccesary. 

Can you give me a summary of your primary points from this thread?

I have a feeling if I devote the next two weeks to understanding the ted arguments they may prove that you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just posting a random link to make yourself look smarter.

If I were you. I would usually point out a few primary arguments, then simplify them so they can reach a wider audience quickly. Hence you'll be able to get your point across quicker.  Life is about getting your thoughts across quickly, surely you know this.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

If I were you (comma, not period), I would use proper grammar and spelling before criticizing people's intelligence. 

[RLesueur]

No guys, he's just so smart we need to take -at least three days- just to understand this.

I mean think about it, what he's saying means that all the faith we've placed in Yo Dawg Guy might be misplaced. This...this changes -everything-.

I don't think limited intellects like our own that aren't used to talking to 50-60 people at one time super fast, can possibly understand this without a few days of thought.

[BigEvil]

Luzarius wrote...

BigEvil wrote... so why did they harvest the Rachni? The Rachni might be advanced but they don't seem to use technology and would be the least likely species to create synthetics.

What did I say about typing out of emotion?

In ME3 if you accept the help of Rachni they aid in the construction of the crucible which proves them capable of understanding advanced technology. Listen man. It's all good. I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I'm genuinely trying to help people out here.

(I just hope the bioware moderators don't get mad at me for responding to threads so quickly. In my live stream channel I'm used to talking to 50-60 people at one time).

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

First of all, I'm not typing out of emotion.

Secondly they help the construction of the crucible by acting as manual labor, which does not mean they truly understand advanced technology and even if they do that doesn't prove they themselves use technology in the way other species do or that they would ever create synthetics.

[iamthedave3]

Luzarius wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

xxLDZxx wrote...

Pic 1 sums to 100% up what star kids says.
whats the problem?

this

I didn't see any synthetics on Thessia or Earth (except for the Reapers of course)

The star child specifically said  that the reapers "harvest advanced civilizations".

Your argument proves that you skipped dialogue.

Harvesting advanced civilizations and leaving primitive ones alone means the star child has an agenda. This concept was not reflected in the images I posted originally. Please try to understand this point of view.

Actually it is.

The prime image says 'you're worried about being killed by synthetics'. Does a non-advanced civilization worry about this?

Would a non-advanced civilization even know what a synthetic is? Ergo the image can't be applied to non-advanced civilizations and therefore does reflect the star child's agenda.

Try again.

Modifié par iamthedave3, 28 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[Kanon777]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Must... resist ... urge .. to .. apply ... The Catalyst... logic ... to ..real... life... instances ...to .. show how broken it is...

This is no diferent than a doctor who removes someones leg to avoid an infection. Or removes a tumor to avoid killing the entire body with cancer. Its perfectly logical for reapers point of view. (inteligent life = tumor/infected leg)

The only problem here is that they "remove the tumors" even without complete proof that the body was damaged beyond repair . That makes them EXTREMISTS not ilogical/contradictory.

[xxLDZxx]

Master Che wrote...

When people are hurt then they lose the ability to think critically.


We hear this all the time: we hunt deer so the population stays healthy and doesn't get out of control.

Your forgot to write that some one/maybe you killed all the predators that would keep the population in check.
and thats why you have to keep the population in check.

[Baronesa]

Master Che wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

I got it...

Luzarius, you are just trying to tell us that for you, genocide is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Good for you, bravo...

"They are just culling" wow... yeah... that CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!

Thats what they are doing.

Do u have another theory?  Why do other races that are not as advanced get spared?

So, because they disguise genocide with different words, it is not genocide any longer? and then force you to make a choice based on their own justification?

Why they spare other civilizations? easy, so they can advance and be destroyed on the next cycle... But that only makes sense if their motif was a sort of reproduction (creating a new reaper every cycle) or because they need the resources and the advanced civilizations concentrate the needed resources on big cities etc.

If the motivation is to destroy organic civilizations before they make synthetics that would kill all organics, the whole cycle makes no sense. It is based on an unproven asumption, furthermore that asumption is shown to be WRONG during the gameplay, it contradicts what the game has SHOWN us

[jb1983]

RLesueur wrote...

No guys, he's just so smart we need to take -at least three days- just to understand this.

I mean think about it, what he's saying means that all the faith we've placed in Yo Dawg Guy might be misplaced. This...this changes -everything-.

I don't think limited intellects like our own that aren't used to talking to 50-60 people at one time super fast, can possibly understand this without a few days of thought.

Our minds can't possibly compare to his. I just wish I was smart enough to look past satire. I wish I was smart enough to forget that the title "advanced civilization" is arbitrary and subjective to the person saying it, that to people in the 1500s we are currently an advanced civilization, but to people with technology 2,000 years from now we are quite primitive. I wish I wasn't so dumb that I thought, "Space Faring civilizations" is far less arbitrary than "advanced civilizations." 

I am t3h stupid. 

[Allasae]

I think someone lacks attention.

[Xandurpein]

Luzarius wrote...

If I were you. I would usually point out a few primary arguments, then simplify them so they can reach a wider audience quickly. Hence you'll be able to get your point across quicker.  Life is about getting your thoughts across quickly, surely you know this.

So, by your logic Bioware failed in writing the ending as they obviously didn't make their point about the ending come across well, seeing that the great majority of us didn't understand it?

[Kanon777]

Baronesa wrote...

I got it...

Luzarius, you are just trying to tell us that for you, genocide is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Good for you, bravo...

"They are just culling" wow... yeah... that CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!

He dosent agree with the reapers, he chose destroy. But that dosent mean he cant understands the motives of the reapers and how it can feel logical for THEM. 

An argument dosent have to be illogical/contradictory for you to disagree with it. It can be a simple issue of moral values that the reapers dont have but you do.

[QwibQwibLover]

@Luzarius
So what? Still if the Starchild is right and logical........the hole ending is bull****.
Deus Ex HR did that Deus EX machina storytelling better.
Making almost the same f... ending like DeusEX and call it art......
fanboys..........

[BigEvil]

Tleining wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

Well, while we're 'debunking' things, if Reapers only harvest advanced civilisations then justify the harvesting of the Harvesters, which are clearly not an advanced civilisation. Also, according to the Starchild the Reapers' reason for harvesting advanced civilisations is to prevent them from creating synthetics, so why did they harvest the Rachni? The Rachni might be advanced but they don't seem to use technology and would be the least likely species to create synthetics.

uhm, the Harvesters aren't being harvested, they are being used as tools, like the Geth.
The Rachni are a Spacefaring Civilization, they have used the Mass Relays, like the Geth, they seem to be outside of what the Reapers expected. Also: Can you guarantee that the Rachni would never create Synths? No? According to Starchilds twisted Logic, that's enough to justify the Harvest.

They've been huskified and had Reaper tech added to them (unless you think they always had guns in their mouths?). Being used as tools or not, we're told repeatedly that the Reapers only take advanced civilisations and leave primative ones alone. They're breaking their own rules and showing that their logic is deeply flawed.

As for the Rachni being a spacefaring civilisation, that means nothing. We've never seen their ships or had them described, and given the total lack of technology (apart from Reaper tech) in the Rachni mission of ME3 it seems much more likely their ships are organic. Can I guarantee that the Rachni would never create synthetics, of course not, but neither can you guarantee they would. Given what we know of the Rachni they do seem to be the least likely advanced civilisation to create them though.

[Xandurpein]

tobito113 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Must... resist ... urge .. to .. apply ... The Catalyst... logic ... to ..real... life... instances ...to .. show how broken it is...

This is no diferent than a doctor who removes someones leg to avoid an infection. Or removes a tumor to avoid killing the entire body with cancer. Its perfectly logical for reapers point of view. (inteligent life = tumor/infected leg)

The only problem here is that they "remove the tumors" even without complete proof that the body was damaged beyond repair . That makes them EXTREMISTS not ilogical/contradictory.

No, the big problem here is that the "tumors" are living, sentient beings that are being murdered.

[majormajormmajor]

NEWSFLASH

Man rebuts troll image, claims victory

[Peranor]

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

It's a joke image. A meme. And here you are with your superiority complex acting all high and mighty for "debunking" it.

In fact, I'm having trouble taking you seriously. Best you come down off your high horse.

I was about to write something like this. But then i realized im far to unintelligent to question the minds of great thinkers like Luzarius. So I decided just to quote QuantumSheep13 instead and leave it at that.

[lillitheris]

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[Titan_HQ]

Tapkomet wrote...

[Kanon777]

Xandurpein wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

If I were you. I would usually point out a few primary arguments, then simplify them so they can reach a wider audience quickly. Hence you'll be able to get your point across quicker.  Life is about getting your thoughts across quickly, surely you know this.

So, by your logic Bioware failed in writing the ending as they obviously didn't make their point about the ending come across well, seeing that the great majority of us didn't understand it?

That might be true, but thats is because they didnt realise how hard it would be for the audience to understand the concept of destroying the few (organic civilizations) to preserve the many (all life in the galaxy)