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[Humakt83]

Starchild is a reaper manifestation in Shepard's indoctrination dream. Their final attempt so far to persuade Shepard to join their cause.

He appears godlike because indoctrinated subjects tend to view Reapers as deities. His frame is exactly like the child from the start and one of the echoes in his voice is always Shepard. That is NOT a coincidence.

Starchild's logic is flawed, yes, but the fact that so many people did not suspect anything sinister behind his words is telling. Shepard can't argue with him, because he is so close to indoctrination, it is up to the player to see it through and guide Shepard to safety.

Modifié par Humakt83, 28 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[Bedevil123]

circular logic

[DasGota]

I... hadn't thought about that.

...Suddenly all my rage at the ending has resurfaced.

[Untamed_skies]

In a nutshell couldn't the easiest explanation for the logic of harbinger/starchild/god/insert noun here, IS wrong? I mean I get that it doesn't think it's wrong but at the end of the day there is nothing that says it is right. It has it's opinion for better or for worse and has decided it must be right.

The problem isn't that harbinger/starchild/god/insert noun here, has flawless logic it's that Sheppard doesn't disagree with him/it. It's kinda like two guys debating about religion isn't it? You're not going to convince a devote Christian to convert to Buddhism, so trying to convince harbinger/starchild/god/insert noun here, that his entire way of thinking for the last hundred million years or so probably won't work. What is so distressing too us is Sheppard's logic no?

"We must fight, we can do this, we're not going to die here......That is a very good point kid,"

[NM_Che56]

Here's my take. This stuff only makes sense to someone who got toasted by a capital ship death ray of death. Shep is out of it. Lol

[Ziggeh]

Untamed_skies wrote...
The problem isn't that harbinger/starchild/god/insert noun here, has flawless logic it's that Sheppard doesn't disagree with him/it

I just assumed she was a bit concussed.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

minormiracle wrote...
Starchild: I control the Reapers. They are my solution.
Shepard: Solution? To what?
Starchild: Chaos. The created will always rebel against their creators.

If the Starchild created a solution to a problem, and that solution was the Reapers, how come the Reapers haven't rebelled against the Starchild yet? They are without doubt the longest living civilization within the galaxy, yet they haven't turned against their creator.
.

Huh. Yeah. That.

[Kratz]

Starchild = Harbinger
/end thread

[Untamed_skies]

Ziggeh wrote...

Untamed_skies wrote...
The problem isn't that harbinger/starchild/god/insert noun here, has flawless logic it's that Sheppard doesn't disagree with him/it

I just assumed she was a bit concussed.

Haha, that's a fair point.

[BloodClaw95]

He said he controls them, not that he created them. Shepard can control the Reapers (control option), doesn't mean he created the Reapers.

Wait-what am I saying? Starchild is evil!!!

Modifié par BloodClaw95, 28 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[AkeasharK]

The answer is easy... The Catalyst has gone Daisy Bell. You don't expect an insane AI to follow any reasonable form of logic do you?

[Fail_Inc]

zarnk567 wrote...

HEY WE ARE SUPPOSED TO SPECULATE NOT POINT OUT FACTS.

EXACTLY! xD

[gmboy902]

Starchild logic.

In order to prevent synthetic life from wiping out organic life, he creates synthetic life to wipe out organic life. In order to prevent rebellious synthetic creations, he creates synthetics.

[Untamed_skies]

gmboy902 wrote...

Starchild logic.

In order to prevent synthetic life from wiping out organic life, he creates synthetic life to wipe out organic life. In order to prevent rebellious synthetic creations, he creates synthetics.

I think the logic was closer too he destroys the advanced civilizations before they create synthetics that would rebel and destroy advanced and primitive organic civilizations? The Reapers are the better solution because at least they leave primitive races alone, and some old races become blood of cuttlefish?

It's not much better by any means, but it makes a tiny bit more sense in that context.

[BloodClaw95]

Untamed_skies wrote...

gmboy902 wrote...

Starchild logic.

In order to prevent synthetic life from wiping out organic life, he creates synthetic life to wipe out organic life. In order to prevent rebellious synthetic creations, he creates synthetics.

I think the logic was closer too he destroys the advanced civilizations before they create synthetics that would rebel and destroy advanced and primitive organic civilizations? The Reapers are the better solution because at least they leave primitive races alone, and some old races become blood of cuttlefish?

It's not much better by any means, but it makes a tiny bit more sense in that context.

N-No. It's not something you can comprehend...

[Delta_V2]

Ok, reading those lines again, I've just realized there is yet another contradiction. The starchild talks about fighting chaos, but then goes on about the created inevitably rebelling against the creator. Being able to predict an outcome with 100% certainty is basically the opposite of chaos.

One of these statements is an outright lie.

[Wildhide]

Oh man, I didn't even catch that particular piece of stupid.

[MB957]

and that my friends...is why I shoot shiny boy right in the daddybags every chance I get!

[Wildhide]

AkeasharK wrote...

The answer is easy... The Catalyst has gone Daisy Bell. You don't expect an insane AI to follow any reasonable form of logic do you?

The ending would have been better if he just started singing it in slow motion halfway through his first sentence and the game had cut to black.

[TheSneric]

my head hurts from thinking about starchilds "logic"

[eventhewaves]

Delta_V2 wrote...

Ok, reading those lines again, I've just realized there is yet another contradiction. The starchild talks about fighting chaos, but then goes on about the created inevitably rebelling against the creator. Being able to predict an outcome with 100% certainty is basically the opposite of chaos.

One of these statements is an outright lie.

Nice.

Wish I'd thought of that one.

[Untamed_skies]

BloodClaw95 wrote...

N-No. It's not something you can comprehend...

Haha, well then any speculation on the issue doesn't matter. The contradictions aren't contradictions just logic beyond our feeble mortal understanding. I guess either way the problem is solved.

[Ziggeh]

Untamed_skies wrote...

It's not much better by any means, but it makes a tiny bit more sense in that context.

I think that depends on your perspective. From the position of Shepard et al theirs not difference at all, but Space Boy probably sees it as quite a sweet deal for organics, what with the getting to exist in the first place.

[shepskisaac]

Reapers are synthetics, but they're not AIs. Key difference.

[TheMerchantMan]

Further:

The Catalyst, a synthetic is protecting organics from synthetics by killing them. Because synthetics will always rebel against organics. Yet he himself, again a synthetic is ostensibly trying to protect organics, something he says synthetics are inevitably incapable of doing.

He is a walking contradiction. Or using insane troll logic.There's no way someone could have wrote this and thought it wasn't crap.