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(Updated 4/7) Week 4 Retail USA: 40.2% drop after 56.5% drop after 80% drop + Amazon price figures


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Valo_Soren wrote...
So pretty much it is selling well and their sales aren't being hurt at all, is what you're saying.


No. What we are saying it is too early to see the impact of the RTM movement. I personally think its going to be a bloodbath for EA in the coming months.

ME3 will continue to implode sale wise, and SWTOR will lose 500,000 subs.

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This is why I would think EA would be on our side. They're losing money on all of this and that's what they care about, bottom line.

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M12311 wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...
So pretty much it is selling well and their sales aren't being hurt at all, is what you're saying.


No. What we are saying it is too early to see the impact of the RTM movement. I personally think its going to be a bloodbath for EA in the coming months.

ME3 will continue to implode sale wise, and SWTOR will lose 500,000 subs.


Correct .

the downward pull of the first three weeks is lower than most games and it is malperforming compared to a lot of other AAA games though I would like to see if someone can dig up what AAA games it is outperforming . Like I said in the first post , this is the 3rd week mark and it is significant because the next few weeks will determine if there is upward momentum or downward momentum which will more than likely tell us the total damage done .

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Valo_Soren wrote...

Say what you will think what you will but selling near 2 million copies in your first 3 weeks is not a failure it's actually a good thing.


Yup. Plus the $10 Day one DLC and the Ending DLC they will undoubtedly charge $10-$15 for.

EA gonna nickel and dime us for all it's worth. 

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Aznable Char wrote...

M12311 wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...
So pretty much it is selling well and their sales aren't being hurt at all, is what you're saying.


No. What we are saying it is too early to see the impact of the RTM movement. I personally think its going to be a bloodbath for EA in the coming months.

ME3 will continue to implode sale wise, and SWTOR will lose 500,000 subs.


Correct .

the downward pull of the first three weeks is lower than most games and it is malperforming compared to a lot of other AAA games though I would like to see if someone can dig up what AAA games it is outperforming . Like I said in the first post , this is the 3rd week mark and it is significant because the next few weeks will determine if there is upward momentum or downward momentum which will more than likely tell us the total damage done .

You really can't compare ME3 to Modern Warefare or Battlefield.  Those games will always sell ridiculous amounts because the market and audience for those games is HUGE.

Far larger than a game with rpg roots.  Skyrim though was kind of a freak, but I am glad it did well commercially.

Modifié par Naltair, 29 mars 2012 - 04:22 .


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M12311 wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...
So pretty much it is selling well and their sales aren't being hurt at all, is what you're saying.


No. What we are saying it is too early to see the impact of the RTM movement. I personally think its going to be a bloodbath for EA in the coming months.

ME3 will continue to implode sale wise, and SWTOR will lose 500,000 subs.

It will slow down of course sales wise, but it is a commercial success especially for the type of game it is.

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the issue I have with this is it does not account for digital sales. I know several of my friends that got the digital deluxe N7 edition of origin. I also bought it this way. I am sure if they did the figures would be much higher. maybe not enough to prevent the drop though

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Is there any data on how many of the purchased units have been returned?

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leapingmonkeys wrote...

Is there any data on how many of the purchased units have been returned?

Most places that do returns on games usually give store credit or buy them and resell, not sure this would affect overall sales.  Plus I can't think of a store that accepts PC game returns... do they exist?

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Naltair wrote...
Skyrim though was kind of a freak, but I am glad it did well commercially.


I agree. Skyrim came out of the left field, especially after the first week's UI issues.

But after just a couple days I knew Bethesda had a winner on its hands. I have not played a game in a long time that would flow as smoothly as Skyrim. I just sat back and drank it in for 100s of hours.

And once the fan videos inundated the web the positive response went viral real fast.

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I'm surprised at how the 360 sales dominate that of the PS3. Maybe BioWare shouldn't have wasted those months in between Liara of the Shadow Broker and the PS3 launch and gave us more DLC content.

I do find it kind of funny that BioWare is changing their style from RPG to Action with a story to appeal to the masses but yet still can't match Origins numbers. Just seems like a waste to me. Though I guess that does make sense, since Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 are not even in the league of Origins.

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corkey sweet wrote...

word of mouth has a lot of power. Look how word of mouth ultimately destroyed DA2. it will eventually kill ME3 as well. word of mouth can drastically decrease a games sales


So true Image IPB

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Naltair wrote...
It will slow down of course sales wise, but it is a commercial success especially for the type of game it is.


Having worked in FP&A for public companies for many years, I would define commercial success very differently. Outgrowing your previous product sale wise, is irrelevant for most established public companies.

It is all about performance compared to forecast/budget/analyst expectations. And I have no doubt ME3/SWTOR expectations are very hard to meet as it is.

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See holding the line is working. If we keep it up Bioware will have to make new endings because there is no way people who bought stock in the company are going to stand for this. They can't hold out much longer they will see if we will go for extended endings but if we don't I am 99% sure that by the end of next month they will announce that they are working on new not extended endings DLC.

Hold the line for as long as it takes to get new endings.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

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To me it was never about ME3 getting very low sales because of the Backlash, I always thought nthat would affect sales, but not so much, since lots of people simply won't believe that the ending is so terrible.

No, as I stated in my last post, this is not about being a financial success, not at this point.
No, what's important is will the sales meet EA's expectations and how will the backlash affect DLC sales and coming games.

And since the cohorts of new disappointed fans doesn't seem to stop, I think that could prove to be wrecking results.

I just hope EA and BW realize this and act accordingly.

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warrior256 wrote...

I don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand, I feel happy to see that the pressure is being put on Bioware as a member of the Retake movement. With such a devestating drop in sales, they can't afford to ignore us for long. At the same time, the part of me that still likes Bioware feels bad that what used to be a great company is getting hit so hard because of five minutes of cliffs. In the end though, Bioware still deserves this.


The ending sucked. Retake didn't make that happen- it's just a reaction. Sales numbers reflect public oppinion.

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I'd say the still crappy economy is more of a reason then a bunch of people whining on a message board.

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M12311 wrote...
Having worked in FP&A for public companies for many years, I would define commercial success very differently. Outgrowing your previous product sale wise, is irrelevant for most established public companies.

It is all about performance compared to forecast/budget/analyst expectations. And I have no doubt ME3/SWTOR expectations are very hard to meet as it is.


There seems to be some discontent on the TOR side of things, and this is before factoring in the knock on effects from the ME 3 rage. I wonder how many subscribers TOR has lost due to players getting bored, and then players quitting because ME 3 players quit, and crippled their guilds.

And then that's not counting the ME 3 players who will not touch any DLC until the ending issue is addressed. And I don't think it will be easy, because I think most people don't want any truck with a simple clarification DLC.

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Kilshrek wrote...

M12311 wrote...
Having worked in FP&A for public companies for many years, I would define commercial success very differently. Outgrowing your previous product sale wise, is irrelevant for most established public companies.

It is all about performance compared to forecast/budget/analyst expectations. And I have no doubt ME3/SWTOR expectations are very hard to meet as it is.


There seems to be some discontent on the TOR side of things, and this is before factoring in the knock on effects from the ME 3 rage. I wonder how many subscribers TOR has lost due to players getting bored, and then players quitting because ME 3 players quit, and crippled their guilds.

And then that's not counting the ME 3 players who will not touch any DLC until the ending issue is addressed. And I don't think it will be easy, because I think most people don't want any truck with a simple clarification DLC.


I know I, for one, will not be buying any prequel dlc, if that's the route they try to take. >shudder<

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xMellowhype wrote...

Wouldn't this be common? Millions people bought MW3 in the first week but since everyone has it the number is bound to go down in week 3.

If you can show this is truly unprecedented in the industry then it means a lot.



There is charts showing what this means.
But anyway bad press = a sharp fall in the weeks following the release.
Compare the figures to Mass effect 2 to get a real sense of the bad press in the weeks following the release.
10 weeks need to pass first though

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 29 mars 2012 - 01:56 .


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corkey sweet wrote...

word of mouth has a lot of power. Look how word of mouth ultimately destroyed DA2. it will eventually kill ME3 as well. word of mouth can drastically decrease a games sales


Agreed. Word of mouth can either help or kill a product or business.

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I lol'ed. Maybe they'll get the message now. DA2 and now ME3, fix your **** BioWare.

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Valo_Soren wrote...

DA2 sold a million copies in its first few weeks which is why we got to down load Mass Effect 2 for free on PC.


Correction- DA2 was doing so bad critically that Bioware and EA decided to give ME2 away for free on PC to make DA2 look more appetizing.

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play.com cut the price of ME3 today to £24, that's a big drop this quickly - especially when the title isn't available from what were the two biggest highstreet retailers (GAME and Gamestation - both have just gone under). I think word of the botched ending has to be having an effect on sales.

The sooner they fix this mess the better for everyone.

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babies8mydingo wrote...

play.com cut the price of ME3 today to £24, that's a big drop this quickly.


That is absurdly low considering the game is a AAA game with a **** ton of marketing thrown at it, two stellar previous games in the franchise and more than enough perfect/near perfect scores.

It HAS to be due to the ending problems and EA must be feeling it. I've seen worse games (overall) which have been out longer that still sell for more than £24 new Like "Catherine" and "Two worlds 2"