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[leewells]

You see, THAT is precisely what made BioWare change their minds and fix the ending (or promptly put out the rest of it), not because the "fans" were unhappy -- ultimately it was the customers stopped being customers and that hurts a company worse than any word you can write.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

ImmovableMover wrote...

babies8mydingo wrote...

play.com cut the price of ME3 today to £24, that's a big drop this quickly.

That is absurdly low considering the game is a AAA game with a **** ton of marketing thrown at it, two stellar previous games in the franchise and more than enough perfect/near perfect scores.

It HAS to be due to the ending problems and EA must be feeling it. I've seen worse games (overall) which have been out longer that still sell for more than £24 new Like "Catherine" and "Two worlds 2"

Yeah it's not just the sale it is the mark down.  We can win this we just have to hold on for a month or two and not settle for extended endings.

Hold the line for as long as it takes to get new endings.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

[M12311]

ImmovableMover wrote...
It HAS to be due to the ending problems and EA must be feeling it. I've seen worse games (overall) which have been out longer that still sell for more than £24 new Like "Catherine" and "Two worlds 2"

Interesting. Sometimes moving units and padding top line sales becomes more important. i wonder if this is an attempt at that.

[kjir]

Figuring if Xbox owners start returning their copies en masse, that'll really start driving home the message. As it is, those Xbox week 1 sales, as the vast majority of sales, put ME3 already in range of total sales for ME2. EA can likely feel satisfied with that and not feel particularly panicked. Of course, if there were revised figures that reflected returned copies, perhaps this is already happening.

[bti79]

The recipe to fix this seems obvious. Make a DLC that fix the ending- charge a reasonable amount for it. It will still be extreme on a $ pr content hour level, as all DLC is.

Then put out an enhanced edition of ME3 that bump the price back up to near pre-order prices.

Seems like a pretty nice potential on a relatively small investment for Bioware here. But then again, I'm not a corp. strategist in the content creation sector, so what do I know...

[Baihu1983]

Word of mouth having a massive effect.

[Naltair]

I feel like disgruntled fans want this game to fail. It is like you grasp at any straws that make you feel right.

[cyric085]

good very good

hope their next project fails so hard that ea will just bury them alive

god i miss the old bioware, new bioware just needs to die already

[Naltair]

cyric085 wrote...

good very good

hope their next project fails so hard that ea will just bury them alive

god i miss the old bioware, new bioware just needs to die already

What was old BioWare?  Baldur's Gate?  Mass Effect? 

[Naltair]

redundant567 wrote...

XBOX Sales Only [Global - Vgchartz for what it's worth]

ME3
Week 1: 1,631,609; Week 2: 338,672 [-79.2%]

Skyrim
Week 1: 1,859,285; Week 2: 564,506 [-69.6%]; Week 3: 409,620 [-27.4%]

CoD MW3
Week 1: 7,501,613; Week 2: 1,117,633 [-85.1%]; Week 3: 874,421 [-21.8%]

ME2
Week 1: 874,373; Week 2: 242,740 [-72.2%]; Week 3: 137,882 [-43.2%]

It seems like a fairly comparable drop to recent titles and even ME2. I don't think these are clearly going to show anything in relation to the success of ME3 at the moment. The longevity of sales is way more important.

Just going to quote this, may not be exactly accurate but there is really nothing telling about this data, i.e. doom and gloom.

Entertainment media is all about launch sales, after that, the sales rate drops pretty quickly.  This is expected.

Modifié par Naltair, 29 mars 2012 - 04:47 .

[Kanon777]

Naltair wrote...

I feel like disgruntled fans want this game to fail. It is like you grasp at any straws that make you feel right.

They want the game AND Bioware to fail, if you read these forums for the past weeks thats exactly what this fanbase is working for. Metacritic/Amazon bombing; twitter bombing; treatning silly lawsuits;

Every topic about how bioware is a failure of a company gets instant 5star rating here,every tread on how Boware isnt selling copies of ME3 like it is Skyrim or COD4 gets constant praise and joy from the "fans" who didnt get their way in the last 10 minutes of a 40 hour game.

They are actively working to destroy Bioware...

Modifié par tobito113, 29 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[Kanon777]

Naltair wrote...

redundant567 wrote...

XBOX Sales Only [Global - Vgchartz for what it's worth]

ME3
Week 1: 1,631,609; Week 2: 338,672 [-79.2%]

Skyrim
Week 1: 1,859,285; Week 2: 564,506 [-69.6%]; Week 3: 409,620 [-27.4%]

CoD MW3
Week 1: 7,501,613; Week 2: 1,117,633 [-85.1%]; Week 3: 874,421 [-21.8%]

ME2
Week 1: 874,373; Week 2: 242,740 [-72.2%]; Week 3: 137,882 [-43.2%]

It seems like a fairly comparable drop to recent titles and even ME2. I don't think these are clearly going to show anything in relation to the success of ME3 at the moment. The longevity of sales is way more important.

Just going to quote this, may not be exactly accurate but there is really nothing telling about this data, i.e. doom and gloom.

Entertainment media is all about launch sales, after that, the sales rate drops pretty quickly.  This is expected.

They wont even read this, it goes against their active desire to see the series failing. They hate Mass Effect that much

[ConradsLaces]

xMellowhype wrote...

Wouldn't this be common? Millions people bought MW3 in the first week but since everyone has it the number is bound to go down in week 3.

If you can show this is truly unprecedented in the industry then it means a lot.

This...

also... all contemporary sales figures, like this one, always disclaim "does not include online purchases" ... when, honestly, they really need to include them at this point. It's become such a staple of the retail aspect of gaming, in general, that it needs to be included for a thorough and accurate sales figure analysis.

Sure, retail-box sales dropped by some staggering percentage after the first week -but who's to say that digital sales didn't increase by the same staggering amount?

The reporting industry, at large (and NOT just the OP), is responsible for this trend of using partial/incomplete data, to make wild guesses and ascertations as to the state of a game's health... Going by the reporting industry's logic, some Indy game I bought on Steam or the XBLA - say, Beat Hazard - is an outright failure, because after seven days of release, it has sold ZERO COPIES... of retail box versions...because....it...was...digital only.

minor edit -spelling

Modifié par ConradsLaces, 29 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[TurambarEA]

Thanks for posting - I wonder how many of those initial sales were pre-orders. That would shed some additional light on the drop.

[alaska-the-1st]

 Hey the Red Comet agrees with us about the ending 

[Parrk]

I am not so surprised.

Even people that are not fond of thinking for themselves are more likely to trust the opinion of friends or family over advertisements and media people.

I can honestly say that I do not have a single friends who would make a game purchase based on an IGN review score. The media excels in posturing and convincing some that it is relevant, when in actuality it really is not.

Even people who are willing to consider the bought-and-paid-for reviews of the "gaming media" likely will visit only one site...metacritic. IGN, PC gamer, Kotaku....these are just cogs. More people have read their ME3 reviews than have read any other of theeir blather in probably years. These outlets are not relevant. You may think they are, but that is likely just the result of them having spent the majority of their time trying to convince you of such. Each of them is nothing more than 1/20th of the composite metacritc score, no more, no less.


What do people base decisions on? Friends, family and communities of those sites where they actually interact and spend their time. No one surfs IGN..Millions surf Facebook though, or Reddit, or youtube, or somethingawful or any of a myriad of smaller niche sites that comprise actual communities.

Do not buy into the mindf*ck that game reviews provided by the "gaming press" are relevant. They want you to believe that those sources they are able to control are the ones that matter.

Gaming media sites are only ever equal to 5% of a metacritic rating. The corporate stooges want you to go to those sites rather than metacritic because on IGN you won't ever get mor ethan the bought-and-paid-for opinion, whereas on metacritic you cannot see the "professional" reviewer aggregate of 90 without also coming face to face with player aggregate of 37.

The next order of business is to get a few larger media outlets to pick up the story that EA made it into the final four.

[Kanon777]

Parrk wrote...

I am not so surprised.

Even people that are not fond of thinking for themselves are more likely to trust the opinion of friends or family over advertisements and media people.

I can honestly say that I do not have a single friends who would make a game purchase based on an IGN review score. The media excels in posturing and convincing some that it is relevant, when in actuality it really is not.

Even people who are willing to consider the bought-and-paid-for reviews of the "gaming media" likely will visit only one site...metacritic. IGN, PC gamer, Kotaku....these are just cogs. More people have read their ME3 reviews than have read any other of theeir blather in probably years. These outlets are not relevant. You may think they are, but that is likely just the result of them having spent the majority of their time trying to convince you of such. Each of them is nothing more than 1/20th of the composite metacritc score, no more, no less.


What do people base decisions on? Friends, family and communities of those sites where they actually interact and spend their time. No one surfs IGN..Millions surf Facebook though, or Reddit, or youtube, or somethingawful or any of a myriad of smaller niche sites that comprise actual communities.

Do not buy into the mindf*ck that game reviews provided by the "gaming press" are relevant. They want you to believe that those sources they are able to control are the ones that matter.

Gaming media sites are only ever equal to 5% of a metacritic rating. The corporate stooges want you to go to those sites rather than metacritic because on IGN you won't ever get mor ethan the bought-and-paid-for opinion, whereas on metacritic you cannot see the "professional" reviewer aggregate of 90 without also coming face to face with player aggregate of 37.

The next order of business is to get a few larger media outlets to pick up the story that EA made it into the final four.

Have you read all the other data that say that this drop is perfectly normal for games? COD dropped just as much in the first week...

[Persephone]

tobito113 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I feel like disgruntled fans want this game to fail. It is like you grasp at any straws that make you feel right.

They want the game AND Bioware to fail, if you read these forums for the past weeks thats exactly what this fanbase is working for. Metacritic/Amazon bombing; twitter bombing; treatning silly lawsuits;

Every topic about how bioware is a failure of a company gets instant 5star rating here,every tread on how Boware isnt selling copies of ME3 like it is Skyrim or COD4 gets constant praise and joy from the "fans"

Sadly true.

These figures are not official.

They do not include digital copies.

They FAIL on every level.

And Metacritic is garbage to begin with.

And yet, it's still a sales level most companies would LOVE to have. The numbers aren't staggeringly dropping, these are normal for games with a HUGE amount of pre-orders due to it being the conclusion of a TRILOGY.

Modifié par Persephone, 29 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[ThePanzer99]

[quote]tobito113 wrote...

[quote]Naltair wrote...


They are actively working to destroy Bioware...

[/quote]

Nope, Bioware is destroying Bioware.
DA2: obvious quality issues and rushed, strike 1.
TOR would have been innovative 5 years ago, now it's a star wars mod for WoW with audio dialogue. Strike 2.
ME3: manages to self-immolate both the series ending and entire franchise IP. Just for the LULZ apparently. Strike 3.

ME3 was just the last straw for many loyal customers. When you troll the people who pay your bills then how surprised should you be when some start acting out? They've earned every review bombing, etc by thier actions. If I walk blindfolded onto a busy highway how shocking is it to get hit by a car? Herp derp is as Herp derp does.

[Naltair]

Reading and proper data analysis is a lost art on BSN.

[Persephone]

ThePanzer99 wrote...


ME3 was just the last straw for many loyal customers. When you troll the people who pay your bills then how surprised should you be when some start acting out? They've earned every review bombing, etc by thier actions. If I walk blindfolded onto a busy highway how shocking is it to get hit by a car? Herp derp is as Herp derp does.

What an APT, TASTEFUL comparison. NOT.

And no, ME3 definitely did NOT deserve the review bombing. Esp. not over "OMGZ! A MAN hit on my SHEPLOO!". Nor do the endings justify it.

[Njald]

ME3 won't be affected financially by the fan backlash. The games are sold already and DLCs are always done with very modest asumptions. Retailers might suffer a bit from returns and unsold stock but that is not EAs problem anymore.
The problem is that DA3 might not have the preorders they could have had if ME3 didn't get such bad word of mouth. ME IP might be botched as a AAA title. And Bioware might have trouble if they were to release an new IP due to alientated fanbase.
But until then I don't think the fan outcry will affect bottom line of the game itself
EA stock on the other hand is all about expectations and having one of their largest brands in full conflict with it's core audience can't possible be a boon for investors.

Modifié par Njald, 29 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Torrible]

cyric085 wrote...

good very good

hope their next project fails so hard that ea will just bury them alive

god i miss the old bioware, new bioware just needs to die already

If you are seeking approval with this post, you are not going to find any.

Modifié par Torrible, 29 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[jb1983]

tobito113 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I feel like disgruntled fans want this game to fail. It is like you grasp at any straws that make you feel right.

They want the game AND Bioware to fail, if you read these forums for the past weeks thats exactly what this fanbase is working for. Metacritic/Amazon bombing; twitter bombing; treatning silly lawsuits;

Every topic about how bioware is a failure of a company gets instant 5star rating here,every tread on how Boware isnt selling copies of ME3 like it is Skyrim or COD4 gets constant praise and joy from the "fans" who didnt get their way in the last 10 minutes of a 40 hour game.

They are actively working to destroy Bioware...

SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!

*Throws conffetti* 

[FedericoV]

Naltair wrote...

Reading and proper data analysis is a lost art on BSN.

QFT. I mean, I'm not against the Retake movement but you guys are building a lot of sand castles on those numbers.

I mean, if Bioware have allready sold 2+ million copies in the USA, then we can guess that they have at least sold 1+ million copies in the rest of the world: you know, there is quite a lot of gamers outside USA . 3+ million copies in the first three weeks, not counting the money they will make with MP and DLCs (ironically the ending DLC will be the most lucrative) smell like a success to me.

Modifié par FedericoV, 29 mars 2012 - 05:56 .