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[DocDoomII]

The Angry One wrote...

Hey! I'm the only one that usualy calls him spacebrat (or godbrat). Happy to see that it's starting to catch

[CaliGuy033]

I don't take the kid so literally when he says he "controls" the Reapers. The Reapers are each their own nation, as has been explained. I saw him as more as an avatar used to communicate with Shepard, not their literal "creator" or "god" (which also explains why he takes a form familiar to Shepard).

[ImmovableMover]

FemmeShep wrote...

Get out of here with your logic and facts.

[MeatShieldGriff]

How did I miss this obvious contradiction? Nice one.

[TobiTobsen]

Because the kid is the master of space magic! No one dares to defy the kid who controls the colors red, blue and green!

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 28 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Iwillbeback]

What of Starchild is actually a guy who last activated the Crucible billions of years ago and now shepard is the new Starchild.
Only shepard has better solutions.

[eventhewaves]

The Angry One wrote...

Awesome.

"Heads I win.  Tails, your entire civilization grinds to an immediate halt, every synthetic lifeform in the galaxy is destroyed, your transportation and supply lines get cut, and half the aliens in the galaxy are stuck in this destroyed solar system with minimal fuel and fewer resources."

"How is that not you winning?"

"Look, why don't you just kill yourself and get it over with?  I've got a Matrix trilogy screening to go ruin in fifteen minutes."

Modifié par eventhewaves, 28 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[TudorWolf]

It doesn't consider the reapers to be synthetics?

Cos technically, they aren't

[Tiercel24]

Lookout1390 wrote...
just complete non-sense

[Voutsis1982]

Unless the Reapers survive the Kill All Synthetics ending, they're Synthetic.

minormiracle wrote...
If the Starchild created a solution to a problem, and that solution was the Reapers, how come the Reapers haven't rebelled against the Starchild yet?

You see, there's a second fleet of Super Reapers that periodically wipe out the first fleet of Regular Reapers, to prevent then from creating a killer AI while they're creating AIs.

That fleet of Super Reapers, of course, is periodically wiped out by a single massive Uber Reaper to prevent them from producing a killer AI.

The Uber Reaper is periodically killed by Ezio Auditore.

Modifié par Voutsis1982, 28 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

He's probably synthetic himself, or even just a VI... just sayin'.

But yeah it's pretty stupid when you put it that way. Reminds me of Obi-Wan "Only Sith Can Speak In Absolutes" Kenobi.

[Sesshomaru47]

Iwillbeback wrote...

What of Starchild is actually a guy who last activated the Crucible billions of years ago and now shepard is the new Starchild.
Only shepard has better solutions.

Isn't this the first time that anyone managed to fix it to turn it on?

[Nykara]

Ascension is supposed to explain all? The last step to evolution - moving on to a higher plane of existence. Of course thats not what we want, but they don't seem to care less what people do or don't want.

The Reapers are part organic, part machine. So whilst they are created they are not the synthetics that will wipe out all organic life in the sense that the Star Child meant it. That is why he/she/it views them as the solution.

I am pretty sure however, that the Reapers can only be controlled as much as they allow it. I don't think that means complete control as such. It also seems like a pretty ****ty solution to me.

Don't get me wrong. I think the whole ending was pretty crappy. Shepard should have been able to choose to tell the kid to get lost. I can, however poke a few holes in the post here.

[XqctaX]

will someone shot that starbrat allready lol

[Catroi]

What? did you expect logic from art? GTFO you self-entitled fan(atic) brat!

[Montana]

Nighthunteer wrote...

minormiracle wrote...
Starchild: I control the Reapers. They are my solution.
Shepard: Solution? To what?
Starchild: Chaos. The created will always rebel against their creators.

If
the Starchild created a solution to a problem, and that solution was
the Reapers, how come the Reapers haven't rebelled against the Starchild
yet?

Woah, didn't even cross my mind! That is a nice catch!

First thing I thought about when he said it*.
That's where my ending hatred started.....
.... and then it continued getting worse.

* (Yeah, I'm smart )

[Ziggeh]

minormiracle wrote...
If the Starchild created a solution to a problem, and that solution was the Reapers, how come the Reapers haven't rebelled against the Starchild yet? They are without doubt the longest living civilization within the galaxy, yet they haven't turned against their creator.

His statement is reductive. Taken literally it is demonstrably false, but I think we can take it that he's talking in more general terms: There will be rebellions. Which is demonstrably true. Or we could not and he's just wrong, but I'm not sure you can blame writing for what we decide he means.

minormiracle wrote...
The obvious counterargument is that the Starchild didn't create the Reapers. He found the "solution" to his problem only after the Reapers had already turned on whatever organic race created them.

My pet theory is that they wiped out organic life once already.

Any roads, it could be read that when he said "my solution" he meant "the solution of which I am a part", and also that his reference to the Citadel being "a part of him" that he is not just in "control" of the Reapers, but that he is the Reapers, and thus controls himself. But that might be pushing interpretation a little far.

minormiracle wrote...
If the Reapers can be used in any number of ways, then the Starchild has simply been misusing them this whole time by actively bringing about the termination of biological civilizations' development (the same end result as self induced synthetic rebellion) rather than intervening to preserve their potential for growth. We're still back to the yo dawg solution.

You're not accounting for the fact that he needs to keep techological progress from passing a certain level or he risks being left unable to enact any solution.

minormiracle wrote...
If preserving organic life without terminating the potential for growth past a certain point is impossible regardless of what else the Reapers might have done, then the Starchild never found a solution to his problem. His earlier solution was never workable at any time in history.

He's clearly not all that concerned about a species right to develop. He is protecting organic life largely in abstract. It is kept persistant as a concept rather than in the specific. You're misrepresenting his goal somewhat there.

[Nobrandminda]

I picked up on that right away. Couple that with the fact that EDI is loyal to her crew until the end the Geth only ever fight the quarians in self defense (or under the influence of the Reapers) and the whole "Creations rebelling against their creators" argument falls flat.

[dgumb]

That's a good point, OP and it reinforces my theory on the reapers.
They either aren't fully sentient, or they don't have free will. Otherwise how would the control ending work?
Either the reapers are fully self aware and sentient beings, or they are controlled by a higher intelligence (i.e. the catalyst). Or maybe they have free will most of the time, unless the catalyst decides to supercede it for whatever reason.

If this is true, then I further theorize that when you spoke to harbinger, sovereign, and the reaper on rannoch you aren't talking to the reaper. Might it be possible that what we thought have been interactions with sentient beings has really been us speaking to the catalyst this entire time? Speaking through the reapers, simply using them as his/its mouthpieces.

I know my theory has holes in it (e.g. the codex says that the reapers are a race of sentient machines, as does the opening crawl in ME2) but what the hell. Speculation for everyone.

[Alchemist4]

We will get this in the a future DLC.....exposing the Starchild for you who he truly is.

www.youtube.com/watch

[DocDoomII]

Voutsis1982 wrote...

Unless the Reapers survive the Kill All Synthetics ending, they're Synthetic.

minormiracle wrote...
If the Starchild created a solution to a problem, and that solution was the Reapers, how come the Reapers haven't rebelled against the Starchild yet?

You see, there's a second fleet of Super Reapers that periodically wipe out the first fleet of Regular Reapers, to prevent then from creating a killer AI while they're creating AIs.

That fleet of Super Reapers, of course, is periodically wiped out by a single massive Uber Reaper to prevent them from producing a killer AI.

The Uber Reaper is periodically killed by Ezio Auditore.

But he is dead now. Should we hope for Connor to take his place?

[alberta]

Why did star brat say something to the effect - their strategy or it isn't working anymore? What the heck did he mean?

[skiadopsendow]

Funkcase wrote...

Considering the starchild use's the term ''us'' when telling Shepard about control, and ''We already control him'' in regard to TIM, I consider it to be a Reaper, just different to the rest as it's their leader.

it's just harbinger trolling badly

[alberta]

Nobrandminda wrote...

I picked up on that right away. Couple that with the fact that EDI is loyal to her crew until the end the Geth only ever fight the quarians in self defense (or under the influence of the Reapers) and the whole "Creations rebelling against their creators" argument falls flat.

Watching the real history of the Quarians and the Geth was devestating to the Quarians - they were always in the wrong.