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[DarkSpider88]

Dendio1 wrote...

Mass effect 1 she had the most adorable innocence about her. Mass effect 2 she saved your body and was the main reason you are not a reaper husk. mass effect 3 she puts your time capsule together and offers blue babies.
O yea...and she found schematics for the crucible
Put a ring on it already!

This. I would argue that Liara is the most faithful squadmates in all the games. She literally helped bring Shepard back from the dead. Plus during ME1 I really liked her story, she needed someone to rely on with her mother going off the deep end.

[DevilBeast]

DaftArbiter wrote...

I got no issue with her as a platonic love for ManShep, but she simultaneously strikes me as Mary-Sue-ish (Super-smart, super-gifted biotic, lives for over 1000 years but is presently really youthful and sexy, ignores tragedy in her life until Thessia, etc.) as well as trying too hard (completely obsessed with Shepard and seemingly always agrees with him or bends over backwards).

That's why from ME2 on I always preferred Tali's character. Smart but not a nerd or braniac, feminine but not oversexualized, capable in combat but not a juggernaut, emotionally tough but clearly vulnerable, constantly goes out of her way to help others but is really grounded towards what she believes.

I think the writing of the latter is head and shoulders above the former, and that's why many of my romances feature Tali and none feature Liara. I base my choices off writing quality (I think Ashley is written okay, so I choose her a few times, for example) for the sake of literary enjoyment, and personally, I can't get much literary enjoyment out of the prospect of a Liara romance.

Actually, I´m pretty sure you can find plenty of people who will view Tali as a Mary-Sue charcter too. Even some of your descriptions of her are used to describe a Mary-Sue character.

But really; the ME universe is LITTERED with Mary´s and Stu´s, so yeah.

[ashwind]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

t_skwerl wrote...

Those big, beautiful... eyes. Those blue, blue eyes. You could fall in there and get lost.

Most of the time. Don't forget "that freaky black eyes eternity thing."

I actually find her more attractive when she does the "freaky black eyes eternity thing". 

[DevilBeast]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Oh I understand. I am not saying you specifically, I am really referencing the "talimancer" fanbase as a whole pretty much. Of course there are some civilized ones like yourself it seems, but the ones I come across... Oh boy!

Yeah, most of us are drooling, pathetic excuses for humanity. We're not beautiful and intelligent like the Liara or Ashley fans. True story.

To be honest; have you seen most of us Liara fans???? We can barely keep our thoughts together everytime we see a picture of Liara´s eyes or a sketch of an asari baby, lol

[SkitSkit]

How do you love Liara...

Well first I was all like "Ever since man first looked at the stars, he dreamed of making it with hot alien babes"

And then i was like "Well Ashley is a ****"

And then Liara was all like "You don't need to do that with me Shepard, i know this may be our last night"

And then i was all like "Hehe blue boobies"

Bear in mind I'm 16 at this stage... sooo yeah

So in comes ME 2 and I'm all like "Liara, it me, bow chicka bow wow"

and she's all like "No"

And I'm all "Whatever ****" but later I go "Why does it feel like my hearts in 1000 pieces?"

So then Tali's all like "Hey Shepard"

And I say "No, there is another" (At this stage I Left my IRL GF cause i felt like i was cheating on her, also she was a crazy ****, great in the sack but ****ing tapped)

And then LOTSB came out and she was all "Not now shepard"

and i was like "WHEN THEN LIARA!?!"

Then we killed that guy thing and she was all "If you just want to be friends"

And I was like "**** please, show me them blue ******"

and then ME 3 came, and Liara had some **** to do, but when i was down she was all "Hey" and when she was down i was all "Hey". and when **** hit the fan we were both like "Hehe, blue boobies"

So I think I love Liara because of blue ******.

Jks, Liara is my Waifu because she is loving and caring, a bit naive yet running a galactic information network, Distant but there when it counts, and god damn adorable. Oh, and in ME3, Liara with a Vanguard is the best double team ever. AND THOSE GOD DAMN BEDROOM EYES!?!

Blue ****** are a plus though

Modifié par SkitSkit, 29 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[DevilBeast]

Golden Owl wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

MPSai wrote...

I went with Liara because she was the only lesbian option (irl lesbian not a guy here.) I liked her change in personality in ME2 though so I stuck with her (though before LotSB may have cheated with Tali or Jack had the S/S romances not been yanked out before release.)

I know she looks like a woman, but I've never considered her a lesbian. That's like calling a mono-gendered plant gay.

Liara is not technically a lesbian, but the femShep who romances her is.

It´s funny how people care more about which gender ´Liara has than the fact that Shepard romancing another species.

[SkitSkit]

DevilBeast wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Oh I understand. I am not saying you specifically, I am really referencing the "talimancer" fanbase as a whole pretty much. Of course there are some civilized ones like yourself it seems, but the ones I come across... Oh boy!

Yeah, most of us are drooling, pathetic excuses for humanity. We're not beautiful and intelligent like the Liara or Ashley fans. True story.

To be honest; have you seen most of us Liara fans???? We can barely keep our thoughts together everytime we see a picture of Liara´s eyes or a sketch of an asari baby, lol

Yeah... but Have you seen those things!?! they are like DAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAtastic. I challenge anyone to look at an image of the asari baby with the N7 tags hovering above her face and not daw

[Mr.House]

Smart, beautiful, dry humor, adorable, interesting character, a good friend and just a joy to have around. That's my short version.

[SkitSkit]

DevilBeast wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

MPSai wrote...

I went with Liara because she was the only lesbian option (irl lesbian not a guy here.) I liked her change in personality in ME2 though so I stuck with her (though before LotSB may have cheated with Tali or Jack had the S/S romances not been yanked out before release.)

I know she looks like a woman, but I've never considered her a lesbian. That's like calling a mono-gendered plant gay.

Liara is not technically a lesbian, but the femShep who romances her is.

It´s funny how people care more about which gender ´Liara has than the fact that Shepard romancing another species.

"If it looks like a ****, feels like a ****, albeit a cold one, and you're attracted to it, their is a very high probabality you want to neck a reall one" - Jim Sterling

Nah, femshep is a lezza if she romanced Liara, Deal With It. I am quite ok with it as a matter of fact.

Love is Love man, and alien babes are super groovy, Dig?

Modifié par SkitSkit, 29 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[frylock23]

Axolotl Shepard wrote...

 I was trying to romance her, but I just can't get into her character. Why do all you people love her? Like what special trait does she have that makes you want to romance her?

Note: I've romanced a bunch of characters throughout the series. Just not Liara. Once I came here, I was flooded by all the Liara images, blue baby references, and what not. So it made me wonder. Why does everyone love her?

Don't feel bad. I never got into Liara either. In ME1 she just came off as a creepy mix of 12-year-old with a crush and super hot chick who was obviously set up to become the canon LI. I'm just not into 12-year-olds. I honestly was creeped out enough by her demeanor that I ignored her in most of my playthroughs and did try to leave her behind on Virmire.

Then in ME2 she retrieves your dead corpse and sells it to a terrorist organization which sets you up to be distrusted/disliked by most of your former friends and associates.

Finally, in ME3 she's sort of likeable, but by then, I have another LI, and she's still acting like she'd like nothing better than to hop into bed with me. She's walk a fine line between and friend and someone who's a little too jealous/possessive for my tastes.

So, no, I've never really been all that fond of Liara.

Modifié par frylock23, 29 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[ComfortablyNumb]

Liara romance sneaked on me in ME1. And I couldn't get out of it. And I don't like being forced into something. Plus, for me she was always the kid jumping up, yelling "pick me, pick me". So she mostly irritates me and I never use her. But I guess it's all matter of personal taste, just like with everything

Modifié par mrufka_z, 29 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

 As a qualifier, I just want to say that I think the ladies of Mass Effect are pretty darn fabulous.  I love them all and it frustrates me to see them placed in competition with each other.  To be honest it gets tiresome because it restricts their roles and agency in way that is somewhat insulting. These women are not defined by whether or not they deserve Shepard's love (I'd be more blunt but that's against the rules and I respect the rules here above all).  Come on, guys.

• Tali is smart, loyal, techygeekchic and brave.  She's got Shepards back unequivocally.  She contacted the Shadowbroker all on her own while on pilgrimmage despite the fact that she grew up in a very sheltered, very protective environment.  She volunteered to join Shepard on a very dangerous mission and joined up with him/her when Shepard was working with Cerberus, an avowed enemy who put the Migrant Fleet at risk.  

• Miranda is beautiful, daring, genius, magnificent and pragmatic.  She is also logical though not devoid of emotion and incredibly self-reliant.  For a female character to depicted in such a manor is incredibly rare and worthy of admiration.  Miranda Lawson helped bring Shepard back from the dead.  She also stood up to the Elusive Man on her own without a smidgen of fear and essentially enabled you to track down Cerberus down in the end.  

• Ashley is tough, strong, stubborn, and courageous.  She's pretty, has an excellent command of combat and is not afraid to hold fast to her beliefs.  She doesn't sacrifice who she is and makes it evident to Shepard that her flaws are what maker her human.  I know Ash gets a lot of flak for her perceived  "racism," but it's more a practicality about how people will do what they can to protect their own.  This shows street smarts and intelligent common sense.  What happens on Thessia proves her exactly correct in her views.

• Jack is powerful, crazy, and tough.  She survived an incredibly volatile childhood and become someone that other gifted children could rely upon.  She became dependable despite the fact that she's the "psychotic biotic."  I will be honest, however, in that I didn't really like in ME2 that she was the badgirl redeemed by manShep's true love and that there wasn't a path for friendship to do that for both Shepards (especially female).  I feel that has been redeemed in ME3 and Jack is learning that you can be tough and still be compassionate.  You can also be brave without sacrificing vulnerability.

• This brings me to Liara.  Liara is beautiful and kind.  She's also brilliant, socially awkward.  She loves too much; she loves too hard to the point that is overwhelming ( I love it by the way).  Unwilling to let Shepard die she recovers his/her body on the off chance that Cerberus will do what they say they can do.  She admits that her obsession with the Shadow Broker for two years was a mistake and I sense a bit of regret from time to time that she did in fact become the Broker.  The banter between the two of the them in the Lair DLC and ME3 felt so natural.  I really felt as if these two characters knew and respected each other, also that their love was built on sometime solid and something enduring.  This is why Liara is my canon and favorite pairing.  Other feel this way about the pairings they chose and that is fine, but there is absolutely no need to pit them against each other.

I know I've left off Samara, Kasumi, Kelly and Samantha, but I wanted to focus on the main love interests because it always seems to be an issue with these five ladies (which in and of itself is quite telling), but I maintain that the nonromanceable are just as awesome if not more so than some of the romanaceable.   Here is the truth of it: it's okay for women to be amazing.  Women can be powerful.  They can be brave.  I know, I know, imagine that.  They can be strong and they are worth more than sexual agency.  Furthermore, they can be badarse and know it.  They can be badarse and show it.

So stop with the Mary Sue nonsense.  In a game where the men get to be awesome and fabulous without any condemnation or acceptance of their ultra powerful depictions, let the women be seen in a similar vein.  Let them be seen as exceptional.

P.S. Sorry the tl:dr

Modifié par Village Idiot, 29 mars 2012 - 04:35 .

[kumquats]

Because she doesn't get the dinosaur joke in Ashes DLC, but could infiltrate the council, if she wanted to.

One point for nerdyness, nerds are sexy.
Second point for ultimate powa, because powerful women are sexy.
Third, she is an alien. (She spoke to my inner Captain Kirk.)

[Gotthammer666]

Village Idiot wrote...

 As a qualifier, I just want to say that I think the ladies of Mass Effect are pretty darn fabulous.  I love them all and it frustrates me to see them placed in competition with each other.  To be honest it gets tiresome because it restricts their roles and agency in way that is somewhat insulting. These women are not defined by whether or not they deserve Shepard's love (I'd be more blunt but that's against the rules and I respect the rules here above all).  Come on, guys.

[List of awesomeness]

I know I've left off Samara, Kasumi, Kelly and Samantha, but I wanted to focus on the main love interests because it always seems to be an issue with these five ladies (which in and of itself is quite telling), but I maintain that the nonromanceable are just as awesome if not more so than some of the romanaceable.   Here is the truth of it: it's okay for women to be amazing.  Women can be powerful.  They can be brave.  I know, I know, imagine that.  They can be strong and they are worth more than sexual agency.  Furthermore, they can be badarse and know it.  They can be badarse and show it


So stop with the Mary Sue nonsense.  In a game where the men get to be awesome and fabulous without any condemnation or acceptance of their ultra powerful depictions, let the women be seen in a similar vein.  Let them be seen as exceptional.

P.S. Sorry the tl:dr

You know, for a village idiot you're pretty smart

[Vasirr]

She's just.. I dunno. She's special. Maybe it's the blue.

[Kath]

Gotthammer666 wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

 As a qualifier, I just want to say that I think the ladies of Mass Effect are pretty darn fabulous.  I love them all and it frustrates me to see them placed in competition with each other.  To be honest it gets tiresome because it restricts their roles and agency in way that is somewhat insulting. These women are not defined by whether or not they deserve Shepard's love (I'd be more blunt but that's against the rules and I respect the rules here above all).  Come on, guys.

[List of awesomeness]

I know I've left off Samara, Kasumi, Kelly and Samantha, but I wanted to focus on the main love interests because it always seems to be an issue with these five ladies (which in and of itself is quite telling), but I maintain that the nonromanceable are just as awesome if not more so than some of the romanaceable.   Here is the truth of it: it's okay for women to be amazing.  Women can be powerful.  They can be brave.  I know, I know, imagine that.  They can be strong and they are worth more than sexual agency.  Furthermore, they can be badarse and know it.  They can be badarse and show it


So stop with the Mary Sue nonsense.  In a game where the men get to be awesome and fabulous without any condemnation or acceptance of their ultra powerful depictions, let the women be seen in a similar vein.  Let them be seen as exceptional.

P.S. Sorry the tl:dr

You know, for a village idiot you're pretty smart

I agree, that was a great post! 

[Descy_]

 Because, genericbluealiensexappeal.

I dont find her all that interesting at all, I have yet to romance her in a playthrough.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

DevilBeast wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I got no issue with her as a platonic love for ManShep, but she simultaneously strikes me as Mary-Sue-ish (Super-smart, super-gifted biotic, lives for over 1000 years but is presently really youthful and sexy, ignores tragedy in her life until Thessia, etc.) as well as trying too hard (completely obsessed with Shepard and seemingly always agrees with him or bends over backwards).

That's why from ME2 on I always preferred Tali's character. Smart but not a nerd or braniac, feminine but not oversexualized, capable in combat but not a juggernaut, emotionally tough but clearly vulnerable, constantly goes out of her way to help others but is really grounded towards what she believes.

I think the writing of the latter is head and shoulders above the former, and that's why many of my romances feature Tali and none feature Liara. I base my choices off writing quality (I think Ashley is written okay, so I choose her a few times, for example) for the sake of literary enjoyment, and personally, I can't get much literary enjoyment out of the prospect of a Liara romance.

Actually, I´m pretty sure you can find plenty of people who will view Tali as a Mary-Sue charcter too. Even some of your descriptions of her are used to describe a Mary-Sue character.

But really; the ME universe is LITTERED with Mary´s and Stu´s, so yeah.

I don't see how that's the case. Her character is written to have strengths, but she's littered with flaws that can and sometimes do prevent her from being able to be "better." 

One of the overriding characteristics of a Mary-Sue is the "always gets her way" aspect; being able to move mountains with minimal effort. Liara is a talented archaelogist, biotic, information broker, becomes the all-powerful and all-knowing Shadow Broker, etc. Tali? Keeps getting prodded into things by other people and doesn't always come through (Haestrom, Freedom's Progress, Admiralty, anyone?). Her weaknesses and incapabilities interfere with her chances to get things done that other characters might be able to do. A lot. 

[Barquiel]

One major factor as a Mary Sue is that everyone loves her. Liara isn't loved by everyone (Javik, Ashley). Tali on the other hand...

[dgcatanisiri]

frylock23 wrote...

Don't feel bad. I never got into Liara either. In ME1 she just came off as a creepy mix of 12-year-old with a crush and super hot chick who was obviously set up to become the canon LI. I'm just not into 12-year-olds. I honestly was creeped out enough by her demeanor that I ignored her in most of my playthroughs and did try to leave her behind on Virmire.

Then in ME2 she retrieves your dead corpse and sells it to a terrorist organization which sets you up to be distrusted/disliked by most of your former friends and associates.

Finally, in ME3 she's sort of likeable, but by then, I have another LI, and she's still acting like she'd like nothing better than to hop into bed with me. She's walk a fine line between and friend and someone who's a little too jealous/possessive for my tastes.

So, no, I've never really been all that fond of Liara.

That's kinda my position, as well. I'm not interested in her in ME1 because she comes across as too young, and while she gets more characterization away from that as the games go on, it's not enough for me to shake that early impression, particularly given that she does everything in her power to bring Shepard back. Yes, Shepard wouldn't be alive to continue saving the galaxy if she didn't, but with her earlier behavior, it easily comes across as her not being able to let Shepard go, that she is obsessed with Shepard to the point of violating the rules of nature and bringing him/her back.

And then ME3... Dear LORD. I feel like Glyph is following her around flashing the message 'Shepard, you need to embrace eternity with this chick.' At least you can shut her down reasonably enough with a pretty simple message, but it's the fact that in my playthroughs with her as just a friend, she is automatically Shepard's BEST friend, despite how I'd sooner have Garrus or Kaidan as my Shepard's confidant (and, yes, I know, neither are on ship after the first dream, but it feels wrong for me to see her be the one who Shepard talks to about them), bugs the crap out of me, because... she's not for my Shepards. She's A friend, yes, but if my Shepards needed to unburden themselves, they're not going to go to the girl who wears the fact that she is in love with Shepard on her sleeve, because it sends the wrong message to her.

And honestly, I don't like that 'gift' scene right before the end. The way she talks about it makes it seem far more intimate than she's saying, and again, wrong message to her (though the way I want Shepard to turn it down is 'this isn't goodbye, Liara, don't think like that'). I like to think better, but there's also this irrational fear that she takes the opportunity to impregnate herself through joining with Shepard.

So, yeah. I don't love Liara. I've made myself go through the romance once, and, while it plays well, it doesn't play right for me. OP, if you don't want to romance her, you don't have to. Even with what I feel are neon signs directed towards her, no one is forcing you to if you don't want to.

[Giguelingueling]

 Because only blue love is true love

[inblack]

Whaaaaa, what? seriously?? whaaaattt??  Shes cute, adorable, have so relaxed voice, her eyes are the most adorbable things you can possibly imagine, shes funny, adorbable, adorable, adorable and probably the most adorable Asari that digs for ruins in the grass:P

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Barquiel wrote...

One major factor as a Mary Sue is that everyone loves her. Liara isn't loved by everyone (Javik, Ashley). Tali on the other hand...

I don't think that's a good pair to count. Javik is a troll, and Ashley is biased against anyone who isn't human. You can count those two for any alien, pretty much.

There isn't much friction between squadmates in the entire game, these are brothers-in-arms who are accustomed to, or friendly towards, one another. Attitudes about each person to each other person aren't going to be belligerent on the whole. Indeed, you can argue that every squadmate is liked by the vast majority of the other team, if not the entire team.

[Doct0r Dreidel]

Am I alone in thinking that if Bioware had an official canon choice for Shepard's LI it would be Liara? The two are so intertwined it just makes perfect sense.

[jsamlaw]

The choice in ME1 wasn't that difficult...

Liara: Innocent, attractive researcher looking to bond on a spiritual, intellectual and (later) physical level with Shepard

Ashley: Xenophobic hard ass that first threatens to relieve you of your command if you so much as request a kiss, makes fun of your lines anytime you try to be romantic/sweet, and acts madly jealous of any contact you have with Liara--i.e doesn't trust you (which bears itself out in even greater detail on ME3 with regard to Cerberus)

And, as it turns out, Liara had the more detailed relationship (LotSB, full time ME3 squadmate, "My Project") and never expresses any doubt in Shepard, so it was a good choice.