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[Icinix]

Nice pick up - didn't even pick up on that...

..as soon as Shep woke up in front of the relay I got busy slamming my face into the desk screaming What. The. Crap.

Now I feel like I need to do it a few more times for the flaws I missed.

[FellishBeast]

Wow. I knew his logic was flawed, but this....THIS...this is....yes...PROOF that BioWare is trolling us.

[CaliGuy033]

Funkcase wrote...

Considering the starchild use's the term ''us'' when telling Shepard about control, and ''We already control him'' in regard to TIM, I consider it to be a Reaper, just different to the rest as it's their leader.

Agreed.  In the full context of his conversation, it's pretty clear that he's not just some third-party sentient being who created the Reapers.

[Hingjon]

We all love the space magic!

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

This just keeps getting more and more depressing...

[alx119]

Because we're supposed to take him as a god. And I just refused to be rub in the face a god in the Mass Effect universe in the very last moment.

[sth128]

Here's a paradox for you:

This sentence is a lie.

Boom, I just blew your mind.

[crimzontearz]

hey Mac....

how does it feel?

[uzivatel]

Its going to take a hell of a writer to explain all those inconsistencies in a believable way...

[CheeseEnchilada]

Starchild: The galaxy's oldest troll. The more of his quotes I see in print, the less likely I am to entertain the thought that we're meant to take him seriously. It's just too depressing an idea.

[FemmeShep]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Considering the starchild use's the term ''us'' when telling Shepard about control, and ''We already control him'' in regard to TIM, I consider it to be a Reaper, just different to the rest as it's their leader.

Agreed.  In the full context of his conversation, it's pretty clear that he's not just some third-party sentient being who created the Reapers.

Actually, he says I created the solution. Then switches to Us later on.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 28 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

Ever see a dude who is super late for work, rush out of his house and to his car without any pants on? Yeah, I expect the ending is a lot like that.

[Graphf]

Yet another example of how Bioware and the writers are possibly the most untalented people in the history of videogame writing/story telling.

Honestly, if any of you writers/bioware employes read this, you should be ashamed and embarrassed. How do you sleep at night?seriously?

[nevar00]

I get the feeling that you're trying to say something. Almost that the ending was a shoddily written mess, and that... nah that can't be it.

[BoricuaHLM]

Holy crap you're right, never thought about this till now, kudos to you.

[Orthodox Infidel]

minormiracle wrote...

So I've seen a lot of great arguments against the poorly written ending, including the hilarious" yo dawg I heard you didn't wanna be killed by synthetics," but going over the dialogue again I realized the starchild contradicted himself even earlier.

Starchild: I control the Reapers. They are my solution.
Shepard: Solution? To what?
Starchild: Chaos. The created will always rebel against their creators.

If the Starchild created a solution to a problem, and that solution was the Reapers, how come the Reapers haven't rebelled against the Starchild yet? They are without doubt the longest living civilization within the galaxy, yet they haven't turned against their creator.

This is a very good observation.

Also, an additional one on top of it: The Starchild claims that chaos is bad, because these rebellions will certainly lead to the eradication of all organic life, not that rebellions are bad in and of themselves. Even the Reapers rebelling against Starchild would not be sufficient to prove Starchild right; the Reapers would then have to kill everything.

Edited for clarity.

Modifié par Orthodox Infidel, 28 mars 2012 - 09:03 .

[donnyWOW]

They have never rebelled, because they are the union of synthetic and organic matter. Starchild talks only about pure synthetics...

[Ghostjs]

Nobrandminda wrote...

I picked up on that right away. Couple that with the fact that EDI is loyal to her crew until the end the Geth only ever fight the quarians in self defense (or under the influence of the Reapers) and the whole "Creations rebelling against their creators" argument falls flat.

So that means that the geth threatened to wipe out organic life because the starchild took control of them. He is causing the problem so that he can continue to use his solution. interesting.

[Barbie__Boy]

obviously he is part of the reapers and someone else created them...
so who did create them?
and if he is corect they must have rebelled against them, so after they rebelled and freed themself they decided that rebelling synthetics is bad and started "saving" organic...

you know what, I don't care how stupid the logic
how the F*** did this cycle even start? I doubt synthetics would start it by their own choice so that must mean organic started it

so a ancient race created synthetics that rebelled and threatened to destroy all organics
obviously this must mean that the race was weaker then the synthetics yet they were still able to build synthetics that was able to defeat them to start the cycle...

maybe it was a crazy scientist..

[Ziggeh]

Ghostjs wrote...

So that means that the geth threatened to wipe out organic life because the starchild took control of them. He is causing the problem so that he can continue to use his solution. interesting.

When did the geth threaten to wipe out all organic life? Or do you mean some organic life? As in "help the reapers achieve their goals". Yes, the Reapers attempting to achieve the Reapers goals is definitely a plot hole.

[Ziggeh]

Barbie__Boy wrote...

how the F*** did this cycle even start?

I think that's part of the key question. Why do they place value in the continued existence of low level organic life?

[RenownedRyan]

Nice catch.

[Element Zero]

As one of my employees once said about a regional manager, "everything coming out of his mouth smells like bull#%^+". They really ruined the game with this stupid ass kid.

[Voutsis1982]

DocDoomII wrote...

Voutsis1982 wrote...

minormiracle wrote...
If the Starchild created a solution to a problem, and that solution was the Reapers, how come the Reapers haven't rebelled against the Starchild yet?

You see, there's a second fleet of Super Reapers that periodically wipe out the first fleet of Regular Reapers, to prevent then from creating a killer AI while they're creating AIs.

That fleet of Super Reapers, of course, is periodically wiped out by a single massive Uber Reaper to prevent them from producing a killer AI.

The Uber Reaper is periodically killed by Ezio Auditore.

But he is dead now.

Like it needs to make now.

[Ghostjs]

Ziggeh wrote...

When did the geth threaten to wipe out all organic life? Or do you mean some organic life? As in "help the reapers achieve their goals". Yes, the Reapers attempting to achieve the Reapers goals is definitely a plot hole.

Unless i am rembering it wrong, the starchild listed the geth as an example of synthetic life trying to wipe out organics.