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[SinnSly]

Yokokorama wrote...

I agree, and its stuff like this that made me stop taking LI's seriously in the ME series. This, in addition to the fact that every game seems to push you to cheat on your LI every game since they never include your previous LI in the squad. In ME1, male Shepard usually ends up with Ashley. In ME2, Ashley isn't in the squad, so its either Miranda or Jack. In ME3 Miranda and Jack are gone, so its back to Ashley.

It kind of removes the reward of being faithful to LI's in the game.

If you cheated it is because you chose to liek an idiot, not because they are forcing us too, I'd never cheat, forever loyal to Liara >:I

You cheat because you chose to, no one forces someone to cheat =l

[Coachdongwiffle]

I loved me some Tali the whole time

[nuculerman]

Question about this. I told her I wanted to be with her at the beginning of the game. I later got the whole kiss on the cheek scene. In the wiki it claims when she comes up to my cabin to tell me about her time capsule, I should choose "I want to be more than friends." That isn't actually an option. I only get two options, "You're a good friend too" or "Good to here."

I romanced Liara in ME1, Miranda in ME2 and Liara in Shadow Broker DLC. I tried to even break up with MIranda before that convo. Same options. After I take back the Citadel, both of her dialogues on the NOrmandy and Presidium Commons are auto dialogue one liners.

[jeweledleah]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Catroi wrote...

want to know why?
Laziness, they didn't want to bother recording a whole new set of dialogues if you stayed faithful...

Kaiden of all people is the only one out of the three me1 LIs to get faithful dialogue. Liara didn't get much, and either did Ashley. Kaiden gets a full faithful romance while Ashley's ends at the hospital and goes to the new romance status, and liaras ends after the scene where she sits on your lap and kisses you. It is sloppy.

-Polite

in case it hasn't been mentioned, he also completely forgets all about aforementioned faithful dialogue and every single time he said "I love you" prior to that (which would be mars, huerta hospital and upon rejoining the Normandy) and goes straight to full out friendship dialogue IF you lock in another romance.

so no romance is immune to the sloppy implementation in ME3.  just saying. just - different romances fail in different parts.

[Ultra Prism]

weird i dont know ... i was like okay it is understandable that Shep and Liara werent close enough physically ... so Liara needed time to rebuild after losing shep for 2 years

[nuculerman]

nuculerman wrote...

Question about this. I told her I wanted to be with her at the beginning of the game. I later got the whole kiss on the cheek scene. In the wiki it claims when she comes up to my cabin to tell me about her time capsule, I should choose "I want to be more than friends." That isn't actually an option. I only get two options, "You're a good friend too" or "Good to here."

I romanced Liara in ME1, Miranda in ME2 and Liara in Shadow Broker DLC. I tried to even break up with MIranda before that convo. Same options. After I take back the Citadel, both of her dialogues on the NOrmandy and Presidium Commons are auto dialogue one liners.

Can someone please tell me if this is how it's supposed to play out?  I'd like to know if I have to restart from somewhere sooner rather than later .

[nuculerman]

bump

[Garlador]

I have a bug in the game where, even after telling Liara "no" for two games now, she STILL barges into my room and acts like she wants a relationship and acts like my girlfriend everywhere she goes, even though I'm committed to someone else and she knows it.

That is a bug, right?

[dreaming_raithe]

Garlador wrote...

I have a bug in the game where, even after telling Liara "no" for two games now, she STILL barges into my room and acts like she wants a relationship and acts like my girlfriend everywhere she goes, even though I'm committed to someone else and she knows it.

That is a bug, right?

Nah, she's just got a huge Azure-on for Shepard. It annoyed me too.

[Lookout1390]

Mine turned out just fine...though I felt a bit overshadowed that she was most interested in Javik/work 70% of the time instead of Shepard.

Jeez, I understand you're busy and all, but Shepard is spear-heading the whole war against the Reapers, and even he/she manages to find some down time every now and then.

Modifié par Lookout1390, 01 mai 2012 - 01:10 .

[nuculerman]

Well, since no one wanted to help me, I just sucked it up and went full steam ahead.

According to the wiki, which I missed, if you don't romance Liara in ME1, the option to be more than friends doesn't actually happen until after you save the Citadel and get a letter to meet her in the Commons. This indeed happened to me.

The issue is, I romanced Liara in ME1. So this is either a bug, or the wiki is wrong. If the latter, I'm guessing you had to be faithful to Liara to get the earlier dialogue? Whatever it is it's annoying. I'm incredibly disappointed with how Bioware handled Liara. What really boggles my mind is how she's clearly supposed to be the canon romance, and yet they put in seemingly the least effort. I say that because even if you don't romance her she still acts like you did at random times, and there are various conversations with others that still happen like with her "father," that obviously imply you two are an item. No other romance is even close to being as forced on you.

I'm also confused why Bioware put so much effort into Samantha Traynor's romance, then made it only for female Shepard's. The number of things that lack soul and pride in one's work evident in this game just depress me. This game deserved better.

[Iakus]

nuculerman wrote...

Well, since no one wanted to help me, I just sucked it up and went full steam ahead.

According to the wiki, which I missed, if you don't romance Liara in ME1, the option to be more than friends doesn't actually happen until after you save the Citadel and get a letter to meet her in the Commons. This indeed happened to me.

The issue is, I romanced Liara in ME1. So this is either a bug, or the wiki is wrong. If the latter, I'm guessing you had to be faithful to Liara to get the earlier dialogue? Whatever it is it's annoying. I'm incredibly disappointed with how Bioware handled Liara. What really boggles my mind is how she's clearly supposed to be the canon romance, and yet they put in seemingly the least effort. I say that because even if you don't romance her she still acts like you did at random times, and there are various conversations with others that still happen like with her "father," that obviously imply you two are an item. No other romance is even close to being as forced on you.

You have to meet Liara on the Presisium and tell her you want to be more than friends in order to "lock in' the romance.  This goes for both fresh and imported romances.  Doing so will lock out all romance dialogue for all other potential LIs.

I can understand how annoying the "I want more" dialogue is.  I had the same thing happen with Ashley, having to "start up" the romance even though my Shep told her on two seperate occassions that he still cared about her and wanted a relationship.  It's just recycled lines.

[Icesong]

There's no excusing the writing in the Citadel scene for Shepards who by then had three or four times told Liara they were in love with her and pretty much already had the same conversation, but better, in LotSB which was mere months prior. Please stop those of you who are. That being said, I do understand why it was done and I'm not that bothered by it.

[Icesong]

nuculerman wrote...

Well, since no one wanted to help me, I just sucked it up and went full steam ahead.

According to the wiki, which I missed, if you don't romance Liara in ME1, the option to be more than friends doesn't actually happen until after you save the Citadel and get a letter to meet her in the Commons. This indeed happened to me.

The issue is, I romanced Liara in ME1. So this is either a bug, or the wiki is wrong. If the latter, I'm guessing you had to be faithful to Liara to get the earlier dialogue? Whatever it is it's annoying. I'm incredibly disappointed with how Bioware handled Liara. What really boggles my mind is how she's clearly supposed to be the canon romance, and yet they put in seemingly the least effort. I say that because even if you don't romance her she still acts like you did at random times, and there are various conversations with others that still happen like with her "father," that obviously imply you two are an item. No other romance is even close to being as forced on you.

I'm also confused why Bioware put so much effort into Samantha Traynor's romance, then made it only for female Shepard's. The number of things that lack soul and pride in one's work evident in this game just depress me. This game deserved better.

The wiki would be wrong if it said that option existed in the time capsule scene.

[nuculerman]

Icesong wrote...

The wiki would be wrong if it said that option existed in the time capsule scene.

Where were you yesterday?  I wasted 2 hours redoing that scene trying to get the more than friends option.  Oh well.  This is ign's wiki, btw.

I've only romanced Tali so far, and am now "locked" into a romance with Liara half way through a new playthrough, but it seems to me the Liara romance writing is just WAY lazier than Tali's.  I also went through most of the dialogue with Ashley before deciding to stick with Tali, and that felt pretty lazy too.  I don't play this game for romance options, so in the scheme of things this wouldn't bother me if the rest of the game were great, but it just gets me even angrier after the ending, after the fetch quests, after the extreme linearity, and after all the other ways they invalidated my choices.

It's just such a pity this game was so rushed to production.  It could have been so much more.

[leapingmonkeys]

Tleining wrote...

it was an oversight. They wanted to give us an Opportunity to romance the characters in ME3 without having a Breakup. A Dev mentioned it in another Thread that they could have recorded additional lines for Liara (other LI's) but just forgot about it. (i don't remember the dev saying they forgot it, but he mentioned the "give us the Option to romance other characters even with existing LIs")

Seems like project managment must have been on vacation for something like this to have been over looked.  Forgetting to lay out an entire sub-plot?

But then again, this was simply a "continuity" issue and having ME1/ME2 impact ME3 was clearly not on their to-do list for ME3.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

adidaz wrote...

Did anyone else have a point to where you can't see Liara at all during the romance part towards the end? It's like you can hear her talking but she's not there then it goes to a different scene/camera angle & she reappears :/

Mine was before. One of my femShep romanced no one and I chose to have her go for Liara. So they had the chat before the Cerberus base misssion and they kissed. The funniest thing was ... Liara disappeared for a few secs. Reloading from save and playing the cutscene again made no difference.

It never happened to a femShep who romanced Liara from ME 1 - 3.

[Kalundume]

The inconsistency in Liara's dialogue also bothered me, since my Shepard was faithful to her in 3 games; it is a pity that Bioware had not followed the nonlinear design it could have done otherwise (to have different dialogue depending on the fact that you stayed loyal or cheated on her).

I have found only one way to justify it in a way that does not break the immersion: Liara is on the edge, not reacting rationally, very alike to some other characters (drunk scenes of Ashley and Tali). These people know that their whole world is on a stake and have the problem to deal with it. Her feelings inconsistency would be just that: a way to mentally reject the arrival of reaper armageddon.

While a lack of kind words in her casual conversations also bothered me, I can understand that also as her sign of determination to find the solution for the reaper danger, the same about spending most of time on prothean/javik research and shadow broker job. She did her part of job for a war effort.

Still some more kind, romance words/specific dialogue for faithfull liaramancers would be nice (though very improbable, seeing how Bioware deals with ending debacle and using "artistic integrity" as a main argument)

Modifié par Kalundume, 01 mai 2012 - 03:01 .

[eddieoctane]

his game is just poorly put together. If you romanced her in ME1, ignored every piece of ass you could find in ME2, and got back together with her in ME3, you shouldn't have to wait half-way through the game to "lock in" her romance. The Mars dialog should have done that. But it likely would have required some more lines to be recorded, and EA is cheap.

[An English Gamer]

 FRIENDZONED.

[Cecilia L]

I don't know if anybody else has made this observation, but on my second playthrough I played as maleShep who had romanced Liara in ME1 and Tali in ME2. Still, he caresses Liara's cheek when they talk on Mars.

[httinks2006]

it's laziness on Bioware's part . If you do one run through with a Love interest and then on multiple runs you will see how choppy and amateur the cuts are when you're just friends with that LI next run through.

[Makrys]

This thread exemplifies my second biggest problem with the game other than the ending: Liara's romance. Agreed 100% with you OP. It doesn't make any sense. She asked me at the beginning of our mission if I wanted to stay together, I said yes. Why then does she ask me again on the citadel? And before that refer to me as 'good friend' during the 'my project' scene in your cabin? What the hell, Bioware? It really breaks the immersion for me, in an otherwise lovely done romance. Frustrating.

Also frustrating was the final goodbye scene. There was no embrace, kiss, or hardly anything. Just a dream and holding hands. She then says, "I love you", and Shepard doesn't even respond. Really? I'm about to go on a suicide mission to end the Reapers once and for all and I can't even embrace, kiss, and tell the love of my life how much she means to me and that we'll make it through this? It felt so rushed. And that saddens me the most, because the characters and relationships are the most important aspect of the games to me.

Modifié par Makrys, 02 mai 2012 - 08:14 .

[Wulfram]

Best explanation I've encountered is that Liara's being deliberately provocative with the "just friends" thing. I mean, she doesn't seem at all phased when Shepard responds by practically proposing marriage. Still wierd

Or maybe Asari just don't get the whole "friend zone" thing.