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[Ultra Prism]

if romanced in ME1 then Liara says I love you in ME3 romance ... otherwise she just want have a good time

[SilentPhenomed]

In ME1 she was super kind and innocent. In ME2, it's like.... night and day. In ME3, she's like how she was in ME2. But overall, her tone and presentation...and voice....are very calm and subtle. Significantly, she STAYS. LOYAL. TO. SHEPARD. She's the reason why Shepard was even able to get to Cerberus and away from the Shadow Broker, to be revived and given a chance to fight the reapers.

[KingKhan03]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Liara all the way anyone who disagrees...

A yellow mist from a broken bathroom pipe will turn you from having black hair brown eyes to blond and blue eyed?

Yes.

[CDHarrisUSF]

Streambeck wrote...

Sorry, if hero worship is a point against Tali in ME2, it's at least 5 points against Liara in ME1.

In the beginning, she just says Shepard is fascinating. He wasn't really much of a hero at that point. We hadn't done much of anything by the time they met. In my interpretation of the events of Mass Effect, she started off by treating Shepard as another artifact to be researched because of his experience with the Prothean beacon... as you might expect from an introverted archaeologist who studied Prothean ruins and artifacts. Then, she learns that there is more to Shepard than that and falls for him in the process. At least, that's how I always saw it.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 29 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[Shallyah]

I think Liara has a lot of fans because

1. She's presented from the beginning as the main romance choice.
2. She's playboy girl with huge breasts from space.
3. She's into both genders, vastly widening her possibilities. Many Liara's fans play femshep. Most of them are male IRL.
4. She gets much more spotlight than any other crewmate. Even when she's not in the crew.


Could say she's the obvious mainstream option. When I see those polls that pop up every second day, I'm always surprised how characters like Garrus and Tali are that close to Liara as the favorite ME squadmate... you know, considering that one is ass ugly and the other wears a helmet 24/7, both have straight-only sexual orientation, aren't incredibly attractive physically and show diferent personality flaws.

I guess all hope is not lost yet for the world in which we live.

Modifié par Shallyah, 29 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[Streambeck]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

Streambeck wrote...

Sorry, if hero worship is a point against Tali in ME2, it's at least 5 points against Liara in ME1.

In the beginning, she just says Shepard is fascinating. He wasn't really much of a hero at that point. We hadn't done much of anything by the time they met. In my interpretation of the events of Mass Effect, she started off by treating Shepard as another artifact to be researched because of his experience with the Prothean beacon... as you might expect from an introverted archaeologist who studied Prothean ruins and artifacts. Then, in the process, she learns that there is more to him than that and falls for him. At least, that's how I always saw it.

I can respect that. It's not how I personally perceived that relationship, or Liara's attitude, but I could see someone easily enough seeing it differently than I did.

[CDHarrisUSF]

Streambeck wrote...

I can respect that. It's not how I personally perceived that relationship, or Liara's attitude, but I could see someone easily enough seeing it differently than I did.

Fair enough.

[Stokie Stallion]

towards end of mass effect 3 she won me over, been a big ashley fan from the beginning liked her cause shes sweet etc but tough. Liara... shes always been there got to be the most loyal crew member (1 of them!!) but when she came in with her "project" that struck home that was too sweet for just a friend.


Before the final battle you talk to her she mind melds with you and you fly past stars in a beautiful atmosphere she rests her head on my shoulders, just a friend but jesus that hit home, replaying ME romancing her painful to reject ashley but its always been painful to turn liara down

[Shallyah]

Stokie Stallion wrote...

towards end of mass effect 3 she won me over, been a big ashley fan from the beginning liked her cause shes sweet etc but tough. Liara... shes always been there got to be the most loyal crew member (1 of them!!) but when she came in with her "project" that struck home that was too sweet for just a friend.


Before the final battle you talk to her she mind melds with you and you fly past stars in a beautiful atmosphere she rests her head on my shoulders, just a friend but jesus that hit home, replaying ME romancing her painful to reject ashley but its always been painful to turn liara down

She does both of those things even when you don't romance her.

As I said... too much spotlight...

I don't mind her or have anything against her, she's a nice girl. Just wish your own LI choice had more time with Shepard than someone that for you is a random crewmember.

[ediskrad327]

with Love?

[JackofStaves]

Axolotl Shepard wrote...

 I was trying to romance her, but I just can't get into her character. Why do all you people love her? Like what special trait does she have that makes you want to romance her?

Note: I've romanced a bunch of characters throughout the series. Just not Liara. Once I came here, I was flooded by all the Liara images, blue baby references, and what not. So it made me wonder. Why does everyone love her?

1.  She's hot and sensitive.

2.  She's hot and sensitive.

[noxsachi]

I think it matters how quickly you enjoyed her. If you liked her in ME1 and 2, then in 3 her behaviour is pretty awesome. However I was never sold on her, but in 3 they write her so as to force her on you at every opportunity. She isn't as bad as Wesley...but instead of letting me choose to like her or not, they automatically assume I think she is awesome.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Liara is perfect. 

And that's why I don't like Liara's writing. She's too perfect. Everything she does makes everyone pale in comparison and so do all of her physical and combat traits. NO mortal man or woman can do such a thing or exist in such a way. Shep gets a free pass because Shep is the protagonist of the series, and Shepard can be written to be as perfect or as flawed as we want. But not Liara, who seemingly has all the answers and all the ideas, who can push the plot like a bodybuilder can push an empty pram, and knows Shepard better than the back of her own hand.

Compare Tali on the other hand. In ME2 during her loyalty mission, despite the admiration that she has for Shepard, she makes it pretty clear that she has her own opinion on how things should be, and she makes that abundantly clear to him. Despite all the reverence she has for him as a person, she's still willing to defy him on personal grounds. Yet, these grounds are also for her people. If Shepard exposed her father, it wouldn't just make the dead guy look bad. It would devastate the fleet and the geth situation would be shoehorned into an excuse for war. It'd be a huge mess and that's why even if Tali gets exiled, she doesn't mind it so much. She's very self-opinionated but uses that opinion in favor of others. When Legion uploads data, she plans to shoot it. Why? Because the fleet is being endangered. Time and again Tali will do something that Shepard, despite how she feels about him, does not or may not approve of, because of how she feels towards other people as the whole.

That is to say, Liara knows Shepard better, but she coalesces with him too smoothly. She doesn't really disagree with him on anything pre-Thessia. Tali on the other hand, is willing to defy Shepard's opinions for the sake of 17 million people who are seriously up the creek without a boat, much less a paddle. She's willing to object for something that SHE believes in, even if she knows it means she's not as perfect as Shepard is.

It's when you take Rannoch and reunite the geth and quarians, where she thanks Shepard for making a decision that she knows she never would've made. She out and out admits she's not always right, and by default admits that she doesn't always try to be "right," but if she had wiped the geth and taken the safe route, while perhaps not as "impressive" as what Shep did, she definitely would've saved her people. She doesn't go for the heroics. She goes for what she believes in, and what she knows will save her people in the end.

[Dreaming Dead]

BloodClaw95 wrote...

Very...carefully...

I read that in Tali's voice

[Stokie Stallion]

Shallyah wrote...

Stokie Stallion wrote...

towards end of mass effect 3 she won me over, been a big ashley fan from the beginning liked her cause shes sweet etc but tough. Liara... shes always been there got to be the most loyal crew member (1 of them!!) but when she came in with her "project" that struck home that was too sweet for just a friend.


Before the final battle you talk to her she mind melds with you and you fly past stars in a beautiful atmosphere she rests her head on my shoulders, just a friend but jesus that hit home, replaying ME romancing her painful to reject ashley but its always been painful to turn liara down

She does both of those things even when you don't romance her.

As I said... too much spotlight...

I don't mind her or have anything against her, she's a nice girl. Just wish your own LI choice had more time with Shepard than someone that for you is a random crewmember.

True but it was really nice to see shep and ashley say i love you but how sweet liara is i want see what she like if i told her i love her. i swear liara cries and blushes the most in this series shes very emotional and sweet, if you like good girls she is perfect

[mahlerbone]

She's amazing. I think out of all the characters her personality changed the most. Ali Hillis did an amazing job with Liara's voice as well. You really feel like Liara grew between all 3 games.

[somewherenoplace]

Liara is by far the most devoted by the developers as she get's the best romance scenes in the game and is definitely the most integral throughout the games. She also got the best DLC for the whole series.

However I always choose Liara because she grows as a character in a positive way and I've always been attracted to people who are there own person and don't need you, but enjoy you so they want you to be a part of your life. Liara was a very accomplished Prothean expert before she met me and became the Shadow broker. That's a powerful independent women.

Also the fact that she's a biotic suited my personal Shepard because she was a biotic of only slightly lesser ability than Shepard.

Liara also has an allure in that she can still have kids with you while still being far more interesting as a different species. Yes Kaiden can have my kid, but he doesn't have as much power, extensive intricacies, or devotion that Liara has.

To me, Liara was the most interesting, devoted, and attractive LI while also being perfectly developed by the devolopers.

I can see the case for Tali and Garrus as you arguably know them better than any other character, but it's all really a matter of preference. What I look for in a LI fit Liara, so I chose her. I don't get hostile about mine being better.

but... if Jack was a lesibian for Femshep, I'd be tempted. She's more powerful than I, interesting, dangerous, and incredibly tempting. Thank goodness she doesn't swing that way or else I might have an issue in ME2 before LotSB.

by the way, I posted this exactly in the newest LI thread. that's just my take on it

[sedrikhcain]

Shallyah wrote...

I think Liara has a lot of fans because

1. She's presented from the beginning as the main romance choice.
2. She's playboy girl with huge breasts from space.
3. She's into both genders, vastly widening her possibilities. Many Liara's fans play femshep. Most of them are male IRL.
4. She gets much more spotlight than any other crewmate. Even when she's not in the crew.


Could say she's the obvious mainstream option. When I see those polls that pop up every second day, I'm always surprised how characters like Garrus and Tali are that close to Liara as the favorite ME squadmate... you know, considering that one is ass ugly and the other wears a helmet 24/7, both have straight-only sexual orientation, aren't incredibly attractive physically and show diferent personality flaws.

I guess all hope is not lost yet for the world in which we live.

I don't think her breasts are ALL that big, unless you're talking about that awful, sexed-up doll of her. Her figure is very nice but it's not cartoonish -- and she stays pretty covered up except in the sex scenes.

[TudorWolf]

Dendio1 wrote...

Mass effect 1 she had the most adorable innocence about her. Mass effect 2 she saved your body and was the main reason you are not a reaper husk. mass effect 3 she puts your time capsule together and offers blue babies.
O yea...and she found schematics for the crucible
Put a ring on it already!

More or less this.

Her innocence thing made me fall head over heels for her in ME1. ME2 kinda threw a wobbly though, she seemed different (but you see the old Liara with the right dialogue). Then LotSB was awesome.


And ME3, she's still pretty awesome. The scene with her time capsule is one of my favorite bits of the series.

Liara is just great.

[sistersafetypin]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I think Liara has a lot of fans because

1. She's presented from the beginning as the main romance choice.
2. She's playboy girl with huge breasts from space.
3. She's into both genders, vastly widening her possibilities. Many Liara's fans play femshep. Most of them are male IRL.
4. She gets much more spotlight than any other crewmate. Even when she's not in the crew.


Could say she's the obvious mainstream option. When I see those polls that pop up every second day, I'm always surprised how characters like Garrus and Tali are that close to Liara as the favorite ME squadmate... you know, considering that one is ass ugly and the other wears a helmet 24/7, both have straight-only sexual orientation, aren't incredibly attractive physically and show diferent personality flaws.

I guess all hope is not lost yet for the world in which we live.

I don't think her breasts are ALL that big, unless you're talking about that awful, sexed-up doll of her. Her figure is very nice but it's not cartoonish -- and she stays pretty covered up except in the sex scenes.

And when Liara fans saw that doll, we banded together to get her breast size reduced. The doll that went on sale is not the same as the original..

Also, why is there such a need to understand why we like Liara? Is it not enough that we do? It's not like we make threads demanding people explain why they like other characters.

Also, Liara has her female fans. Believe it or not... some lesbians play the game. And Male or Female, we're not all completely shallow

[Tatsumaki]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Liara is perfect. 

Compare Tali on the other hand. In ME2 during her loyalty mission, despite the admiration that she has for Shepard, she makes it pretty clear that she has her own opinion on how things should be, and she makes that abundantly clear to him. 

I agree with DaftArbiter in the sense that Tali is for poor choice of words very real Each of us have this ideal image of a partner but realistically speaking, we are all different individuals. Disagreements will happen and difference of opinions exist.
Just think for one moment without metagaming knowledge, how would you play the Priority Rannoch Mission (and when i say without metagaming knowlege, this means also you do not know there will exist a Paragon / Renegade option for the Geth - Quarian confrontation)

I'll give you a simple example. It was only recently I played DA2 midway. I played DA2 as is without any form of spoilers or metagaming knowledge. I brought Bethany down to the Deep Roads.
Yeah, against my mother's wishes but fully supporting my sister Bethany's desire was the best option I  took at that time

How does this relate to ME3? The metagaming knowledge. Same with ME2. How would our actions differ during ME2 Tali's loyalty mission? Sell out her dad for the sake of the Quarian race? Protect her dad?
How about ME3? Don't upload data? What then will your answer be to Legion's question "Creator Zorah, does this unit have a soul?"

I think in that essense Tali's character was done well - kept real

[Emperor Iaius I]

Why her? Because she has a doctorate in archaeology, that's why. QED.

It also helps that her species is the most civilized in the galaxy.

As far as the claim that she's passive--that's only true if you play a paragon. She'll fight with a renegade, and object to his decisions.

sedrikhcain wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I think Liara has a lot of fans because

1. She's presented from the beginning as the main romance choice.
2. She's playboy girl with huge breasts from space.
3. She's into both genders, vastly widening her possibilities. Many Liara's fans play femshep. Most of them are male IRL.
4. She gets much more spotlight than any other crewmate. Even when she's not in the crew.


Could say she's the obvious mainstream option. When I see those polls that pop up every second day, I'm always surprised how characters like Garrus and Tali are that close to Liara as the favorite ME squadmate... you know, considering that one is ass ugly and the other wears a helmet 24/7, both have straight-only sexual orientation, aren't incredibly attractive physically and show diferent personality flaws.

I guess all hope is not lost yet for the world in which we live.

I don't think her breasts are ALL that big, unless you're talking about that awful, sexed-up doll of her. Her figure is very nice but it's not cartoonish -- and she stays pretty covered up except in the sex scenes.

She was pretty close to flat in ME1, which was perfectly fine with me. She's a scholar, not a stripper. 

[sedrikhcain]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Also, Liara has her female fans. Believe it or not... some lesbians play the game. And Male or Female, we're not all completely shallow

I am.

[sedrikhcain]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She was pretty close to flat in ME1, which was perfectly fine with me. She's a scholar, not a stripper. 

The main reason I picked up on this is because one of the guys at IGN, in his "second opinion" piece on ME3 said every woman in the game had huge breasts. I wanted to know what he was talking about because I didn't see it.

[Surgate]

You love her by throwing her out of the nearest airlock.

Wait? We were never able to do that?

Well can I get a dlc that gives me the option of throwing her out of the nearest airlock?