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(Updated 4/7) Week 4 Retail USA: 40.2% drop after 56.5% drop after 80% drop + Amazon price figures


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Naltair wrote...

I feel like disgruntled fans want this game to fail. It is like you grasp at any straws that make you feel right.


No one here really wan'ts them to fail.
They just want to show that they opinion matters. That a company can't backstab all his fanbase with 2 lies and 3 minutes of silence....i mean, artistic integrity (). I think that, if PAX doesn't solve this problem (by at least announce that they will work it around, or that it was all planned and the dlc will be fore free) Bioware will have to, at least, realize, that the MISTAKES of DA2 and perhaps ME3 (i will wait until PAX to see what they have) can't be repeated.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 29 mars 2012 - 05:55 .


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funny... There is still 1.5 million copies that were not sold, but were shipped out.

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ZodiEmish wrote...

funny... There is still 1.5 million copies that were not sold, but were shipped out.


Yes, EA shipped all the copies in the US. In Europe we still play with floppy discs :bandit:.

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And no, ME3 definitely did NOT deserve the review bombing. Esp. not over "OMGZ! A MAN hit on my SHEPLOO!". Nor do the endings justify it.


I think less than 1% of the people review bombed because of S-S relationships in ME.  If you have figures otherwise that would be interesting to discuss.

As for the endings I will respectfully disagree with you.   As a customer if you're told things about a product [from the manufacturer] which in your opinion the product does not delivery on then rating the product poorly is justified.   I do see how people can see the endings and easily think the entire trilogy / IP has been tarnished and if a product bombs out not only itself but everything that came before I can see lots of 1 star ratings.

On the other hand if you think you got everything promised and then some then the product should be rated well.

Doing either of the above is not bombing.

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So the game is doing good? nice to hear.

Add digital sales and the day 1 dlc and you could say the game is pretty succesful.

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FedericoV wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...

funny... There is still 1.5 million copies that were not sold, but were shipped out.


Yes, EA shipped all the copies in the US. In Europe we still play with floppy discs :bandit:.


lol serves you right for being behind in the world. :P I hope you enjoy your 10,000 Floppy disks :lol:

I kid of course.. but that would be awesome to see.... 10,000 Mass Effect 3 floppys. ( of course it would be just a gag. )

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Persephone wrote...

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What an APT, TASTEFUL comparison. NOT.

And no, ME3 definitely did NOT deserve the review bombing. Esp. not over "OMGZ! A MAN hit on my SHEPLOO!". Nor do the endings justify it.


It's the way of the world. Real life isn't on a carebear server and if you troll your customers they'll eventually act out. Bioware is having a teachable moment as a business, they can either change or fail.

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What was old BioWare? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect?

Up to and including Dragon Age.

Also, though that sounds very hateful, I really want BioWare to fail. I love them, but this has to stop. By now, they have completely sold out to the rEApers. They have ruined two promising IPs within two years, and with EA behind them, a giant corporation which doesn't give a single f**k about their customers OR video games, to begin with, I think they are beyond salvation.

It really saddens me, because, as stated above, I love BioWare. And that's why I want them to fail.

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Sesshaku wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I feel like disgruntled fans want this game to fail. It is like you grasp at any straws that make you feel right.


No one here really wan'ts them to fail.
They just want to show that they opinion matters. That a company can't backstab all his fanbase with 2 lies and 3 minutes of silence....i mean, artistic integrity (). I think that, if PAX doesn't solve this problem (by at least announce that they will work it around, or that it was all planned and the dlc will be fore free) Bioware will have to, at least, realize, that the MISTAKES of DA2 and perhaps ME3 (i will wait until PAX to see what they have) can't be repeated.


Helmschmied wrote...

What was old BioWare? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect?

Up to and including Dragon Age.

Also, though that sounds very hateful, I really want BioWare to fail. I love them, but this has to stop. By now, they have completely sold out to the rEApers. They have ruined two promising IPs within two years, and with EA behind them, a giant corporation which doesn't give a single f**k about their customers OR video games, to begin with, I think they are beyond salvation.

It really saddens me, because, as stated above, I love BioWare. And that's why I want them to fail.

 

I rest my case.

Modifié par Naltair, 29 mars 2012 - 06:07 .


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The game is amazing. The ending is not finished we have dlc

WHY would you tell people to NOT play such an awesome game??

Deep down you know the 99 percent you played was unforgettable
Deep down you know the 1 percent ending has lead to more speculation than any ending in recent history
Deep down you know you are holding the line till pax

Modifié par Dendio1, 29 mars 2012 - 06:09 .


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One thing I really didn't see mentioned yet is that EA is a publicly traded company and offers commentary on expectations/estimates during investor calls.

Here's ME3 expectations commentary from their FY 3Q12 presentation transcript:
"Finally, on March 6th in North America and March 9th in Europe, another blockbuster from
BioWare: Mass Effect 3. This is a sequel to a title that many critics voted Game-Of-The-Year.
Fans love this franchise and want more – pre-orders for Mass Effect 3 are running substantially ahead of where we were at this point with Mass Effect 2. The buzz is building and we’re betting
that we’ve got another big hit from BioWare."

Source: http://files.shareho...2112_1251pm.pdf

Comments from EA's CEO at the Wedbush Tech & Media conference:
"These billions of consumers that are now living in our industry are interested in brands. And there is no company that you could put up here with a chart like this – and I'm going to see things like and Dragon Age and Mass Effect and SimCity, et cetera enter the billion dollar arena probably each over the course of the next year to year and a half."

"Thank you. I'm glad somebody asked that question. So well, first off, this is our perspective, Mass Effect is one of my favorite intellectual properties. It's been played in my household every night for the past 30 to 40 days. It's – my family is addicted to it, as am I. And if you don't know, it's had 21,000 perfect 100 ratings. Most of the more influential reviewers have given it 10 out of 10, or a 9.5 out of 10s. We're averaging at 94, so that's awfully good.

We introduced it Tuesday night in the United States. It's being introduced tonight at midnight, or I guess it's already tonight at midnight in the UK. And in Europe, I don't have any information on Europe, obviously, because it just introduced in the last hour or so. In North America first day, so the first 24-hour period, we sold through 890,000 copies by our estimate. That's a 24-hour period in one geography. So that's a good start. It isn't frankly – we sort of anticipated it would do well, so it's doing really well. So we're happy. It's not a negative bit of news. It's a positive bit of news.
The second thing about it, and this is actually a really telling point, is something that happened at GameStop and I'm kind of happy with. There was post-release downloadable content available at launch. Now, you could buy that post-release downloadable content through Xbox or PFN or, through Game Stop. The tie ratio at the register is the highest in their history, higher than any other game. They had a 40% tie at the register day one. That's the best they've seen. Paul Raines was very proud of himself, did a hell of a job with it. And so, they're building their digital business while we're building our digital business.

And for what it's worth, 40% is what we had to the retailer. While we haven't tallied the numbers yet, we clearly will get incremental through Xbox Live and other live services. So, we're feeling awfully good about the launch."

"So, we recently gave guidance in Q4, I'm going to try to refine that that a little bit. Star Wars, as you've seen doing well, it's an important factor. It's doing largely in-line with – it's in line with our expectations. Mass Effect doing well, a little bit better, but reasonably in line with expectations."

Source: http://files.shareho..._Transcript.pdf

I'd expect the FY Q4 releases to have some interesting quotes regarding sales figures. Quarter closes 3-31, so info should be out around the time of PAX... maybe a little after.

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Considering the huge marketing campaign this must be an absolute disappointment for EA/Bioware.

Well, they put more effort into the trailers than into a proper ending sequence.

EA wanted to push ME3 as the big blockbuster of this month, but for a blockbuster these numbers are not very impressive, even less concerning the huge advertising campaign. It will barely outnumber ME2.

Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.

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Naltair wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I feel like disgruntled fans want this game to fail. It is like you grasp at any straws that make you feel right.


No one here really wan'ts them to fail.
They just want to show that they opinion matters. That a company can't backstab all his fanbase with 2 lies and 3 minutes of silence....i mean, artistic integrity (). I think that, if PAX doesn't solve this problem (by at least announce that they will work it around, or that it was all planned and the dlc will be fore free) Bioware will have to, at least, realize, that the MISTAKES of DA2 and perhaps ME3 (i will wait until PAX to see what they have) can't be repeated.


Helmschmied wrote...

What was old BioWare? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect?

Up to and including Dragon Age.

Also, though that sounds very hateful, I really want BioWare to fail. I love them, but this has to stop. By now, they have completely sold out to the rEApers. They have ruined two promising IPs within two years, and with EA behind them, a giant corporation which doesn't give a single f**k about their customers OR video games, to begin with, I think they are beyond salvation.

It really saddens me, because, as stated above, I love BioWare. And that's why I want them to fail.

 

I rest my case.


Yep. With "fans" "loving" you like that, you do not need enemies.

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Helmschmied wrote...

What was old BioWare? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect?

Up to and including Dragon Age.

Also, though that sounds very hateful, I really want BioWare to fail. I love them, but this has to stop. By now, they have completely sold out to the rEApers. They have ruined two promising IPs within two years, and with EA behind them, a giant corporation which doesn't give a single f**k about their customers OR video games, to begin with, I think they are beyond salvation.

It really saddens me, because, as stated above, I love BioWare. And that's why I want them to fail.


Why must they fail just because they don't care about you? Sounds like you love yourself. 

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Comguard2 wrote...

Considering the huge marketing campaign this must be an absolute disappointment for EA/Bioware.

Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.


Keep dreaming. They sold 3+ million copies.

ME3 is still selling fine, no matter the overblown sabotage by the "fanbase".

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Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.


This is why we cant have nice things. This is why activision just goes the safe route by refurbishing franchises like call of duty and guitar hero over and over again. People complain about lack of originality, then spit on anyone who tries doing something ambitious.

Hold the line for pax

Modifié par Dendio1, 29 mars 2012 - 06:13 .


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Naltair wrote...

I rest my case.



Ok you win that one.   How about this then:  "nobody that I consider reasonable wants BW to fail before they have a chance to make things right"??

Note:  I don't want BW to fail because how in the world can they learn anything if they are "dead"???

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Dendio1 wrote...


Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.


This is why we cant have nice things. This is why activision just goes the safe route by remaking call of duty over and over again. People complain about lack of originality, then spit on anyone who tries doing something ambitious.

Hold the line for pax



I'm all for being ambitious and artistic ... you just need to make sure that you "don't get it wrong" :)   If you do happen to get it wrong then making it right is probably a really good idea.

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Dendio1 wrote...

The game is amazing. The ending is not finished we have dlc

WHY would you tell people to NOT play such an awesome game??

Deep down you know the 99 percent you played was unforgettable
Deep down you know the 1 percent ending has lead to more speculation than any ending in recent history
Deep down you know you are holding the line till pax



Dendio1 you are being sarcastic, I hope?

Imagine buying the latest Windows software, download it, and only to be told that 99% of the softward has been downloaded, and in order to maximise the full potential of the program, you must fork out another $10 or $15 additional download? 

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Numbers for 3+ million sold copies?

"ME3 is still selling fine"

-90% after 2 weeks is fine? What is bad for you, sales dropping to zero?

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I really hope they learn this the hard way and stop destroying games that fans grow to love


xMellowhype wrote...

All in all ME3 was a good game and it's saddening to know that games like MW3 got 6 million on its first day but in 3 weeks ME3 gets 2 mil...


Modern Warfare is a beast of a franchise. Every MW title ive played never slapped me in the end as well

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Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs

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Okay, that didn't come out right.

What we're looking at now isn't the old BioWare we used to love. BioWare has changed since they were bought by EA. Just look at how streamlined their games have become. Look at the slapped-together mess that Dragon Age: Awakening was. And what does it say about the Mass Effect series that approximately 70% of the development team of ME was gone when they got to ME3?

I love BioWare, but I hate what they've become.

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Comguard2 wrote...

Numbers for 3+ million sold copies?

"ME3 is still selling fine"

-90% after 2 weeks is fine? What is bad for you, sales dropping to zero?


Similarly big releases have similar drops, as has already been pointed out. Learn how sales work.

The numbers are pretty clear. Do the math, I won't do it for you. Or keep WANTING ME3 to fail, if that makes you happy.^_^

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J717 wrote...

It pains me to say it, but if BioWare doesn't fix the ending and they suffer a meteoric fall from grace post-ME3 - I would not feel the least bit sorry for them. In fact...it would be karma.

QFT