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sistersafetypin wrote...

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No, according to the codex and the wiki, daughters of pureblood create AY (Genetic defect) mating with anyone, but on that same logic I am pretty sure that if two purebloods mate you will definetly get AY (like playing Roulette with a revoler loaded with 6 bullets)


Where id the 1/8 krogan from? Has you FemShep been tapping Wrex/Wreve/Grunt and polluting your pool?


Liara's mothers = Benezia & Aethyta. 

Aethyta's parents = a former Asari commando and a Krogan

Guys, there's no chance that if Liara and Shepard have kids they will be AY. If Liara isn't, proof of that is that Shepard still lives after ME1, then it just won't happen.

It'd be a tad different if Liara had children with another asari. They'd probably be AY, yeah.

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I went with Liara because she was the only lesbian option (irl lesbian not a guy here.) I liked her change in personality in ME2 though so I stuck with her (though before LotSB may have cheated with Tali or Jack had the S/S romances not been yanked out before release.)

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MPSai wrote...

I went with Liara because she was the only lesbian option (irl lesbian not a guy here.) I liked her change in personality in ME2 though so I stuck with her (though before LotSB may have cheated with Tali or Jack had the S/S romances not been yanked out before release.)


I know she looks like a woman, but I've never got why people consider her a lesbian option. That's like calling a mono-gendered plant gay.

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

MPSai wrote...

I went with Liara because she was the only lesbian option (irl lesbian not a guy here.) I liked her change in personality in ME2 though so I stuck with her (though before LotSB may have cheated with Tali or Jack had the S/S romances not been yanked out before release.)


I know she looks like a woman, but I've never considered her a lesbian. That's like calling a mono-gendered plant gay.

Liara is not technically a lesbian, but the femShep who romances her is.

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Well I am a fan of both of them and I romanced Tali.

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

MPSai wrote...

I went with Liara because she was the only lesbian option (irl lesbian not a guy here.) I liked her change in personality in ME2 though so I stuck with her (though before LotSB may have cheated with Tali or Jack had the S/S romances not been yanked out before release.)


I know she looks like a woman, but I've never got why people consider her a lesbian option. That's like calling a mono-gendered plant gay.


Mono-gendered plant doesn't have ****** and a perfect figure.

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Golden Owl wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

MPSai wrote...

I went with Liara because she was the only lesbian option (irl lesbian not a guy here.) I liked her change in personality in ME2 though so I stuck with her (though before LotSB may have cheated with Tali or Jack had the S/S romances not been yanked out before release.)


I know she looks like a woman, but I've never considered her a lesbian. That's like calling a mono-gendered plant gay.

Liara is not technically a lesbian, but the femShep who romances her is.


Ah, never considered that.

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I loved liara since ouer first encounter in me1 she was something extra...a exotic fruit that i needed to taste

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Yep OP, I don't get the attraction to Liara either...in fact I find her behaviour rather disturbing and very unhealthy myself....but if I am to guess, it's not her behaviour that a large number of fans are thinking about (not all fans, but many), though as woman, the lesbian action blue space chic doesn't do a damned thing for me.

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Golden Owl wrote...

Yep OP, I don't get the attraction to Liara either...in fact I find her behaviour rather disturbing and very unhealthy myself....but if I am to guess, it's not her behaviour that a large number of fans are thinking about (not all fans, but many), though as woman, the lesbian action blue space chic doesn't do a damned thing for me.

I don't know if you read all the thread, but most people here are putting her personality first, not the chance to see some girl on girl action.

Anyhoo, to each their own.

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AlexiusDAlex wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Yep OP, I don't get the attraction to Liara either...in fact I find her behaviour rather disturbing and very unhealthy myself....but if I am to guess, it's not her behaviour that a large number of fans are thinking about (not all fans, but many), though as woman, the lesbian action blue space chic doesn't do a damned thing for me.

I don't know if you read all the thread, but most people here are putting her personality first, not the chance to see some girl on girl action.

Anyhoo, to each their own.

I have read various comments on a number of threads relating to Liara over the time I have been on the Forum, the girl on girl action and 'blue space babe' thing has had enough attention I feel to warrent my comment....note I say 'many' not 'all'.

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Well, in ME1 she was nice and sweet so it was easy. I appreciate coldness and ruthlessness as well so wasn't bothered when she became harsher in 2 and 3.


I loved her in ME1, but I couldn't keep romancing her after her personality change in ME2. She just rubbed me the wrong way.

She does still make a great friend, though.

Modifié par Esoretal, 29 mars 2012 - 01:20 .


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She's bland and so vanilla people can taste any flavor they choose.

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This quote nest was from a previous thread a few days ago, but it expresses my opinions well:

Skyblade012 wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

Tali is also about the only LI that really cares for Shepard ...

Bulls#!t. Liara goes through hell for Shepard when everyone else left him to rot. She tracks down his dead body, steals it from the Blue Suns before they can deliver it to the Collectors, then takes it to Miranda so the Lazarus Project can bring him back to life. If you question her on Ilium, she feels guilty about turning you over to Cerberus and admits that she did it all because she just couldn't stand to lose you.

As for not being a shallow one night stand, Liara makes you promise in LotSB that you'll always come back alive before continuing the relationship. They even talk about marriage, lots of little blue children, and old age. The gifts she gives Shepard and their conversations are also deep and thoughtful. For me, all of that pales in comparison to the thing that really tips the scale in her favor: as part of being an asari, she is the only love interest that can ever truly understand Shepard. With the burden on his shoulders, that is very important. They can become one with each other during the joining... sharing emotions, thoughts and memories. This is where the only thing I didn't like about the Tali romance (at least in ME2) comes in: the way Tali describes her feelings makes it sound like hero worship. Liara feels like she treats you as an equal. Also, sure, Tali is a nerd (tech expert)... but so is Liara (archaeologist).

Of course, it doesn't hurt that the sex is great either. Liara would have several things going for her in that regard. 1) Asari are some of the most (if not the most) powerful biotics. I imagine the two of them (my Shepard is also a strong biotic) could find some uses for that. 2) Asari can join their nervous systems together and are able to consciously control nerve stimulation. 3) Asari are just naturally comfortable and confident with expressing their sexuality. Contrary to rumors and wishful thinking, this does not mean that they are more promiscuous.

You know what they say: "Once you go blue, nothing else will do."

To expand a bit.  This is my opinion only, and others are of course welcome to their own, but I'll try to explain as best I can.

I believe that Liara is the only perfect match for Shepard.

Tali's romance is too much of a case of hero worship.  Tali can't ever see Shepard failing.  Tali can't ever conceive or believe Shepard being wrong, or being weak.  Liara can.  Liara is always, always there, whenever Shepard wavers, and not only knows what is eating at Shepard, and why, but knows what to bring up and how to talk things around to get Shepard back in the game.  Tali doesn't really think Shepard needs her.  It's as though Shepard is gracing Tali with the romance, rather than a relationship of equals.  As awesome as Tali is, she's just not right for Shepard.

Ashley is too guarded.  Ashley can't just trust Shepard.  While she would never have Tali's issue of seeing Shepard as someone above her, she still can't just take Shepard's word about what is going on.  Shepard has to work way too hard for her trust.  Relationships are built on trust, and Ashley just doesn't trust Shepard.  Too much has happened, they've been broken apart too much, and Ashley just isn't able to rebuild what was lost.

Liara is perfect.  She never questions Shepard's positions.  She knows that, whatever happens, Shepard will always be Shepard, will always hold Shepard's views and morals true, no matter what (which is why the ending is a betrayal to her as well, as Shepard backs down from her own morals and accepts those of the enemy).  She knows that if Shepard is working for Cerberus, it's for a dang good reason, one Shepard believes is absolutely necessary.  Yet she also knows that Shepard is not infallible.  She calls out Shepard for self-doubt, or for getting run down and depressed as things go to hell.  And Shepard calls her out as well, for her own self-doubt, or the times when she gets too distant from the universe.  The two anchor off each other.  Each gives the other the eternal port in the storm.  No matter where Shepard goes, Liara will always be there when Shepard needs her, and vice versa.  Be that fighting through a fleet of Reapers, or just needing a hand off the floor of the cabin.

She's the only one who understands fully both Shepard, and the threat they face.  She's the one who realizes the chance for failure, who plans against it, and plans to save as much as she can should everything fail.  She also is the only one who understands that they need not weather this storm.  That they can leave, fly away in peace, and let the galaxy die.  But that they won't.  That neither one would let that happen.  That they are there, bearing the brunt of the storm, by choice.  Liara and Shepard can both entertain the idea "why does the galaxy need me", but they both know the answer, without even having to vocalize it.

It is the only relationship with such a beautiful level of understanding.  I'm probably not expressing it well, but I truly believe there have been few relationships written, especially in the gaming media, with this brilliant level of open emotion and understanding between the partners.

Someone later thought the underlined statement wasn't necessarily a good thing, but they misinterpreted what he was saying. He wasn't saying that she'll just go along with whatever Shepard wants because she's a doormat. He was saying that she doesn't need him to constantly explain his motivations or convince her that he's doing the right thing, because she knows who he is and how he thinks better than anyone else ever could.

The Geth/Quarian missions in 2 and 3 showed (to me) that Tali still doesn't trust Shepard to do the right thing even though he has proven himself countless times. Sure, she trusts him when it doesn't matter to her, but when it's personal her faith waivers. The Thessia mission showed how Liara understands the gravity of the situation and trusts that if Shepard is making a tough call, he has a damned good reason. She expresses how much it hurts to watch some of the things happen (like their air support getting shot down), but she knows as well as Shepard that it is absolutely necessary.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 29 mars 2012 - 01:28 .


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Regarding Tali -- Rannoch in 3 shows her trusting shepard at least in the romance. She follows your lead even if it kills the fleet and kills herself after. Also the romance shows her not so much hero worshiping but simply putting her faith in the man she loves. She even says that at some point.

As for ME2 not sure where she shows that. On the Heretic base she states her opinion but follows your lead. I think they both show a little hero worship here and there but not badly.

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Liara all the way anyone who disagrees...

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Sucks for newcomes to the series, they only get one choice being Liara if they choose kaiden as survivor.

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lomifeh wrote...

Regarding Tali -- Rannoch in 3 shows her trusting shepard at least in the romance. She follows your lead even if it kills the fleet and kills herself after. Also the romance shows her not so much hero worshiping but simply putting her faith in the man she loves. She even says that at some point.

She "follows your lead" by telling you not to do it and then killing herself instead of waiting until after the final conflict?

How do these lines not sound like hero worship? It's practically the definition. Plus, when he says he has feelings for her too, she is shocked like she didn't believe it was possible... as if he was above someone like her.

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CDHarrisUSF wrote...

lomifeh wrote...

Regarding Tali -- Rannoch in 3 shows her trusting shepard at least in the romance. She follows your lead even if it kills the fleet and kills herself after. Also the romance shows her not so much hero worshiping but simply putting her faith in the man she loves. She even says that at some point.

She "follows your lead" by telling you not to do it and then killing herself instead of waiting until after the final conflict?

How do these lines not sound like hero worship? It's practically the definition. Plus, when he says he has feelings for her too, she is shocked like she didn't believe it was possible... as if he was above someone like her.


And she states why. because she doesn't think anyone would see inside the suit.  So not too surprising considering her shyness.  And yes she has a bit of hero worship, then again Liara does too.  Both are good romances and neither is bad.  I am not getting the Tali hate really.

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KingKhan03 wrote...

Liara all the way anyone who disagrees...

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A yellow mist from a broken bathroom pipe will turn you from having black hair brown eyes to blond and blue eyed?

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I'm not hating on Tali. She's my second choice. I'm just explaining why, in my mind, there is no competition for the first place spot. My ending banner thread started because I wanted to show Tali some love too... then decided I might as well do the rest of the important characters.

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Man I can't tell you why I love Liara I just do! Lol I have grown to really like her character and she is my favorite LI.. I like everything Liara so I can't pinpoint you to a specific something lol

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I chose her because she treats Shepard with respect and dignity unlike Ashley and Miranda.

Ashley constantly reminds Shepard about how she dislikes aliens with sweeping generalizations to the point where she lets that discrimination effect the overall goal or mission. She doesn't trust Shepard in several moments, and my Shepard has a low tolerance for ignorance in mistrust. Not to mention that she belittles you in many occasions. I don't think the person trying to save the galaxy needs to be belittled by her. She acts like she's talking to a commoner rather than the guy who is a hero trying to save the galaxy.

Miranda acts like a class A something the first time you meet her. She improves as things move forward, but my Shepard never lets anyone step on him. She does it a lot less than Ashley does, so that definitely gives her a plus.

Liara was very nice and kind. Treats Shepard with respect and for the hero he is. Gives him the credit he deserves. Very easy to romance. She loves him more than death itself by trying to resurrect him. Never distrusts him. Never insults him. Never lets her opinions supersede Shepard's in a condescending way. That's not to say that I like my women submissive, but I feel like it is out of character and plain arrogant for an LI to walk all over Shepard since he is hero and a legend.

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Well, maybe she's just not your type. Simple as that. She's not my type, either - but that doesn't mean she's not a lot of other people's type. :P It doesn't mean they are wrong.

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CDHarrisUSF wrote...

lomifeh wrote...

Regarding Tali -- Rannoch in 3 shows her trusting shepard at least in the romance. She follows your lead even if it kills the fleet and kills herself after. Also the romance shows her not so much hero worshiping but simply putting her faith in the man she loves. She even says that at some point.

She "follows your lead" by telling you not to do it and then killing herself instead of waiting until after the final conflict?

How do these lines not sound like hero worship? It's practically the definition. Plus, when he says he has feelings for her too, she is shocked like she didn't believe it was possible... as if he was above someone like her.


Sorry, if hero worship is a point against Tali in ME2, it's at least 5 points against Liara in ME1.