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[Melicamp]

Kitsudragon wrote...
Edit: On another note, check out Kotaku's analysis of why the ME3 ending disrespects its fanbase. I think the previously neutral or antagonistic reviewers are starting to come around...

http://kotaku.com/58...nvested-players

Good, it's about time.

I guess they realised that (as Jessica Merizan pointed out ...somewhere) usually only 10% of consumers ever actively make their opinions heard, and only 10% of them become actively involved in promoting/complaining. Given the 60k facebook likes, and the numbers taking part in polls, plus EA's recent "award", even at the most conservative estimates the disgruntled are now firmly in the majority. Alienating that many people is bad business.

I'm not visiting IGN, Gamespot, or Kotaku anymore (unless someone links) after their coverage, even if they change their stance - all they've shown me is that they base what they on how many hits they get, not the actual facts.

I recommend elder-geek.com. They actually finish games before reviewing them, and were established as a direct response to the corruption in games reviews. They're still small, so they don't get pre-release reviews out very often, but they're trustworthy and are very good at assessing games as a complete product (rather than breaking it down into graphics,sound, gameplay etc).

[Nyila]

Hah, I don't agree with the first sentence: "We should have known the conclusion would be trouble." It wouldn't have been any trouble if they had finished the game properly and not intended to make us pay more for the finished product.

It's a bit hard to forgive those gaming sites after they called us all sorts of insulting names. And they change their stance when they see which way the wind is blowing, it's pretty pooey..

On a side note, even though Forbes is supporting our cause, they're still journalists, they go where the drama is, and they benefit from our clicks too.

[SgtGlory]

I heard about elder geek earlier on facebook, looks like a decent bunch. Can't wait to see how they evolve. I think the stats from Technical Assistance Research Programs is 1 in 26 dissatisfied customers complain

[Nyila]

I subscribed to Elder Geek, clicks and subscriptions and such help those smaller sites.

[leondes1]

Two days, get your popcorn and pitchforks ready.

[Rosery99]

leondes1 wrote...

Two days, get your popcorn and pitchforks ready.

And Beavers.

[die-yng]

leondes1 wrote...

Two days, get your popcorn and pitchforks ready.

Don't forget torches, you can't have an angry mob without torches.


This whole affair has put me seriously off gaming sites, even the ones I frequented regularly.
I think I've said before, that the german gaming sites where a bit more unbiased and mainly focused on reporting the news, without taking a position, but I'm not sure I will ever trust a review or an opinion posted on one of the bigger sites again.


I'm more worried about the article where Jennifer Hale states that she has neither recorded any new stuff, nor even been told it was needed by Bioware.
I know it's not a long time anymore and we'll know, but more and more I think all they want to do is slap on some post ending explanations and be done with that.

Damn it! That isn't going to be enough for me, it just isn't.

Modifié par die-yng, 05 avril 2012 - 11:02 .

[SgtGlory]

http://www.forbes.co...-with-free-dlc/

Forbes on top of things as usual. Will be interesting to see how this develops.

Modifié par SgtGlory, 05 avril 2012 - 02:29 .

[die-yng]

I'm not exactly on the same page with Forbes here.
From the beginning of Retake ME most of us were clearly stating that they want the multiple endings advertised by Bioware prior to the game's release.

If this new Extented cut offers nothing new, but only the same crap wiht a little bit of cream smeared on top... I don't think that will go well with most of us, what do you guys think.

I know that I won't be satisifed with it. The ending is broken, there needs to be an option that Shepard would seriously consider.

No, Bioware just slapping a few new CGI's onto the ending as it is, won't cut it, I believe that most of us will go on if that's the case.

They may call me whiny and entitled then, but the ending needs to be fixed, not clarified. We'll see what the DLC will bring, but EA and Bioware better not think they get any of my money until the free DLC is released.

Modifié par die-yng, 05 avril 2012 - 03:38 .

[SgtGlory]

I'm in the "wait and see" camp. Even If I can't have my Shep put his boot in Starchild's smug holographic face, I still think we'll get at least something satisfying. Until it's on my hard drive my butt's planted firmly on the line.

[die-yng]

SgtGlory wrote...

I'm in the "wait and see" camp. Even If I can't have my Shep put his boot in Starchild's smug holographic face, I still think we'll get at least something satisfying. Until it's on my hard drive my butt's planted firmly on the line.

Ah, well. I guess I can agree with that, although the wording of BW's press releases is a torture on it's own.

[leondes1]

I just want to see indoctrination be real. If it is, celebration.

Beware Bioware, no way we can control the rage that will be released if u mess this up.

Come on Friday!

[die-yng]

leondes1 wrote...

I just want to see indoctrination be real. If it is, celebration.

Beware Bioware, no way we can control the rage that will be released if u mess this up.

Come on Friday!

Personally I hate the idea that Shepard is indoctrinated, to me it would make more sense to say that the moronic starchild influences him/ her, so that Shep actually accepts that those three choices are all that are available to him.

So, influenced, not controlled.

Personally I do want clarification, yes. I want to know what happens with the glactic races, whether the ME Relays destroyed everything, How your squadmates and even Shepard (if alive) continue.
I would like to know whether really everybody we knew on the citadel died (including Kelly, Bailey, the council and even Ashley's sister, the poor girl waiting for her parents...).

Yes, I would like a lot of things clarified, but there are things in the ending that don't work and if they stay, then the ending can't work.

And as it is, one of the main problems with the ending most people had, was that your choices don't matter. Simply clarifying the existing ending will not solve this.

I hope they go into detail what we can expect of the DLC at pax, because the wait is making me totally edgy and grumpy.

[Rosery99]

SgtGlory wrote...

I'm in the "wait and see" camp. Even If I can't have my Shep put his boot in Starchild's smug holographic face, I still think we'll get at least something satisfying. Until it's on my hard drive my butt's planted firmly on the line.

I am of this mind set more or less. I will wait and I will see what this ending has to offer, I will remain with you, my Comrades, within the line. If when the time comes the ending is still the same pile of tripe they tried to force down our throats before, I will rally who I can and raise a hell storm the likes of which Bioware can't have nightmares about. Here's hoping they don't do that. Also it looks like we won't know what it is until Summer, which sucks but if there taking 3 months to do it, it better be quite a bit of work.

However as Paul on Forbes mentioned, lets not jump to any conclusions, this is a victory, THE victory we sought. We wanted them to add-on and change the endings, well that is what they are doing now. They have given us a concession and so we must admit that they have done this, they listened to us. Now granted we had to scream so loud and put tens of thousands of dollars into it, but they did listen, we had to hurt EA's stock prices, but they did listen to us.  

So. Bioware.

Thank you. While we are hesistant to celebrate, know that by listening to us, no matter how loud we had to be, you have at least given us the chance to love you again. Just...don't waste it...and don't do this crap again. Thanks.

Holding The Line,
~R

Modifié par Rosery99, 05 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[Nyila]

I hate to be the pessimistic one, but even if this DLC isn't satisfying, we're not getting anything else, no matter how much of a hell storm we raise.

This DLC will probably be what the fans base their future purchases with Bioware on, so I hope they're taking that point into account at least..

I'm not holding my breath, but at least now I can stop living on the forums.. Until summer..

[die-yng]

Nyila wrote...

I hate to be the pessimistic one, but even if this DLC isn't satisfying, we're not getting anything else, no matter how much of a hell storm we raise.

This DLC will probably be what the fans base their future purchases with Bioware on, so I hope they're taking that point into account at least..

I'm not holding my breath, but at least now I can stop living on the forums.. Until summer..

You are probably right, but with both points, BW really should think about wwhat they put in this DLC, it may be motivation for many people to either stay a fan or forego their products completely.

[Nyila]

I don't know if she knows as much as she claims, but I sure hope this is true.

Modifié par Nyila, 05 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[die-yng]

That would be so great.
Ms. Merizan seems to be on the level most of the time (if she has the option, that is), from what I know I don't think she would be one to brag without substance.

[leondes1]

I should have gotten the popcorn out early........

Well, that's the end of bioware for me.

http://social.biowar.../index/11021009

[Nyila]

Makes sense they talked about it before PAX, it calms people down, it gives fans questions to ask instead of just attacking. There was too much at stake to just announce it all at PAX. But they still have other stuff to announce, Mike Gamble said that Director's Cut is one thing, and there's more.

Their description of the DLC is still pretty vague, it might be good, who knows? Another 2 or 3 months to wait and we'll know for sure.

[leondes1]

Nyila wrote...

Makes sense they talked about it before PAX, it calms people down, it gives fans questions to ask instead of just attacking. There was too much at stake to just announce it all at PAX. But they still have other stuff to announce, Mike Gamble said that Director's Cut is one thing, and there's more.

Their description of the DLC is still pretty vague, it might be good, who knows? Another 2 or 3 months to wait and we'll know for sure.

Oh I wouldn't say they have calmed down.

All the statement says to me is it is what it is and we will try to explain it. 

[SgtGlory]

leondes1 wrote...

I should have gotten the popcorn out early........

Well, that's the end of bioware for me.

http://social.biowar.../index/11021009

Stick with us 'till we see it Leondes, it may not wind up being as horrid 
as people think, and it'd be a shame to not at least give them the chance 
to show us what they can do. 
We may be surprised. I'm at least going to 
look at their offering. before declaring victory or defeat.

Remember the demands of PR-speak mean 
they can't be seen to be apologizing or admitting wrong-doing in any way, 
so a statement like that may seem like a slap, but its the proscribed spiel that
has to be extruded. Gotta look beyond that.

Have a little faith : )
 

Modifié par SgtGlory, 05 avril 2012 - 07:31 .

[Nyila]

She's definitely too nice, and her tweet about Shepard surviving in the red ending with high EMS is already true in the current ending, although it makes no difference for someone like me who doesn't play multiplayer, I can never have a high enough EMS.. Unless I use the save editor and make Diana Allers give me 5000 points!

Modifié par Nyila, 05 avril 2012 - 07:28 .

[leondes1]

After reading this

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise

My faith is about at 0. I won't rage, I am just deeply disappointed. They clearly just don't get it. I'm honestly at the point that if I had a physical copy I'd burn it and post it.

I'm just going to walk away. Need a break.

[die-yng]

This has me going up and down ny the minute.
One moment I feel like it's over and done with, the next moment I tell myself what SgtGlory wrote, that PR speech is all about keeping the face and then parts of what's being posted on twitter sounds promising.

I do hope they clarify this during PAX, at least explain in which direction they are taking this and I wish that they would just announce that the Normandy's flight is gone from the ending or was a hallucination Shep suffered from.