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[Habs25]

TIM may have humanity's best interests at heart, but at the expense of every other species. If he was able to control the Reapers that would still be the "evil" course of action. If TIM was "good" he would have wanted to work together with the other factions to destroy the Reapers, instead he fought his own species to try to control the Reapers! He is quite evil IMO, and if you have read the novels he does not care how racist his agents are - like Leng and the guy who tortured the Quarian.

[Enhanced]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Come on, if TIM were "Space-Hitler", would he really make half your crew in ME2 be "impure" aliens? Really?

Yes he would.  He explains why the crew was chosen on a video log during the 2nd to last mission in ME3.

Modifié par Enhanced, 28 mars 2012 - 05:46 .

[Naughty Bear]

Enhanced wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Come on, if TIM were "Space-Hitler", would he really make half your crew in ME2 be "impure" aliens? Really?

Yes he would.  He explains why the crew was chosen on a video log during the 2nd to last mission in ME3.

Only to manipulate Shepard, i thought it was a genius idea.

[Captian Cornhole]

Habs25 wrote...

TIM may have humanity's best interests at heart, but at the expense of every other species. If he was able to control the Reapers that would still be the "evil" course of action.

How is controling the Reapers evil? By that logic the Shepard is just as bad as TIM if he chooses the blue ending. 
That said though, what TIM may do after controlling the machines is entirely speculation and could verywell be evil.

[Naughty Bear]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Habs25 wrote...

TIM may have humanity's best interests at heart, but at the expense of every other species. If he was able to control the Reapers that would still be the "evil" course of action.

How is controling the Reapers evil? By that logic the Shepard is just as bad as TIM if he chooses the blue ending. 
That said though, what TIM may do after controlling the machines is entirely speculation and could verywell be evil.

I doubt he would destroy the other species, but possibly exert his dominance over them. Force them to follow and obey Humanity.

Something i don't agree with.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 28 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[AkiKishi]

TIM cares more about the concept of humanity and not so much about the humans themselves.

Possbly the best canon ending for ME3 would be control then bring Shepard back as the bad guy in ME4. People would hate it of course, but it makes for a good story.

[Naughty Bear]

BobSmith101 wrote...

TIM cares more about the concept of humanity and not so much about the humans themselves.

Possbly the best canon ending for ME3 would be control then bring Shepard back as the bad guy in ME4. People would hate it of course, but it makes for a good story.

Shepard for Cerberus! The Illusive Shepard!

[Chewin]

Who cares, he is a terrible antagonist. Or handled terribly, more like.

[Naughty Bear]

Chewin3 wrote...

Who cares, he is a terrible antagonist. Or handled terribly, more like.

It's the latter for sure. It is poor writing to make him the antagonist and make him go super evil because he was indoctrinated.

He would of made a great squad mate or off-ship ally.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 28 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[ManualReplica]

Are you seriously defending TIM and his actions?

Really?

[Chewin]

It's not just the indoctrination part that makes him terrible, but to be honest, wanting to be implanted made me go "wuut". Though he wasn't anything impressive in ME2 either.

[Naughty Bear]

ManualReplica wrote...

Are you seriously defending TIM and his actions?

Really?

What gave that away?

[Naughty Bear]

Chewin3 wrote...

It's not just the indoctrination part that makes him terrible, but to be honest, wanting to be implanted made me go "wuut". Though he wasn't anything impressive in ME2 either.

Bad writing. If Mass Effect 2 even had a decent and creative writer, he could of been decent.

[KyuzoS7]

tbh at first tim's views were great but by the time of ME3 he started to lose it.

viewing that video where he has reaper tech implanted into him the chick was afraid they might lose him... they needed his mind at 100% but the reaper tech started to take control and he lost sight of his goals.

[Farbautisonn]

Naughty Bear wrote...

ManualReplica wrote...

Are you seriously defending TIM and his actions?

Really?

What gave that away?

-I want to know too?

[Fixers0]

 Let's see:

TIM is responsible for (only in ME3):

Indoctrinating his personel.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Eden Prime.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Mars.
Attacking Alliance Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking C-sec Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking Civilians on the Citadel.
Attacking Alliance Equipment and Personel on Ontarom.
An atempt to Assasinate the Citadel Council.
Attacking The Asari homeworld of Thessia.
Attacking the Salarian homeworld of Sur'kesh.
Attacking Civilians and Alliance Personel on Benning.
Atempting to abduct studens from Grissom Academy.
Attacking Alliance Fleets in the Horse-Head Nebula.
Murdering Refugees in Unethical experiments.
Violating the CDEM and illegaly occupying parts of Tuchanka, Noveria and Sanctum.
Attempting to provoke a War between the Krogan Clans and the Turian Hierarcy.
Attempting to execute and Alliance Admiral and Lieutenant Commander. 

And so goes the list on.

And you don't call that evil, don't make me laugh. 

[What a Succulent Ass]

Enhanced wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Come on, if TIM were "Space-Hitler", would he really make half your crew in ME2 be "impure" aliens? Really?

Yes he would.  He explains why the crew was chosen on a video log during the 2nd to last mission in ME3.

I do not know why the characters reacted with such shock and dismay. The fact that TIM was doing this wasn't immediately obvious to them from day one? Are they idiots?

EDIT: Likewise for Kelly's confession that she spied on you for the Illusive Man. She is the gateway between your messages and you. Considering she works for Cerberus and that TIM's speciality is information (and that he has his tentacles in everything) why is it at all revelatory that she was reporting (or possibly blocking) your exchanges?

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 28 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[AkiKishi]

Fixers0 wrote...

 Let's see:

TIM is responsible for (only in ME3):

Indoctrinating his personel.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Eden Prime.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Mars.
Attacking Alliance Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking C-sec Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking Civilians on the Citadel.
Attacking Alliance Equipment and Personel on Ontarom.
An atempt to Assasinate the Citadel Council.
Attacking The Asari homeworld of Thessia.
Attacking the Salarian homeworld of Sur'kesh.
Attacking Civilians and Alliance Personel on Benning.
Atempting to abduct studens from Grissom Academy.
Attacking Alliance Fleets in the Horse-Head Nebula.
Murdering Refugees in Unethical experiments.
Violating the CDEM and illegaly occupying parts of Tuchanka, Noveria and Sanctum.
Attempting to provoke a War between the Krogan Clans and the Turian Hierarcy.
Attempting to execute and Alliance Admiral and Lieutenant Commander. 

And so goes the list on.

And you don't call that evil, don't make me laugh. 

That's the sort of ruthless bastard you want on your side in a war. Of course you may not want to associate with him after the war ,but thats another matter.

[Naughty Bear]

Fixers0 wrote...

 Let's see:

TIM is responsible for (only in ME3):

Indoctrinating his personel.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Eden Prime.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Mars.
Attacking Alliance Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking C-sec Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking Civilians on the Citadel.
Attacking Alliance Equipment and Personel on Ontarom.
An atempt to Assasinate the Citadel Council.
Attacking The Asari homeworld of Thessia.
Attacking the Salarian homeworld of Sur'kesh.
Attacking Civilians and Alliance Personel on Benning.
Atempting to abduct studens from Grissom Academy.
Attacking Alliance Fleets in the Horse-Head Nebula.
Murdering Refugees in Unethical experiments.
Violating the CDEM and illegaly occupying parts of Tuchanka, Noveria and Sanctum.
Attempting to provoke a War between the Krogan Clans and the Turian Hierarcy.
Attempting to execute and Alliance Admiral and Lieutenant Commander. 

And so goes the list on.

And you don't call that evil, don't make me laugh. 

He was indoctrinated himself.
Still indoctrinated.
Indoctrinated.
Indoctrinated.
Pretty much everything on thay list was because of indoctrination.

The Prothean on Thessia even said their own people wanted to control the Reapers. That's indoctrination and TIM wanted to do the same.

Try again Alliance boy.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 28 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[Farbautisonn]

Fixers0 wrote...

 Let's see:

TIM is responsible for (only in ME3):

Indoctrinating his personel.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Eden Prime.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Mars.
Attacking Alliance Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking C-sec Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking Civilians on the Citadel.
Attacking Alliance Equipment and Personel on Ontarom.
An atempt to Assasinate the Citadel Council.
Attacking The Asari homeworld of Thessia.
Attacking the Salarian homeworld of Sur'kesh.
Attacking Civilians and Alliance Personel on Benning.
Atempting to abduct studens from Grissom Academy.
Attacking Alliance Fleets in the Horse-Head Nebula.
Murdering Refugees in Unethical experiments.
Violating the CDEM and illegaly occupying parts of Tuchanka, Noveria and Sanctum.
Attempting to provoke a War between the Krogan Clans and the Turian Hierarcy.
Attempting to execute and Alliance Admiral and Lieutenant Commander. 

And so goes the list on.

And you don't call that evil, don't make me laugh. 

-Is this where we start listing current and recent historical events?

[Fixers0]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

 Let's see:

TIM is responsible for (only in ME3):

Indoctrinating his personel.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Eden Prime.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Mars.
Attacking Alliance Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking C-sec Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking Civilians on the Citadel.
Attacking Alliance Equipment and Personel on Ontarom.
An atempt to Assasinate the Citadel Council.
Attacking The Asari homeworld of Thessia.
Attacking the Salarian homeworld of Sur'kesh.
Attacking Civilians and Alliance Personel on Benning.
Atempting to abduct studens from Grissom Academy.
Attacking Alliance Fleets in the Horse-Head Nebula.
Murdering Refugees in Unethical experiments.
Violating the CDEM and illegaly occupying parts of Tuchanka, Noveria and Sanctum.
Attempting to provoke a War between the Krogan Clans and the Turian Hierarcy.
Attempting to execute and Alliance Admiral and Lieutenant Commander. 

And so goes the list on.

And you don't call that evil, don't make me laugh. 

He was indoctrinated himself.
Still indoctrinated.
Indoctrinated.
Indoctrinated.
Pretty much everything on thay list was because of indoctrination.

The Prothean on Thessia even said their own people wanted to control the Reapers. That's indoctrination and TIM wanted to do the same.

Try again Alliance boy.

Being Indoctrinated is being evil in my book.

[Chewin]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

It's not just the indoctrination part that makes him terrible, but to be honest, wanting to be implanted made me go "wuut". Though he wasn't anything impressive in ME2 either.

Bad writing. If Mass Effect 2 even had a decent and creative writer, he could of been decent.

Same could be said of a lot of things. But seriously, BW's writing has never been something to brag about, neither any of the antagonist (excluding Loghain and Architect).

[DeathScepter]

Being Indoctrinated is a form of brainwashing. So He is not morally resonspible for his actions. The Reapers were controlling him. So blame of Cerberus's actions on the Reapers' brainwashing them.

[Naughty Bear]

Fixers0 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

 Let's see:

TIM is responsible for (only in ME3):

Indoctrinating his personel.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Eden Prime.
Attacking Alliance Forces on Mars.
Attacking Alliance Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking C-sec Personel on the Citadel.
Attacking Civilians on the Citadel.
Attacking Alliance Equipment and Personel on Ontarom.
An atempt to Assasinate the Citadel Council.
Attacking The Asari homeworld of Thessia.
Attacking the Salarian homeworld of Sur'kesh.
Attacking Civilians and Alliance Personel on Benning.
Atempting to abduct studens from Grissom Academy.
Attacking Alliance Fleets in the Horse-Head Nebula.
Murdering Refugees in Unethical experiments.
Violating the CDEM and illegaly occupying parts of Tuchanka, Noveria and Sanctum.
Attempting to provoke a War between the Krogan Clans and the Turian Hierarcy.
Attempting to execute and Alliance Admiral and Lieutenant Commander. 

And so goes the list on.

And you don't call that evil, don't make me laugh. 

He was indoctrinated himself.
Still indoctrinated.
Indoctrinated.
Indoctrinated.
Pretty much everything on thay list was because of indoctrination.

The Prothean on Thessia even said their own people wanted to control the Reapers. That's indoctrination and TIM wanted to do the same.

Try again Alliance boy.

Being Indoctrinated is being evil in my book.

He was not himself, he was under the control of Reapers. He literally could not think for himself, everything the reapers wanted was correct and completely logical to him.

A indoctrinated Hanar wanted to hang over his homeworld to the Reapers because the indoctrination made him think it was the best idea.

[KyuzoS7]

only reason i liked TIM was because of his eyes....

which i stole in 3 through my playthrough