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[Tremere]

I was just wondering what others thought about the idea that by finding the Urn of Sacred Ashes and reporting it's (secured) location to Brother Genitivi, would this make the Warden a religious icon? (Albeit an unwitting one.)? If so, how would this play out if the Warden was a mage or an Elf?

I ask this because it seems a shame that it isn't addressed in the game... That is, provided the Warden gives the information to Brother Genitivi of course. Or am I way off base here?

Just curious.

[gandanlin]

Based on what I have read in the codex, I'd say the Wardens already are held to be hero figures by Fereldan society. The prestige of the order has waxed and waned over the years, and their political fortunes have varied accordingly, but at all events the Wardens have a long and storied history.

Are they (or have they ever been, or do they even want to be) revered in a religious way? I wouldn't say so. Brother Geniviti did most of the work in finding the Urn, so I'd say he deserves any religious accolades that might come in the wake of that discovery. He figures as a religious authority in the DAO story.

Maybe some iconography with the revered Brother pointing the way to the Urn might be appropriate. The Wardens traditionally are pictured in art as riding their griffons and coming to rescue the land from the Blight. The Wardens are heroic figures, yes, but I think it would be wrong to view them in a religious way -- as saints or anything along that line.

Just the way I read the story, of course.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Wardens are also associated with the (White) Chantry. Historically the Order converted to the Chant when they were impressed by the Orlesians' dedication to fighting one of the Blights.

[Corker]

gandanlin wrote...

Maybe some iconography with the revered Brother pointing the way to the Urn might be appropriate.

Something like this?



St. Helena of Constantinople (and her son Constantine on the left), credited with finding the remains of the True Cross.

Unnamed workers are the ones who (according to the narrative) tore down a temple and dug up the place Helena indicated, finding three crosses. So actually physically finding the True Cross gets you bupkis. 

[Tremere]

*nods in thanks* Interesting responses and certainly worth researching further.

@gandalin: I understand your perspective. It wasn't my intention to ask this question in regards to the Warden being revered as a hero for finding the Urn. If it came across that way, I apologize. In essence, I think about this in the same way that I think about martyrdom. "If I person sets out on a quest with the intention of becoming a martyr, in my mind, they're a self-serving fool." What's more, the thing that separates martyrdom/heroism from stupidity is the interpretation of the outcome. Specifically in the case of the Warden, while it's true that Br. Genitivi did the reasearch, it was the Warden who effectively went through the trials necessary to confirm the Urn's existence and location. Of course I'm then lead to the comments by *Corker*... X^D *Hahaha!*

@Shadow of Light Dragon: Thanks for the insight. :^)

@Corker... Thanks for the *chuckle*. X^)

Modifié par GabrielXL, 29 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[gandanlin]

@ Corker:

Yes, exactly. Only with Brother Geniviti standing at the entrance to the Temple at Haven, pointing the way to the Urn to a group of Wardens who have griffins emblazoned on their armor and shields.

Oh my. How I wish I had the talent to paint that image!

[gandanlin]

Here is an icon that is quite lively.  No griffins, but sort of in the style I was imagining:

[commanderVal]

Corker wrote...

gandanlin wrote...

Maybe some iconography with the revered Brother pointing the way to the Urn might be appropriate.

Something like this?



St. Helena of Constantinople (and her son Constantine on the left), credited with finding the remains of the True Cross.

Unnamed workers are the ones who (according to the narrative) tore down a temple and dug up the place Helena indicated, finding three crosses. So actually physically finding the True Cross gets you bupkis. 

For some reason that image made me lol.

I was under that impression that the credit for the finding goes to Brother Genetivi and there was to be no mention of the Warden's involvement in the issue. The Tears of Andraste are a similar case. I usually let Slim deliver it anonymously to the Chantry so I don't know what it's like if you choose to deliver it yourself.

At any rate, most of the Epilogue slides are pointless since BioWare are more than content to contradict themselves so I'd guess any credit for the Sacred Ashes would be taken by the Chantry and, if he's lucky, Brother Genetivi. There could be rumours of The Warden finding it but the Chantry would probably make sure that remains a rumour.

[commanderVal]

Got some free time so whipped up something. I will probably develop on this later.

But just for the lulz- here you go.

Modifié par commanderVal, 02 avril 2012 - 07:30 .