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[Persephone]

Aznable Char wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

6 in total right now . Perhaps a few more that I don't know about since my friends end up telling their friends etc

And to be clear

THIS IS NOT ME SABOTAGING ANYTHING

I never said "hey , I hate this company , join the boycott"

Yes, it is sabotaging sales. Doesn't matter how you dress it up. Be proud of it, most who do it, yet still demand more (!) sure are proud of it.

Sabotage implies disrupting a system by introducing a force outside of the system .

That's incorrect in this case .

Me telling my friends word of mouth about the game is not outside of the system , it's how game sales work . If someone asks you "oh hey , did you enjoy eating steak at Morton's at the Orange Mall" and I say "dude , no , if you want good expensive steak go to Smith and Wollensky in Las Vegas."

That's not sabotage .

Same dress, different color.

It doesn't matter.

[Transgirlgamer]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

celozzip wrote...

what a pathetic thread. are people such sheep they do everything their bitter friends tell them these days? zzzzzzzz

Nope. Just showed them this video: 
 

Wow.  I have never seen this video before and have only ever played the destroy good ending.  I knew they were all pretty much the same but....  Wow.

Having said that, I like most of the game so I still wouldn't try to convince anyone not to buy it.

[Jononarf]

absolutely none. It is up to the individual to create any ideas of how they view media entertainment. I tell people it was a fun as hell game with amazing moments, but of course, the endings do suck. then I tell them that it's 95% of the game that truly matters.

[Jjynn]

 Honestly, I feel so bad, because I actually bought one of my friends a copy of ME3 in advance.  So in essence, I pre-ordered twice.  

She really loves the series and is always talking about how her and Garrus are bros.  And now I have to tell her not to get to attached to anyone in the story.

I've told a few friends to just don't bother with the whole ME series though, because if you can't get proper closure, what's the point?

[adam32867]

told 2 the ending was the same no matter what. one decided to wait for dlc, he also droped his pre-order and decided that he will get it used on amazon for like $30. the other friend was actually planning to get me2 and 3 but also decided to wait.

[Transgirlgamer]

Jjynn wrote...

 Honestly, I feel so bad, because I actually bought one of my friends a copy of ME3 in advance.  So in essence, I pre-ordered twice.  

She really loves the series and is always talking about how her and Garrus are bros.  And now I have to tell her not to get to attached to anyone in the story.

I've told a few friends to just don't bother with the whole ME series though, because if you can't get proper closure, what's the point?

Because it's only the ending of the last game that's not brilliant maybe?  I don't know about ME1, I've not finished it yet, but ME2 can stand on it's own and most of ME3 is a good game.

[GarethJShep]

None, And who ever has should be ashamed of them self stoping people playing an awesome game

[sergeym1990]

Persephone wrote...Still kinda amazed by people who want Bioware to fix the endings telling people not to buy the game....Damaging sales reduces chances to get more content dramatically. See "Exalted March", the scrapped DAII expansion."Warning" about the endings I could understand...sort of. But actively telling people not to buy it? No.

The point is to send BioWare and EA clear message that audience is not happy. I do not thinkit lowers the chance to get new endings.

[Aznable Char]

Persephone wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

6 in total right now . Perhaps a few more that I don't know about since my friends end up telling their friends etc

And to be clear

THIS IS NOT ME SABOTAGING ANYTHING

I never said "hey , I hate this company , join the boycott"

Yes, it is sabotaging sales. Doesn't matter how you dress it up. Be proud of it, most who do it, yet still demand more (!) sure are proud of it.

Sabotage implies disrupting a system by introducing a force outside of the system .

That's incorrect in this case .

Me telling my friends word of mouth about the game is not outside of the system , it's how game sales work . If someone asks you "oh hey , did you enjoy eating steak at Morton's at the Orange Mall" and I say "dude , no , if you want good expensive steak go to Smith and Wollensky in Las Vegas."

That's not sabotage .

Same dress, different color.

It doesn't matter.

If we're talking about de facto effect , sure , but one has justification in reason and right and the other has justification in revenge and bitterness . to paint it as revenge and bitterness is the same as saying that the company deserves to be paid for a bad product . makes no logical sense .

if i eat at a place that had cockroaches and then tell my friends that they shouldn't eat there is considered sabotage , then please by all means keep painting it as such .

the truth is bioware sabotaged itself with this ending .

[Transgirlgamer]

Persephone wrote...

Still kinda amazed by people who want Bioware to fix the endings telling people not to buy the game....

Damaging sales reduces chances to get more content dramatically. See "Exalted March", the scrapped DAII expansion.

"Warning" about the endings I could understand...sort of. But actively telling people not to buy it? No.

This.

Plus isn't more players asking for more content going to have a better chance of getting it?

I can see not specifically recommending it to some extent.  But actively discouraging people from buying it is another thing for two reasons.  1) you're making it less likely that you'll get what you want.  2) Some people like the endings how do you know whoever you discourage won't be one of them?

[Moggsley]

0. I want Bioware to continue making games.

[Persephone]

Aznable Char wrote...

If we're talking about de facto effect , sure , but one has justification in reason and right and the other has justification in revenge and bitterness . to paint it as revenge and bitterness is the same as saying that the company deserves to be paid for a bad product . makes no logical sense .

if i eat at a place that had cockroaches and then tell my friends that they shouldn't eat there is considered sabotage , then please by all means keep painting it as such .

the truth is bioware sabotaged itself with this ending .

Not liking the end of a story isn't the same as cockroach infested food. One can make you sick, the other is a matter of opinion.

ME3 is not a bad product. If you think so, you've never ever played a bad game.

The truth....

Dear God....

[Persephone]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Still kinda amazed by people who want Bioware to fix the endings telling people not to buy the game....

Damaging sales reduces chances to get more content dramatically. See "Exalted March", the scrapped DAII expansion.

"Warning" about the endings I could understand...sort of. But actively telling people not to buy it? No.

This.

Plus isn't more players asking for more content going to have a better chance of getting it?

I can see not specifically recommending it to some extent.  But actively discouraging people from buying it is another thing for two reasons.  1) you're making it less likely that you'll get what you want.  2) Some people like the endings how do you know whoever you discourage won't be one of them?

Precisely.

[Dridengx]

Avissel wrote...

None, I encouraged people to buy the game because the series as a whole is still good.

hey look a fan

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Maybe I should rephrase myself. I didn't actually "prevent" anyone from getting it. I just told them the truth that the ending is essentially identical no matter what you do and invalidates every decision and hour of gameplay that comes before it which destroys all replay value if you're playing it for the story. If you don't mind that, then go ahead and get it anyway. They all chose not to get it after deciding for themselves that they didn't want to be subjected to that.

[Torrible]

sergeym1990 wrote...

Persephone wrote...Still kinda amazed by people who want Bioware to fix the endings telling people not to buy the game....Damaging sales reduces chances to get more content dramatically. See "Exalted March", the scrapped DAII expansion."Warning" about the endings I could understand...sort of. But actively telling people not to buy it? No.

The point is to send BioWare and EA clear message that audience is not happy. I do not thinkit lowers the chance to get new endings.

You deny your friends the chance to play a great game so you can come to the forums and tell Bioware that "This HURTS you." Wow.

[Torrible]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Still kinda amazed by people who want Bioware to fix the endings telling people not to buy the game....

Damaging sales reduces chances to get more content dramatically. See "Exalted March", the scrapped DAII expansion.

"Warning" about the endings I could understand...sort of. But actively telling people not to buy it? No.

This.

Plus isn't more players asking for more content going to have a better chance of getting it?

I can see not specifically recommending it to some extent.  But actively discouraging people from buying it is another thing for two reasons.  1) you're making it less likely that you'll get what you want.  2) Some people like the endings how do you know whoever you discourage won't be one of them?

Or some people may dislike the ending and still enjoy the heck out of the game.

[Persephone]

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

Maybe I should rephrase myself. I didn't actually "prevent" anyone from getting it. I just told them the truth that the ending is essentially identical no matter what you do

Except, it's not. The ANIMATION gets re-used, same as in ME2 with the base. The decisions are very different. Unless killing the Reapers, Edi & all synthetics is the same as rewriting every single DNA through synthesis or taking control of the Reapers via...uh...Control.

Modifié par Persephone, 28 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[Aznable Char]

Persephone wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

If we're talking about de facto effect , sure , but one has justification in reason and right and the other has justification in revenge and bitterness . to paint it as revenge and bitterness is the same as saying that the company deserves to be paid for a bad product . makes no logical sense .

if i eat at a place that had cockroaches and then tell my friends that they shouldn't eat there is considered sabotage , then please by all means keep painting it as such .

the truth is bioware sabotaged itself with this ending .

Not liking the end of a story isn't the same as cockroach infested food. One can make you sick, the other is a matter of opinion.

ME3 is not a bad product. If you think so, you've never ever played a bad game.

The truth....

Dear God....

Haha . Food as physical sustenance and having it poisoned at the end does make one physically sick .

ME3 as an artistic product for entertainment made me aesthetically vomit at the end .

But in all seriousness , it is a matter of opinion . That's why this isn't sabotage : i have the right to voice my opinion and recommendations to my friends and they get to decide . My friends decided that they wanted something better than what I had described and chose not to purchase it .

Interestingly , the ones most opposed to buying it after my recommendation were the ones who recommended ME1 to me in the first place . They felt the most betrayed after I had told them . The only reason those folks hadn't pre-ordered it yet or bought it yet was because at the time they were busy with lots of work .

[Flash Aron]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

3. Convinced them to wait for a fix to the ending.

Same here ... they always wait what I think about a game ...
so they are waiting !

[Persephone]

Aznable Char wrote...

Interestingly , the ones most opposed to buying it after my recommendation were the ones who recommended ME1 to me in the first place . They felt the most betrayed after I had told them . The only reason those folks hadn't pre-ordered it yet or bought it yet was because at the time they were busy with lots of work .

And that's why I prefer to form my own opinions. I would have missed out on some of my fave games otherwise. But hey, that's just me.

[TODD9999]

I wouldn't say I've prevented anyone, but I've definitely cautioned people that while some have found the ending good, the majority of the feedback is overwhelmingly negative (and I can give them a more detailed explanation of my personal reaction).

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

Got two people to buy it before I saw the ending.

[leimana]

Flash Aron wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

3. Convinced them to wait for a fix to the ending.

Same here ... they always wait what I think about a game ...
so they are waiting !

Same with 2 ppl. 1 who is new to gaming in gen, and the other my brother who just (finally!) got a new pc  that meets the req.  

Modifié par leimana, 28 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[lillitheris]

Transgirlgamer wrote...
Plus isn't more players asking for more content going to have a better chance of getting it?

No, that's nonsense. Whoever is vested in keeping things as they are will use those figures to ‘prove’ their case.

…

I wouldn't prevent anyone from buying, especially since as it's been pointed out, it's a great series up to the end.

I have tried to explain that 1) pretty much everyone is displeased with the ending (at this point, you can just take that as a fact) and 2) BioWare supposed to address this in early April.

So after my input, out of 6 people 2 have bought ME3 (one's finished and did indeed not like it), one just bought 1 & 2, one watched the youtube summaries and decided to wait, another is waiting and one just gave up (supposedly, who knows what'll happen?)