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[die-yng]

DrowVampyre wrote...

Here's the thing - they told us what it won't contain. New endings. Which is the only thing that can fix this. No amount of clarification or extension will make this RGB crap palatable.

I say it's high time to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. If we wait until this DLC is finished, then see how horrible it is, that will be too late. No way in hell will they try a second do-over. Right now, we have a tiny, tiny chance to make them reconsider...to show them that up to this point, we've been nice, we've been playing things fully paragon if you will.

Now it's time to show them our wrath. Not just us, everyone who hated this crap. Rise up, and hit them hard. Demonstrate to them that they do not want to be on our bad side, and that they cannot survive as a company if we turn on them.

I think that would really be the wrong way to go about this. Not only do we not know if our wrath is justified, no it would certainly cost us every little bit of goodwill we have generated in the public opinion and that would make everything even harder,

I do really understand it, if you are angry, I am as well, but don't let that fury dictate your actions.

[DrowVampyre]

They already said it won't be new endings, though. That's simply not going to work, and waiting to see what happens means they've spent their very last chance on that, instead of being (metaphorically) smacked across the face and told "no, do it right".

[die-yng]

SgtGlory wrote...

 I believe it's an olive branch because they could just as easily have said they are not going to do anything. They are going to sit down and actually work on something which they are going to give away. That's like a stab to the heart when it comes to EA. And that's more than they would have done had we not existed and had Retake not been founded. Whether that turns out to be a footlong t*rd sub or a footlong tolerable one remains to be seen. Everything that comes out of the "official channels" is total PR speak in which they cannot be seen to "cave" or admit "defeat". 

Until I see exactly what comes I'm not giving up on a better ending. If it's to my satisfaction, then fine that's that chapter closed but a new one for retake. If it turns out horrible, well then I'm done with BW simple as that. finito, no more.
I agree the pressure can't be let up for one second until it's done. It's too easy to forget or become complacent - but development of something like this doesn't happen overnight - the fact that several months time has been committed can mean either a wait-it-out attempt or a real honest attempt to make something worthwhile. 

This.

[DrowVampyre]

die-yng wrote...

I think that would really be the wrong way to go about this. Not only do we not know if our wrath is justified, no it would certainly cost us every little bit of goodwill we have generated in the public opinion and that would make everything even harder,

I do really understand it, if you are angry, I am as well, but don't let that fury dictate your actions.

Oh no, angry I am, but it's the cold sort of angry. I don't care about goodwill anymore. Bioware has made it clear they're not giving us what we want with today's announcement. If we hit them hard enough, then maybe, maybe they'll change their tune and fix it...more likely, they still won't.

And at this point...fine. At this point, I'd like almost as much to see an announcement from EA that, in light of recent developments, Bioware has been closed (and hopefully all of the decision makers, for the endings and the handling of the backlash, blackballed from the industry). Because if we're not getting the endings we were promised, I want every other developer looking at this, for years to come, with a cold sweat if they even think of trying something similar.

[vics20]

SgtGlory wrote...

 I believe it's an olive branch because they could just as easily have said they are not going to do anything. They are going to sit down and actually work on something which they are going to give away. That's like a stab to the heart when it comes to EA. And that's more than they would have done had we not existed and had Retake not been founded. Whether that turns out to be a footlong t*rd sub or a footlong tolerable one remains to be seen. Everything that comes out of the "official channels" is total PR speak in which they cannot be seen to "cave" or admit "defeat". 

Until I see exactly what comes I'm not giving up on a better ending. If it's to my satisfaction, then fine that's that chapter closed but a new one for retake. If it turns out horrible, well then I'm done with BW simple as that. finito, no more.
I agree the pressure can't be let up for one second until it's done. It's too easy to forget or become complacent - but development of something like this doesn't happen overnight - the fact that several months time has been committed can mean either a wait-it-out attempt or a real honest attempt to make something worthwhile. 

Let me fill you in. The decision to release free DLC was purely a business decision. It wasn't from the kindness of their hearts. Bioware is not Valve or CDProjectRed where they're independent and don't have to answer to corporate suits. 

Free DLC is coming our way only because a bunch of analysts at EA think they could lose more money by NOT doing this or they could make more money with a "free dlc to maintain fanbase" strategy. 

Sure, it sounds jaded but this is how a corporation works. Its easy to forget how these games are even financed. 

[SgtGlory]

Rosery99 wrote...

I agree with Die, slightly, wait for this to be released. But stay here, stay in contact! It might be a little soon to cry havoc but...if they follow current trends, it may not be uncalled for entirely, however be assured if the time does come to cry havoc. I will be the one crying it first and foremost.

If there's a good reason to cry havok I have no problem letting the dogs slip. Just want to know it's not a pre-emptive strike (ie, the offering is not horrible) that's all.

[ofish]

DrowVampyre wrote...

Oh no, angry I am, but it's the cold sort of angry. I don't care about goodwill anymore. Bioware has made it clear they're not giving us what we want with today's announcement. If we hit them hard enough, then maybe, maybe they'll change their tune and fix it...more likely, they still won't.

And at this point...fine. At this point, I'd like almost as much to see an announcement from EA that, in light of recent developments, Bioware has been closed (and hopefully all of the decision makers, for the endings and the handling of the backlash, blackballed from the industry). Because if we're not getting the endings we were promised, I want every other developer looking at this, for years to come, with a cold sweat if they even think of trying something similar.

If you were in charge next week we'd have our new endings!

[Nyila]

DrowVampyre wrote...

I say it's high time to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. If we wait until this DLC is finished, then see how horrible it is, that will be too late. No way in hell will they try a second do-over. Right now, we have a tiny, tiny chance to make them reconsider...to show them that up to this point, we've been nice, we've been playing things fully paragon if you will.

Now it's time to show them our wrath. Not just us, everyone who hated this crap. Rise up, and hit them hard. Demonstrate to them that they do not want to be on our bad side, and that they cannot survive as a company if we turn on them.

I don't see how attacking them now will make them want to present us with the best DLC content possible..

[SgtGlory]

vics20 wrote...

Free DLC is coming our way only because a bunch of analysts at EA think they could lose more money by NOT doing this or they could make more money with a "free dlc to maintain fanbase" strategy. 

Sure, it sounds jaded but this is how a corporation works. Its easy to forget how these games are even financed. 

Exactly, and it's in their best interest to provide what we want, or that effort they expend will make
them no profit, seeing as how they will lose every customer that despises it and be hit with the bad press from 
it's failure.

I don't believe they can be that stupid, and if they are, they may pay dearly.

[Nyila]

vics20 wrote...

Let me fill you in. The decision to release free DLC was purely a business decision. It wasn't from the kindness of their hearts. Bioware is not Valve or CDProjectRed where they're independent and don't have to answer to corporate suits. 

Free DLC is coming our way only because a bunch of analysts at EA think they could lose more money by NOT doing this or they could make more money with a "free dlc to maintain fanbase" strategy. 

Sure, it sounds jaded but this is how a corporation works. Its easy to forget how these games are even financed. 

That is true. If this DLC is satisfying, it's likely people will purchase the future ME3 DLCs that are planned, like Omega and whatnot.

[DrowVampyre]

ofish wrote...

If you were in charge next week we'd have our new endings!

Oh...I doubt that. I freely admit that, in all likelihood, this is the best we're going to get. But I believe that the only chance we have of getting something better is to reject this "olive branch"...and to do so vehemently. Not calmly, not civilly, not patiently...we need to show them that this is an insult, and we take it as such. That nothing short of an outright apology and full-effort into fixing this will satisfy us, and that if they're not willing to do that, well, we are willing to see them destroyed before we'll accept this.

Nyila wrote..

I don't see how attacking them now will make them want to present us with the best DLC content possible.. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

 


Want to? Oh, it won't. What it may, maaaaaaaaaaybe do is show them that we have a financial gun to their company's head, and if they don't deliver, we're all too willing to put them down.

Modifié par DrowVampyre, 06 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[leondes1]

vics20 wrote...

SgtGlory wrote...

 I believe it's an olive branch because they could just as easily have said they are not going to do anything. They are going to sit down and actually work on something which they are going to give away. That's like a stab to the heart when it comes to EA. And that's more than they would have done had we not existed and had Retake not been founded. Whether that turns out to be a footlong t*rd sub or a footlong tolerable one remains to be seen. Everything that comes out of the "official channels" is total PR speak in which they cannot be seen to "cave" or admit "defeat". 

Until I see exactly what comes I'm not giving up on a better ending. If it's to my satisfaction, then fine that's that chapter closed but a new one for retake. If it turns out horrible, well then I'm done with BW simple as that. finito, no more.
I agree the pressure can't be let up for one second until it's done. It's too easy to forget or become complacent - but development of something like this doesn't happen overnight - the fact that several months time has been committed can mean either a wait-it-out attempt or a real honest attempt to make something worthwhile. 

Let me fill you in. The decision to release free DLC was purely a business decision. It wasn't from the kindness of their hearts. Bioware is not Valve or CDProjectRed where they're independent and don't have to answer to corporate suits. 

Free DLC is coming our way only because a bunch of analysts at EA think they could lose more money by NOT doing this or they could make more money with a "free dlc to maintain fanbase" strategy. 

Sure, it sounds jaded but this is how a corporation works. Its easy to forget how these games are even financed. 

Jaded? Not at all, that is how the corporate world works, money money money first. Its too much of a risk for them to not let it be free. 

Bioware has been lost to EA, no other way to say it now, its how I feel. They, EA and Bioware, have a huge pr problem right now so remember this, keep up the pressure but if you can help it, do not turn into raging nuts. That will only HELP their pr, they want you to do that so they can twist it.

More tomorrow, way too tired tonight to keep going.

[Rosery99]

DrowVampyre wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I think that would really be the wrong way to go about this. Not only do we not know if our wrath is justified, no it would certainly cost us every little bit of goodwill we have generated in the public opinion and that would make everything even harder,

I do really understand it, if you are angry, I am as well, but don't let that fury dictate your actions.

Oh no, angry I am, but it's the cold sort of angry. I don't care about goodwill anymore. Bioware has made it clear they're not giving us what we want with today's announcement. If we hit them hard enough, then maybe, maybe they'll change their tune and fix it...more likely, they still won't.

And at this point...fine. At this point, I'd like almost as much to see an announcement from EA that, in light of recent developments, Bioware has been closed (and hopefully all of the decision makers, for the endings and the handling of the backlash, blackballed from the industry). Because if we're not getting the endings we were promised, I want every other developer looking at this, for years to come, with a cold sweat if they even think of trying something similar.

This is why I am not crying havok just yet, look if were going to have any impact here at all, we need public opinion on OUR side, that's how we made it this far by justified and reasonable reporters giving the true scoop on what we were doing here. We lose that PR edge and EA can bury us under so much negative PR nothing we ever say will matter. Gamers will be seen as even more of a lesser class of person than ever before and that is exactly what I don't want. If or When I cry Havok, it will be to carry forth a new era, I will lead a charge to show companies everywhere that this **** won't fly. But right now WE HAVE to be patient. It sucks. But we need to think, come up with a strategy. They'll release news and little tidbits about this DLC and we can pick and choose what we want to believe or not. But going all rampagey right now won't serve us. Just...focus on the art for now guys.

[DrowVampyre]

Rosery99 wrote...

DrowVampyre wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I think that would really be the wrong way to go about this. Not only do we not know if our wrath is justified, no it would certainly cost us every little bit of goodwill we have generated in the public opinion and that would make everything even harder,

I do really understand it, if you are angry, I am as well, but don't let that fury dictate your actions.

Oh no, angry I am, but it's the cold sort of angry. I don't care about goodwill anymore. Bioware has made it clear they're not giving us what we want with today's announcement. If we hit them hard enough, then maybe, maybe they'll change their tune and fix it...more likely, they still won't.

And at this point...fine. At this point, I'd like almost as much to see an announcement from EA that, in light of recent developments, Bioware has been closed (and hopefully all of the decision makers, for the endings and the handling of the backlash, blackballed from the industry). Because if we're not getting the endings we were promised, I want every other developer looking at this, for years to come, with a cold sweat if they even think of trying something similar.

This is why I am not crying havok just yet, look if were going to have any impact here at all, we need public opinion on OUR side, that's how we made it this far by justified and reasonable reporters giving the true scoop on what we were doing here. We lose that PR edge and EA can bury us under so much negative PR nothing we ever say will matter. Gamers will be seen as even more of a lesser class of person than ever before and that is exactly what I don't want. If or When I cry Havok, it will be to carry forth a new era, I will lead a charge to show companies everywhere that this **** won't fly. But right now WE HAVE to be patient. It sucks. But we need to think, come up with a strategy. They'll release news and little tidbits about this DLC and we can pick and choose what we want to believe or not. But going all rampagey right now won't serve us. Just...focus on the art for now guys.

How does being patient help us though? Waiting to see what they do now means they're gonna do just what they said. And it's going to suck, because this ending isn't salvageable. Let gamers be seen as whatever people want to see us as - we got media attention, but now we need to hurt them anbd show them that this travesty of an ending, this insult, is absolutely unacceptable, expanded or no. 

[Rosery99]

DrowVampyre wrote...

Rosery99 wrote...

DrowVampyre wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I think that would really be the wrong way to go about this. Not only do we not know if our wrath is justified, no it would certainly cost us every little bit of goodwill we have generated in the public opinion and that would make everything even harder,

I do really understand it, if you are angry, I am as well, but don't let that fury dictate your actions.

Oh no, angry I am, but it's the cold sort of angry. I don't care about goodwill anymore. Bioware has made it clear they're not giving us what we want with today's announcement. If we hit them hard enough, then maybe, maybe they'll change their tune and fix it...more likely, they still won't.

And at this point...fine. At this point, I'd like almost as much to see an announcement from EA that, in light of recent developments, Bioware has been closed (and hopefully all of the decision makers, for the endings and the handling of the backlash, blackballed from the industry). Because if we're not getting the endings we were promised, I want every other developer looking at this, for years to come, with a cold sweat if they even think of trying something similar.

This is why I am not crying havok just yet, look if were going to have any impact here at all, we need public opinion on OUR side, that's how we made it this far by justified and reasonable reporters giving the true scoop on what we were doing here. We lose that PR edge and EA can bury us under so much negative PR nothing we ever say will matter. Gamers will be seen as even more of a lesser class of person than ever before and that is exactly what I don't want. If or When I cry Havok, it will be to carry forth a new era, I will lead a charge to show companies everywhere that this **** won't fly. But right now WE HAVE to be patient. It sucks. But we need to think, come up with a strategy. They'll release news and little tidbits about this DLC and we can pick and choose what we want to believe or not. But going all rampagey right now won't serve us. Just...focus on the art for now guys.

How does being patient help us though? Waiting to see what they do now means they're gonna do just what they said. And it's going to suck, because this ending isn't salvageable. Let gamers be seen as whatever people want to see us as - we got media attention, but now we need to hurt them anbd show them that this travesty of an ending, this insult, is absolutely unacceptable, expanded or no. 

As of right now we have no proof, nothing to say that the DLC won't be amazing and utterly answer all our questions and give us an ending we absolutely want, I mean aside common sense but when has that EVER had a hand in the world? If we wait and it comes out and when it sucks, we raise holy hell. With public support.

[DrowVampyre]

Rosery99 wrote...

DrowVampyre wrote...

Rosery99 wrote...

DrowVampyre wrote...

die-yng wrote...

I think that would really be the wrong way to go about this. Not only do we not know if our wrath is justified, no it would certainly cost us every little bit of goodwill we have generated in the public opinion and that would make everything even harder,

I do really understand it, if you are angry, I am as well, but don't let that fury dictate your actions.

Oh no, angry I am, but it's the cold sort of angry. I don't care about goodwill anymore. Bioware has made it clear they're not giving us what we want with today's announcement. If we hit them hard enough, then maybe, maybe they'll change their tune and fix it...more likely, they still won't.

And at this point...fine. At this point, I'd like almost as much to see an announcement from EA that, in light of recent developments, Bioware has been closed (and hopefully all of the decision makers, for the endings and the handling of the backlash, blackballed from the industry). Because if we're not getting the endings we were promised, I want every other developer looking at this, for years to come, with a cold sweat if they even think of trying something similar.

This is why I am not crying havok just yet, look if were going to have any impact here at all, we need public opinion on OUR side, that's how we made it this far by justified and reasonable reporters giving the true scoop on what we were doing here. We lose that PR edge and EA can bury us under so much negative PR nothing we ever say will matter. Gamers will be seen as even more of a lesser class of person than ever before and that is exactly what I don't want. If or When I cry Havok, it will be to carry forth a new era, I will lead a charge to show companies everywhere that this **** won't fly. But right now WE HAVE to be patient. It sucks. But we need to think, come up with a strategy. They'll release news and little tidbits about this DLC and we can pick and choose what we want to believe or not. But going all rampagey right now won't serve us. Just...focus on the art for now guys.

How does being patient help us though? Waiting to see what they do now means they're gonna do just what they said. And it's going to suck, because this ending isn't salvageable. Let gamers be seen as whatever people want to see us as - we got media attention, but now we need to hurt them anbd show them that this travesty of an ending, this insult, is absolutely unacceptable, expanded or no. 

As of right now we have no proof, nothing to say that the DLC won't be amazing and utterly answer all our questions and give us an ending we absolutely want, I mean aside common sense but when has that EVER had a hand in the world? If we wait and it comes out and when it sucks, we raise holy hell. With public support.

We do have proof though:

"Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future? No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned."

That's proof. No matter what they do, if they stick to that, it won't matter - it will still suck, and still be intolerable. And if we wait for them to make their extended turn sandwich ending, and then raise hell, then it's too late to do anything except tear Bioware to the ground.

Which I'm totally fine with, by the way, but I'd still rather they pull their heads out of their collective rears and fix it. Slightly. It's getting more with each insulting press release to where I'd as soon see them brought down.

[die-yng]

You do realize of course, that this statement leaves the possibility open, that this was all just an indoctrination attempt?
They could very well turn it into this and then continue from that point and basically give as a new ending.

And there are other ways how you could keep what's there now, but give it adifferent spin, give it a twist.
That way BW gets to keep whatever facethey have left and we'd still get what we want.

I'm not saying that is the way it's gonna be, all I'm saying is:
WE DON'T KNOW YET, WHAT WILL BE IN THE DLC!

Until we know at least a bit about what will,be done, what good is it to rant like this?
Seriously, cold fury... No offense, but you sound more like a child beating his fists on the ground right now.

Everytime one of us goes too far in his accussations and his demands, it portrays us all in a negative way.

And to be honest, at this point I wouldn't even know how we could hurt EA or BW, so far they have released no other content and there's no new BW game release on the horizon, so we can't vote with our wallets and even Forbes (Our staunchest supporter in the press) won't support us anymore, if we continue to protest now.

Modifié par die-yng, 06 avril 2012 - 10:48 .

[Rosery99]

Well there are...ways Die but as I said I am waiting on the DLC to come out and Drow he raises some very good points, it's true they said they are not making any new endings, however that could mean they simply aren't making any new playable endings. Yet the PR statement conflicts with a statement Jessica Merizan said mere hours later, I urge you to be patient, I know this is frustrating but go make some more awesome posters, it'll help relax you. Remember we are all on the same side here. Let us wait and see what comes of all this, for now we will contiune to hold the line together, discuss and form intivatives that keep us busy until more information on the DLC is released. And I emphasize more information on it is released, not that it is released. If I see information that it's going to be a 10 second Cinematic with a text blurb, well yea. But lets wait...Bioware still has good writers left, 99.5% of the game proved that, give them a chance. We can't decide a PR statement as the feelings of the entire company. The writing staff could be going, "Well gee...we really upset them, how can we fix this while not getting fired?" Now we hold for the long haul. Don't let in fighting begin now, don't let them all be right about us.

Also Drow if we contiune to attack them on the premis that the DLC isn't what we want, a lot of people could say that we are just being impatient and spoiled. If we lose what public support we have, EA can and will ignore us. We have done honest to god damage to the EA stocks in the range of almost 3 dollars. In about three weeks, pretty massive. This was done because of all our hard work and our media allies, who got our message out. It also got EA voted the worst company in America, if we lose that support well yea.

Holding The Line, Now,Tommorow,Until we win.
~Rosery

Modifié par Rosery99, 06 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[Nyila]

die-yng wrote...

You do realize of course, that this statement leaves the possibility open, that this was all just an indoctrination attempt?
They could very well turn it into this and then continue from that point and basically give as a new ending.

And there are other ways how you could keep what's there now, but give it adifferent spin, give it a twist.
That way BW gets to keep whatever facethey have left and we'd still get what we want.

I'm not saying that is the way it's gonna be, all I'm saying is:
WE DON'T KNOW YET, WHAT WILL BE IN THE DLC!

Until we know at least a bit about what will,be done, what good is it to rant like this?

Everytime one of us goes too far in his accussations and his demands, it portrays us all in a negative way.

And to be honest, at this point I wouldn't even know how we could hurt EA or BW, so far they have released no other content and there's no new BW game release on the horizon, so we can't vote with our wallets and even Forbes (Our staunchest supporter in the press) won't support us anymore, if we continue to protest now.

I'm of a mind with this individual.

Their statement was vague and the additional content could be anything.

[die-yng]

Sorry, if my comment went too far, I didn't mean to insult anybody and I certainly don't want to start infighting.

Nyila wrote...
I'm of a mind with this individual. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Their statement was vague and the additional content could be anything.

Nyila, this individuum thanks your individuum for being of a mind with him.
This individuum needs all the support he can get!

Maker knows it's hard enough trying to be this individuum all the time.
Being this individuum is a cumbersome tiring effort sometimes.

Edit: Is is in any way important that there are no Jacob or Thane in your sig?

Modifié par die-yng, 06 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[leondes1]

Keep up the pressure everyone. I know some of you may not care about this one, but we are getting the new multiplayer stuff for free. You know it would not have been free otherwise.

http://blog.bioware....esurgence-pack/

Keep it up people, they know they are hurting badly and that this is not going away. We are just getting stronger every day.

Until we know what this ending DLC is going to be like, keep it up. Try to be civil, but, the renegade in me simply says if you call for blood, don't get banned

Keep up the good work everyone. I have work early, got called in so I won't be around.

[Nyila]

I don't know, them giving away more DLC for free isn't a show of good faith, it could mean the content is inferior to what it could have been otherwise.

die-yng wrote...

Edit: Is is in any way important that there are no Jacob or Thane in your sig?

The truth is, I stole that signature from someone else because I'm too lazy to Photoshop my own.. Jack is the only one I really care about, but I also like the other characters, and Morinth definitely got the short end of the stick, I was hoping to meet her at the monastery like Samara, but no.. I'd add Thane on the signature, but I think he had a good death. In fact, there are so many characters from ME1 and ME2 that deserve better that I'd need a signature with all their faces on it, but that's too much work..

I was ok with Jacob in ME2, except I've never been a fan of his tight suit, always thought it was pretty ridiculous, a man doesn't need to be in tight pants to be sexy, Shepard's armor is sexier than Jacob's clothing.. I didn't like Jacob's character in ME3 at all. And I know it was Bioware's artistic choice to make Jacob have a baby with another woman, even after entering a relationship with femshep, but it was a bad choice, it only leaves one heterosexual option for femshep in ME3.

I prefer playing as renegade male Shep anyway, I love Meer's voice, I hope they don't just reunite Shep with the ME3 crew, but also the surviving ME2 crew.

And people are always complaining about Bioware's lazyness concerning Tali's face, I agree, but they were so extremely lazy with the ME2 characters that they didn't even change their damn outfits, they only removed the Cerberus logo, that's it. Well I guess Jack got a new outfit and look, but she's the only one.

Anyway, that was a wall of text that doesn't really answer your question. Satisfied?

[die-yng]

Nyila wrote...

I don't know, them giving away more DLC for free isn't a show of good faith, it could mean the content is inferior to what it could have been otherwise.

die-yng wrote...

Edit: Is is in any way important that there are no Jacob or Thane in your sig?

The truth is, I stole that signature from someone else because I'm too lazy to Photoshop my own.. Jack is the only one I really care about, but I also like the other characters, and Morinth definitely got the short end of the stick, I was hoping to meet her at the monastery like Samara, but no.. I'd add Thane on the signature, but I think he had a good death. In fact, there are so many characters from ME1 and ME2 that deserve better that I'd need a signature with all their faces on it, but that's too much work..

I was ok with Jacob in ME2, except I've never been a fan of his tight suit, always thought it was pretty ridiculous, a man doesn't need to be in tight pants to be sexy, Shepard's armor is sexier than Jacob's clothing.. I didn't like Jacob's character in ME3 at all. And I know it was Bioware's artistic choice to make Jacob have a baby with another woman, even after entering a relationship with femshep, but it was a bad choice, it only leaves one heterosexual option for femshep in ME3.

I prefer playing as renegade male Shep anyway, I love Meer's voice, I hope they don't just reunite Shep with the ME3 crew, but also the surviving ME2 crew.

And people are always complaining about Bioware's lazyness concerning Tali's face, I agree, but they were so extremely lazy with the ME2 characters that they didn't even change their damn outfits, they only removed the Cerberus logo, that's it. Well I guess Jack got a new outfit and look, but she's the only one.

Anyway, that was a wall of text that doesn't really answer your question. Satisfied?

'course I'm satisfied!
It's funny because for me this characters just don't play that big of a role...
I'm totally stuck with the ME1 chars, Liara, Tali, Garrus and Wrex, those are my favourites;
from ME2 I think Samara, Kelly (even though she's no squadmember) and Mordin are the ones I prefer...
poor Mordin, alas his death was epic, even when my Renegade Shep shot him!

[Nyila]

die-yng wrote...

'course I'm satisfied!
It's funny because for me this characters just don't play that big of a role...
I'm totally stuck with the ME1 chars, Liara, Tali, Garrus and Wrex, those are my favourites;
from ME2 I think Samara, Kelly (even though she's no squadmember) and Mordin are the ones I prefer...
poor Mordin, alas his death was epic, even when my Renegade Shep shot him!

I didn't like Kelly, I have a tendency to prefer practical characters and avoid the softies.

When it comes to Morinth (I didn't particularly like her character and I'm not talking about the moral implications of siding with her) we should have at least had the possibility of saving her, or something. She's not even a war asset! And when you least expect it, you see this banshee with the tag "Morinth" on top of her head, that's pretty cheap..

I liked having Mordin go work on the Crucible, Hackett was like "he won't shut up about it!"

[die-yng]

Nyila wrote...

die-yng wrote...

'course I'm satisfied!
It's funny because for me this characters just don't play that big of a role...
I'm totally stuck with the ME1 chars, Liara, Tali, Garrus and Wrex, those are my favourites;
from ME2 I think Samara, Kelly (even though she's no squadmember) and Mordin are the ones I prefer...
poor Mordin, alas his death was epic, even when my Renegade Shep shot him!

I didn't like Kelly, I have a tendency to prefer practical characters and avoid the softies.

When it comes to Morinth (I didn't particularly like her character and I'm not talking about the moral implications of siding with her) we should have at least had the possibility of saving her, or something. She's not even a war asset! And when you least expect it, you see this banshee with the tag "Morinth" on top of her head, that's pretty cheap..

I liked having Mordin go work on the Crucible, Hackett was like "he won't shut up about it!"

I didn't manage to let him survive so far. shot him once and the other two times he sacrificed himself.
Just because I never could kill Wrex. And now I have to kill him once anyway and lose a ton of War assezs as well.

And I'm almost always for the softie characters; Leliana not Morrigan, Merrill and not Hawke, it's a tough habit to brake.