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[Rainen89]

Love Tim Curray and his sultry voice. I don't know if you could ever do this maybe make a DLC that was diabled after landsmeet for obvious reason but, I was really sad to see how little we got to see of Howe. Unless you did Human noble of course but other than that you had great acting, great character, great story and all you get is well we only killed you because anora asked us to pretty pleasey. Either way compared to all the origin characters that initiated an evil plot.

City elf Vaughan rapist and racist/womanizer
Dalish elf evil, evil mirror!
Dwarf noble political upheaval and betrayal
Dwarf Commoner Jarvia and oppressive caste system
Jowan.....really?
Howe again, amazing story and made me play human noble just for this I just wish you could engage him in areas other than near the end of the game and to do it so randomly meh. If it wasn't for howe's mages we wouldn't have even killed him!

[westiex9]

Yeah Howe was an awesome Villain so bitter and jealous of everyone, His final words summed up his character perfectly "maker spit on you, I deserved more!!"

[Messor8914]

Yes he was an awesome villian too bad i slaughtered his ****. But i think we don't get to see enough of him outside the Human Noble origin. Loghain was i think a good villian but one that was that intriging

[Alneverus]

And to think in my human noble origin I actually entertained his notion of an arranged marriage. Bastard.

[Popemaster123]

i told him to f**k off i had no interest in his daughter...and he says "well see" or something like that

[The Capital Gaultier]

I could have gone for more characterization, but honestly, I hated the sum'**** so someone wrote something right.

[Boeresmurf]

he character was damn well writen and the VA was perfectly cast

[Amaryd]

The only thing I will never forgive Howe for is he died so fast, I wished he suffered. The human noble PC should'v gotten the option to torture Howe, I mean all the devices were in arms reach. Even the comment "I'll kill your family next Howe" wasn't really a satisfaction, because you couldn't go trough with it. Killing his family in front of Howe's eyes, now that would be interesting, but that would make me a Dark warden, ooh well to each his own!

[ReubenLiew]

Well too bad, really. Revenge is rarely satisfying.

[Majspuffen]

Amaryd wrote...

The only thing I will never forgive Howe for is he died so fast, I wished he suffered. The human noble PC should'v gotten the option to torture Howe, I mean all the devices were in arms reach. Even the comment "I'll kill your family next Howe" wasn't really a satisfaction, because you couldn't go trough with it. Killing his family in front of Howe's eyes, now that would be interesting, but that would make me a Dark warden, ooh well to each his own!

This. You should have been able to gloat a little before he dies. A tiny dialogue is better than no dialogue.

[The Angry One]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Well too bad, really. Revenge is rarely satisfying.

That entirely depends on the length and depth of the revenge.

For example, killing Howe = perhaps not too satisfying.
Stringing Howe up upside-down while his wife and children are brought in one by one, flogged to death, burned and force fed to him while a hornet's nest is placed inside his britches = very satisfying.

[Rainen89]

If someone kills your entire family takes over your home and then tells everyone that it was justified or that no one was hurt by what happened. I'm fairly certain you'd want more than to call him a jerk. Tim curray did a great job at just making you hate Howe with a fiery passion. If only the same could've been done in the mage origin because I want to become an apostate every single time Jowan whines about how many mistakes he's made.

[The Angry One]

You can't become an apostate! Everybody would hate you and persecute you and templars would be ambushing you all the time just like they do with Morrigan in your party!



.... oh wait.

[ReubenLiew]

We can always go and plan how terrible our vengeance can be.

But life, being what it is, rarely ever goes to plan.

So in the end all that hate and bile you build up only hurts yourself in the long run.



Unless one happens to be a Dark Angel Space Marine with 10 thousand years of perfected methods of torture.

[The Angry One]

It's only really so because the game only gives us one outcome to Howe - he dies.

In a real world situation I'd settle for destroying the one thing Howe ever cared about, his family, in front of his beady eyes. Anything else, including hornets, is optional..

[ReubenLiew]

In the real world you probably just brood in your house thinking all sort of black thoughts while not even being able to do anything.

And in the reality of the game, Howe would've probably killed you first, except in this game you're an all powerful god of war.

With reloading abilities.

Terrible vengeance is not achieved in a few weeks, it's planned over years or generations.

And time was not something your pc had the luxury of.

[The Angry One]

By that logic in the real world you've have never survived the attack on the castle.

This scenario assumes the ability to take Howe down, and Howe's a pansy anyway. By that time you've brought down ogres, broodmothers and dragons and we're going to be threatened by a crooked old man and his two-bit thugs? I think not.



Also we have a couple of years in game to think up something suitably grisly and ironic.

[ReubenLiew]

Yeah but you were spending those several years trying to save the world. You'd need time to travel to his Arl, find his family, take them hostage WITHOUT dying in the attempt, find him, and do whatever it is you wanted to do.



You found him in his home alone in a dungeon by complete accident, killing him was the only thing you could've done at that point. It was fast and clean, but there wasn't really much else you could do. You could waste several hours in the torture chamber if you wanted, but really as I said there wasn't really that much time, since you had to go save the queen and get out of a fort and all.



Let's not beat around the bush here. Without the power of plot our character would've been assuredly dead.



In any case, even if we could've thought up of all that revenge and stuff, finding him there wasn;'t exactly planned on your part. And he fought to the death. There wasn't much else you could do at that point.

[Boeresmurf]

maybe a nice thing as dlc for ppl who like some evil act.

the addtion of a village with some of arl howe family living inside it...... make them suffer: humiliation / pain / violence / murder its all allowed ... i would definiatly by that dlc



btw "the angry one" ur portrait is epic evil

[The Angry One]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Yeah but you were spending those several years trying to save the world. You'd need time to travel to his Arl, find his family, take them hostage WITHOUT dying in the attempt, find him, and do whatever it is you wanted to do.

Child's play compared to what else we do.

You found him in his home alone in a dungeon by complete accident, killing him was the only thing you could've done at that point. It was fast and clean, but there wasn't really much else you could do. You could waste several hours in the torture chamber if you wanted, but really as I said there wasn't really that much time, since you had to go save the queen and get out of a fort and all.

Let's not beat around the bush here. Without the power of plot our character would've been assuredly dead.

My character would, given the chance, put revenge before this grey warden duty. Wouldn't be proper, no. But it'd be in-character.

In any case, even if we could've thought up of all that revenge and stuff, finding him there wasn;'t exactly planned on your part. And he fought to the death. There wasn't much else you could do at that point.

Have Shale bear-hug him to unconciousness. Or Morrigan paralyze him till we tie him up. And so on.

[ReubenLiew]

I guess it's easy to pretend how evil we want to be in a game.

[The Angry One]

Boeresmurf wrote...

btw "the angry one" ur portrait is epic evil

As intended, thank you. :happy:
Remember, the true formula for evil is 75% Anora, werewolf eyes and black hair.

[Lotion Soronarr]

The Angry One wrote...

It's only really so because the game only gives us one outcome to Howe - he dies.
In a real world situation I'd settle for destroying the one thing Howe ever cared about, his family, in front of his beady eyes. Anything else, including hornets, is optional..

Which would have made you even worse than him.

What do his kids have to do with their fathers scheemings? Thereis nothing worse then the idea of vengance by torturing/killing loved ones. There is no justice in it, there is not a shred of morality in it. It is just depraved.

You can torment him with lies that you will do it just as well.

[Rainen89]

There are plenty of methods of torture we could use. I understand the sanctimonious eye for an eye leaves everyone blind mantra but lets face it. Its easy to say somethings horrible and a bad way to react to something when that particular situation does not apply to you. Yes revenge is not practical or logical but it is emotional. Either way it's not like it'd be hard. This game would need to be destroyed if we could somehow kill an archdemon with four people and a ballista but hired thugs would be the one thing that could stop us.

[The Angry One]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's only really so because the game only gives us one outcome to Howe - he dies.
In a real world situation I'd settle for destroying the one thing Howe ever cared about, his family, in front of his beady eyes. Anything else, including hornets, is optional..

Which would have made you even worse than him.

What do his kids have to do with their fathers scheemings? Thereis nothing worse then the idea of vengance by torturing/killing loved ones. There is no justice in it, there is not a shred of morality in it. It is just depraved.

You can torment him with lies that you will do it just as well.

Revenge is never fair, or logical.
I'm speaking in character here, as someone who lost her entire family and home to the petty schemes of this evil little man, she wants nothing more than to make Howe experience what she did. In graphic detail.

You can even do this to an extent in game, strip Howe's family of their land and titles.. but it's a throwaway line and doesn't feel as... visceral I guess.