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[maxulic]

trauco gaiden wrote...

Star fury wrote...

DJepic112 wrote...

So PS3 users are shafted again?

Blame Sony for your little ghetto.

in this case i doubt is sony fault, maybe the brutes ones was but this one isnt at all. if you dont undertand i will explain you, bioware already can track all the character you promote in the ps3, you can see them in my games menu- mass effect 3 ps3...

so if they can track every time you promote a character why they cant give ps3 users this event? dont tell me they cant add packs bc they already added at least 3 packs... even more EA has another game that tracks everything you do on psn, track every kill, is call BF3 if you dont know it... and guess what bioware also belong to EA, so what you think now?

i also own a xbox trauco gaiden is my gametarg and i also have mass effect 1,2 and 3 for the xbox but i havent paid xbl so im playing mass effect 3 CE on my ps3....

im not a sony fan at all, i like the ps3, still think that the xbox is better, but i got tired of BW excuses, they already track promote characters info, their is no tech problem forcing them to leave ps3 user but maybe this tech problem is name MS...lol

Wrong. Because that tracking (that is actually not tracking) is done at a local level: you promote a character, a file on your own machine says promoted.character+1. You launch your game, your game checks this file and there you go.

This is a different issue since with these events these data need to be collected. It's not hard to imagine that this is the issue with Sony not allowing data to be collected by a 3rd party company.

Modifié par maxulic, 29 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[Paul Sedgmore]

Ew_Tux wrote...

valor163 wrote...

trauco gaiden wrote...

Star fury wrote...

DJepic112 wrote...

So PS3 users are shafted again?

Blame Sony for your little ghetto.

in this case i doubt is sony fault, maybe the brutes ones was but this one isnt at all. if you dont undertand i will explain you, bioware already can track all the character you promote in the ps3, you can see them in my games menu- mass effect 3 ps3...

so if they can track every time you promote a character why they cant give ps3 users this event? dont tell me they cant add packs bc they already added at least 3 packs... even more EA has another game that tracks everything you do on psn, track every kill, is call BF3 if you dont know it... and guess what bioware also belong to EA, so what you think now?

i also own a xbox trauco gaiden is my gametarg and i also have mass effect 1,2 and 3 for the xbox but i havent paid xbl so im playing mass effect 3 CE on my ps3....

im not a sony fan at all, i like the ps3, still think that the xbox is better, but i got tired of BW excuses, they already track promote characters info, their is no tech problem forcing them to leave ps3 user but maybe this tech problem is name MS...lol

you do realise single player info is stored on the console right?
if Sony is preventing them from collecting data then Sony is preventing them from collecting ANY data,
BF3 also tracks infomation from online matches and collects it on the console, there for EA isn't really involved.
it's probably both Bioware and Sony's fault, Sony for having restrictive privacy policies that only allow them to exploit your infomation and Bioware for not being flexible to Sony's strong arm tactics and legendary
"We hate all our customers" business model

Looked at the leaderboards lately? It collects N7 status wich is also increased by Promotion. This is not just stored locally on the PS3. Bioware are telling porkies and if not I personally would like to see a technical explanation as to why this is not possible. And surely this was all known before release with all the "testing"  that was done but yet it was decided to sell a crippled game for the same price as the others ... <_<

The only way you could tell if someone promoted characters is if they reached a score of above 120 which you don't need to reach to promote your characters, plus you would not be able to tell weather someone had promoted two characters during the timeframe just from a leaderboard score. 

Leaderboards are a very different thing to stat tracking as they are a stactic value which gets updated from your local save game when you sign into the network they are on. Stat tracking as is used for these events require Bioware to have access to specific data on specific users during a timeframe, which Sony do not allow.

[bloodDragon80]

Mazandus wrote...
Jesus christ dude, wake up. Take a business class at your local ****hole comminity college. BW/EA is not going to come out and say "hey ps3 owners, we are ****ing you." Nor is M$ going to come out and say "Hey PS3 owners, we are paying BW/EA to **** you." Sony is not going to come out and say "hey ps3 owners, EA/BW is ****ing you because we don't like x." You logic reminds me of the ending to this game. Flawed, insular, circular and not worth educating. Are you CHudson?

i don't think you understand what i mean by "they want people to know about it" of cousre they aren't gonna flat out say it but they would at least advertise something like "only on xbox" but no there was nothing like that at all because a community event is so insignificant compared to other things that could be done. people are basically saying that this is what MS is saying "hurr durr sony a company that also sells computers with our OS can't do a small event buy our stuff" and that is just idiotic

[Ew_Tux]

maxulic wrote...

trauco gaiden wrote...

Star fury wrote...

DJepic112 wrote...

So PS3 users are shafted again?

Blame Sony for your little ghetto.

in this case i doubt is sony fault, maybe the brutes ones was but this one isnt at all. if you dont undertand i will explain you, bioware already can track all the character you promote in the ps3, you can see them in my games menu- mass effect 3 ps3...

so if they can track every time you promote a character why they cant give ps3 users this event? dont tell me they cant add packs bc they already added at least 3 packs... even more EA has another game that tracks everything you do on psn, track every kill, is call BF3 if you dont know it... and guess what bioware also belong to EA, so what you think now?

i also own a xbox trauco gaiden is my gametarg and i also have mass effect 1,2 and 3 for the xbox but i havent paid xbl so im playing mass effect 3 CE on my ps3....

im not a sony fan at all, i like the ps3, still think that the xbox is better, but i got tired of BW excuses, they already track promote characters info, their is no tech problem forcing them to leave ps3 user but maybe this tech problem is name MS...lol

Wrong. Because that tracking (that is actually not tracking) is done at a local level: you promote a character, a file on your own machine says promoted.character+1. You launch your game, your game checks this file and there you go.

This is a different issue since with these events these data need to be collected. It's not hard to imagine that this is the issue with Sony not allowing data to be collected by a 3rd party company.

I've said this before, refer to the Leaderboard, promoting a character has a direct impact on this. The leaderboard is not stored on a local level alone ... Therefor, in that, data is collected.

[Guaritor]

bloodDragon80 wrote...
exactly these event aren't advertised at all the only ps3 players that know about this are the forum users and your above average gamer if your gonna make someone look bad you want people to know about it and amd nowhere near enough people know about this to make any actual profit from the people that actually switch over and if it where between two companies with one trying to make the other look bad a small community event is certainly not enough to make anyone switch.

Well, each person in that tiny subset has friends.  Even if I'm the only person who reads the forums and gets the info about ps3 being screwed over (doesn't matter by who), I still told my 4-5 friends who play ME3 about it, and they could have told people, or posted on facebook etc.  It spreads through word of mouth.  So while yes, only a tiny subset is motivated enough to actually create an account and make posts on a forum, it's not like the entire population is in the dark about what goes on.

also most pc gamers use steam and despise windows live so no money for MS. oh and ME3 isn't on windows live.

Most pc gamers use whatever the hell they have to to play their games (which is becoming quite a bit these days, every god damn developer wants their own distribution platform), a lot of people dislike steam as well, hell, they've been in an uproar over BW's Origin too.  The point was that M$ has less of a reason to care about exclusivity in regards to pc then it does to ps3, its direct competitor.

[Guaritor]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Ew_Tux wrote...

valor163 wrote...

trauco gaiden wrote...

Star fury wrote...

DJepic112 wrote...

So PS3 users are shafted again?

Blame Sony for your little ghetto.

in this case i doubt is sony fault, maybe the brutes ones was but this one isnt at all. if you dont undertand i will explain you, bioware already can track all the character you promote in the ps3, you can see them in my games menu- mass effect 3 ps3...

so if they can track every time you promote a character why they cant give ps3 users this event? dont tell me they cant add packs bc they already added at least 3 packs... even more EA has another game that tracks everything you do on psn, track every kill, is call BF3 if you dont know it... and guess what bioware also belong to EA, so what you think now?

i also own a xbox trauco gaiden is my gametarg and i also have mass effect 1,2 and 3 for the xbox but i havent paid xbl so im playing mass effect 3 CE on my ps3....

im not a sony fan at all, i like the ps3, still think that the xbox is better, but i got tired of BW excuses, they already track promote characters info, their is no tech problem forcing them to leave ps3 user but maybe this tech problem is name MS...lol

you do realise single player info is stored on the console right?
if Sony is preventing them from collecting data then Sony is preventing them from collecting ANY data,
BF3 also tracks infomation from online matches and collects it on the console, there for EA isn't really involved.
it's probably both Bioware and Sony's fault, Sony for having restrictive privacy policies that only allow them to exploit your infomation and Bioware for not being flexible to Sony's strong arm tactics and legendary
"We hate all our customers" business model

Looked at the leaderboards lately? It collects N7 status wich is also increased by Promotion. This is not just stored locally on the PS3. Bioware are telling porkies and if not I personally would like to see a technical explanation as to why this is not possible. And surely this was all known before release with all the "testing"  that was done but yet it was decided to sell a crippled game for the same price as the others ... <_<

The only way you could tell if someone promoted characters is if they reached a score of above 120 which you don't need to reach to promote your characters, plus you would not be able to tell weather someone had promoted two characters during the timeframe just from a leaderboard score. 

Leaderboards are a very different thing to stat tracking as they are a stactic value which gets updated from your local save game when you sign into the network they are on. Stat tracking as is used for these events require Bioware to have access to specific data on specific users during a timeframe, which Sony do not allow.

If you registered your game, Check out:

My Games -> Mass Effect 3 - PS3 (or xbox/pc if you have one of those)

On the left side of this web page.

Under the galactic readiness graph, there's this little gem.

Your Online War Assets:

The galaxy is at war, and you need help from its every
corner! Play to unlock war assets and to gain access to bonus profile
photos on the Bioware Social Network.



Rating:
0

N7 Special Ops Team
Trained, tested, and tough, the best of the Alliance special forces stand ready to deploy anywhere in the galaxy.
This asset is increased through playing multiplayer in Mass Effect 3.
The ops team’s war asset is created when a player reaches level 20 with
a class and selects the "promote" command. This resets the level of
that class to 1. Subsequent promotions permanently add to the value of
the existing asset. There is no limit to the number of times the class
can be promoted.

It would seem they can ALREADY track the info they need for this event (I haven't promoted a char yet), as its offered plainly on the web site.  Which makes it all the more confusing if they say they aren't able to include ps3 in this event (which in BW's defense, they haven't actually said yet).

Modifié par Guaritor, 29 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Mazandus]

Ok that was harsh of me. Its early, I didn't sleep enough, no coffee yet, and I overreacted.

You might be a really smart guy/gal, who knows. And I wasn't trying to make fun of your community, wherever that is, but rather the ****ty education system in this country. People in America are not taught to think for themselves. They are taught to believe what authority figures tell them. The pressure on executives at large businesses is enormous. They consistently have to deliver earnings that will continue to price the stock higher to satisfy shareholders demands for dividends and return on investment.

In this industry the publisher holds all the cards, takes the biggest cut of the profits, and somehow always evades the damages when a ****ty game is released. Massive layoffs at studios post launch are not only common, it is almost becoming industry standard practice. What is the point of this paragraph? To illustrate that large businesses, especially in entertainment, are primarily concerned with their bottom line and preventing other parties from infringing on whatever IP's they have collected/profit from.

We honestly have no idea if there is any deal between EA and M$. But to state that there absolutely is not or that there wouldn't be a point to it because it wouldn't make any money is to be dangerously ignorant of the world and times your are living in. Maybe it doesn't have to do with money at all, it could just be a giant dick waving contest. Who knows. Maybe its about Origin wanting user's private information and Sony is unwilling to allow such an intrusion due to fear over another hack and more pie on their face. Maybe its truly a technical limitation with the PSN (which I doubt, highly), the only point to take from this is:

We don't know. Period.
Sony/EA/BW isn't talking.

Forumites lining up to defend one large entity or attack another large entity do none of us any good, because, as I keep trying to say, it is us, the consumer who is getting ****ed. This nascent tribalism over which console family one belongs to is not only pathetic and sad, its massively depressing. Have the social structures of our civilization so wholly eroded that to satisfy the compulsion of our genes to work and fight over resources in a tribal capacity we come onto the internet to attack one another over which color our game machine is? All the while the very resources we think we are fighting over are being siphoned off to the profit of people we will never meet?

Modifié par Mazandus, 29 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[bloodDragon80]

Guaritor wrote...
Most pc gamers use whatever the hell they have to to play their games (which is becoming quite a bit these days, every god damn developer wants their own distribution platform), a lot of people dislike steam as well, hell, they've been in an uproar over BW's Origin too.  The point was that M$ has less of a reason to care about exclusivity in regards to pc then it does to ps3, its direct competitor.

or you know MS has nothing to do with pc gaming at all(besides windows live) which is why when there are timed exclusive for xbox they are not on pc even if MS gets some money from PC they do not own it if they did nothing game wise would be on mac and pc games would cost $60

[Guaritor]

bloodDragon80 wrote...
or you know MS has nothing to do with pc gaming at all(besides windows live) which is why when there are timed exclusive for xbox they are not on pc even if MS gets some money from PC they do not own it if they did nothing game wise would be on mac and pc games would cost $60

They have less of a reason to care, because of the part of my earlier post you didn't respond to:

Well, the PC isn't exactly a direct competitor of consoles, its sorta a
different market all togther.  They're used for things besides games,
they're many times more expensive, its a different type of investment. 
Plus people heavily favor one control scheme over another.  Trying to
sway ps3 users to xbox is much easier then trying to drag pc gamers away
from their mice and keyboards. 

[bloodDragon80]

Mazandus wrote...


Ok that was harsh of me. Its early, I didn't sleep enough, no coffee yet, and I overreacted.

You might be a really smart guy/gal, who knows. And I wasn't trying to make fun of your community, wherever that is, but rather the ****ty education system in this country. People in America are not taught to think for themselves. They are taught to believe what authority figures tell them. The pressure on executives at large businesses is enormous. They consistently have to deliver earnings that will continue to price the stock higher to satisfy shareholders demands for dividends and return on investment.

In this industry the publisher holds all the cards, takes the biggest cut of the profits, and somehow always evades the damages when a ****ty game is released. Massive layoffs at studios post launch are not only common, it is almost becoming industry standard practice. What is the point of this paragraph? To illustrate that large businesses, especially in entertainment, are primarily concerned with their bottom line and preventing other parties from infringing on whatever IP's they have collected/profit from.

We honestly have no idea if there is any deal between EA and M$. But to state that there absolutely is not or that there wouldn't be a point to it because it wouldn't make any money is to be dangerously ignorant of the world and times your are living in. Maybe it doesn't have to do with money at all, it could just be a giant dick waving contest. Who knows. Maybe its about Origin wanting user's private information and Sony is unwilling to allow such an intrusion due to fear over another hack and more pie on their face. Maybe its truly a technical limitation with the PSN (which I doubt, highly), the only point to take from this is:

We don't know. Period.
Sony/EA/BW isn't talking.

Forumites lining up to defend one large entity or attack another large entity do none of us any good, because, as I keep trying to say, it is us, the consumer who is getting ****ed. This nascent tribalism over which console family one belongs to is not only pathetic and sad, its massively depressing. Have the social structures of our civilization so wholly eroded that to satisfy the compulsion of our genes to work and fight over resources in a tribal capacity we come onto the internet to attack one another over which color their game machine is? All the while the very resources we think we are fighting over are being siphoned off to the profit of people we will never meet?

oh I will have no problem accepting that MS has a deal if they do but i DO have a problem with people blaming MS/EA with either no evidence or evidence that can be proven irrelevant towards their arguement of course people will still try and bring up stuff but in my eyes most evidence i have seen the blame points in sony's direction. but of cousre we still don't know anything and argueing is pointless without facts but this is forum even a blind man with no arms can point out that most things on these forums arre opinions.

[DarkSpider88]

Any news on whether if you promote more than 2 characters you can get more than one commendation pack?

[Guaritor]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Any news on whether if you promote more than 2 characters you can get more than one commendation pack?

Yeah, a BW rep responded earlier in the post, only one pack total, no matter how many you promote after your first two.

Modifié par Guaritor, 29 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[Wynne]

Too bad you can't. It would've been nice to have a reward for having taken part in Operation Fortress.

Modifié par Wynne, 29 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[Atucker_a32]

 I've got 2 characters ready already, and four more not even half a level away from 20

[triforceknight]

im glad i got this game on the 360

Those who got it for Sony well that's just too bad, you made that rash decision and because your no privileged like the PC/360 your mad. Honestly I do not think you deserved the reward (albeit crappy award) that was Operation Fortress.

Bioware is going on damage control for the minority that is PS3 owners that bought ME3 because they can not outright say PS3 will be left out. If i was part of Bioware I would do the same thing, your going to look bad either way to those individuals (albiet very few) that care. Sometime acting like your trying is the best course of action for Bioware to deal with the situation

I'm just glad that there is some minimal incentive to jump into multiplayer each weekend. For PS3 owners, at least you got that 25% exp bonus last week that should be good for something. Unfortunately, it will not be for this week just accept it and move on. It just a few packs right.

[R1cky Da Man 19]

I fail to see the challenge in this...

[maxulic]

R1cky Da Man 19 wrote...

I fail to see the challenge in this...

You have to overcome the loss of your lvl 20, quite challenging honestly

[Guaritor]

R1cky Da Man 19 wrote...

I fail to see the challenge in this...

The challenge, I imagine, is the community goal.  While its easy for most of us to just promote two of our 20's, maybe a lot of people don't have that many 20s?  I dunno, it's hard to tell just how difficult it'll be without BW's information on player levels.

Modifié par Guaritor, 29 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[bloodDragon80]

Guaritor wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...
or you know MS has nothing to do with pc gaming at all(besides windows live) which is why when there are timed exclusive for xbox they are not on pc even if MS gets some money from PC they do not own it if they did nothing game wise would be on mac and pc games would cost $60

They have less of a reason to care, because of the part of my earlier post you didn't respond to:

Well, the PC isn't exactly a direct competitor of consoles, its sorta a
different market all togther.  They're used for things besides games,
they're many times more expensive, its a different type of investment. 
Plus people heavily favor one control scheme over another.  Trying to
sway ps3 users to xbox is much easier then trying to drag pc gamers away
from their mice and keyboards. 

they have no reason to care about PC gaming because most people who play pc will get their games in way that MS doesn't get money. all i'm trying to say is PC is not MS platform it is no ones platoform

[Guaritor]

bloodDragon80 wrote...
they have no reason to care about PC gaming because most people who play pc will get their games in way that MS doesn't get money. all i'm trying to say is PC is not MS platform it is no ones platoform

Which is exactly why they don't bother excluding PC as well when they make an exclusivity contract with EA.

Modifié par Guaritor, 29 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[Lionheartwolf]

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Mazandus wrote...


Ok that was harsh of me. Its early, I didn't sleep enough, no coffee yet, and I overreacted.

You might be a really smart guy/gal, who knows. And I wasn't trying to make fun of your community, wherever that is, but rather the ****ty education system in this country. People in America are not taught to think for themselves. They are taught to believe what authority figures tell them. The pressure on executives at large businesses is enormous. They consistently have to deliver earnings that will continue to price the stock higher to satisfy shareholders demands for dividends and return on investment.

In this industry the publisher holds all the cards, takes the biggest cut of the profits, and somehow always evades the damages when a ****ty game is released. Massive layoffs at studios post launch are not only common, it is almost becoming industry standard practice. What is the point of this paragraph? To illustrate that large businesses, especially in entertainment, are primarily concerned with their bottom line and preventing other parties from infringing on whatever IP's they have collected/profit from.

We honestly have no idea if there is any deal between EA and M$. But to state that there absolutely is not or that there wouldn't be a point to it because it wouldn't make any money is to be dangerously ignorant of the world and times your are living in. Maybe it doesn't have to do with money at all, it could just be a giant dick waving contest. Who knows. Maybe its about Origin wanting user's private information and Sony is unwilling to allow such an intrusion due to fear over another hack and more pie on their face. Maybe its truly a technical limitation with the PSN (which I doubt, highly), the only point to take from this is:

We don't know. Period.
Sony/EA/BW isn't talking.

Forumites lining up to defend one large entity or attack another large entity do none of us any good, because, as I keep trying to say, it is us, the consumer who is getting ****ed. This nascent tribalism over which console family one belongs to is not only pathetic and sad, its massively depressing. Have the social structures of our civilization so wholly eroded that to satisfy the compulsion of our genes to work and fight over resources in a tribal capacity we come onto the internet to attack one another over which color their game machine is? All the while the very resources we think we are fighting over are being siphoned off to the profit of people we will never meet?

oh I will have no problem accepting that MS has a deal if they do but i DO have a problem with people blaming MS/EA with either no evidence or evidence that can be proven irrelevant towards their arguement of course people will still try and bring up stuff but in my eyes most evidence i have seen the blame points in sony's direction. but of cousre we still don't know anything and argueing is pointless without facts but this is forum even a blind man with no arms can point out that most things on these forums arre opinions.

so wait you are saying you can offer up a good reason to why bioware/ea  still chooses to use a method that is only open to a portion of the community instead of doing something that every part of the community can join in?

its enitrely possible to scrap this idea all together for an option that works for everybody. Bioware chooses to keep doing things they know isnt open to everybody. that is Biowares fault plain and simple. you dont need conspiracy theories to prove that. its just common sense. if you accidently take kid with a handicap to an amusement park and find out he cant ride the rides that is one thing. if you decide 2 weeks later to take them back to the same amusement park you are just an ass.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

If I promote 6 characters do I get 3 commendation packages? Let me know thanks.

[tvih]

Honestly all this "PS3 being left out" talk is getting stupid. Why? Well, it's making a big deal out of essentially nothing. These events don't really change gameplay. The rewards aren't great, especially the Victory Pack from Goliath was quite a joke. And the N7 weapons of the commendation pack aren't mostly worth writing home about either since they're generally no better than what you already get by conventional means. In this case in some ways it's more of a drag than anything, since it's a small reward for having to go 1-20 all over again... twice! Especially given that chances are you'll end up with a weapon you don't even want to use because it's the wrong damn type.

You either play the multiplayer because you like it, or you don't play. These events do nothing to change that. Stop blowing it out of proportion.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

To clarify the question of how many packs are possible.

You get a max of 1 commendation and a max of 1 victory.

Thanks for clarifying.

[bloodDragon80]

Guaritor wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...
they have no reason to care about PC gaming because most people who play pc will get their games in way that MS doesn't get money. all i'm trying to say is PC is not MS platform it is no ones platoform

Which is exactly why they don't bother excluding PC as well when they make an exclusivity contract with EA.

no thats exacly why they exclude PC if there was a contract you better believe PC would be excluded because that would push people towards the xbox where it would gurrantee MS would get money from everyone. timed exclusive stuff COD map packs, skyrim dlc, and many others exclude pc so why would this (if it was an exclusivity contract) not exclude pc(not exactly the same but same concept) there may very well be a contract but i have yet to see evidence that there is one.

Modifié par bloodDragon80, 29 mars 2012 - 04:06 .