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[ed87]

Dendio1 wrote...

The game is amazing. The ending is not finished we have dlc

WHY would you tell people to NOT play such an awesome game??

Deep down you know the 99 percent you played was unforgettable
Deep down you know the 1 percent ending has lead to more speculation than any ending in recent history
Deep down you know you are holding the line till pax

Deep down i know i dont agree with you at all.


-There is more hate than speculation
-That hate is affecting sales and the reputation of Bioware
-The 1% that was ruined was THE most important 1% of the entire trilogy. It was the balls of ME

[Dendio1]

RenascentAnt1 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The game is amazing. The ending is not finished we have dlc

WHY would you tell people to NOT play such an awesome game??

Deep down you know the 99 percent you played was unforgettable
Deep down you know the 1 percent ending has lead to more speculation than any ending in recent history
Deep down you know you are holding the line till pax

Dendio1 you are being sarcastic, I hope?

Imagine buying the latest Windows software, download it, and only to be told that 99% of the softward has been downloaded, and in order to maximise the full potential of the program, you must fork out another $10 or $15 additional download? 

I find it more like enjoying most of a movie to the extreme. Then the final part has an ambiguious ending that the director promises to follow up on downloadable content. Its not something I would normally be down for, but im willing to pay for a superior mass effect ending. The series is good enough to justify it.

If the game doesnt sell well, then all we are left with is the incomplete ending...and speculation for everyone

[Naltair]

Helmschmied wrote...

Okay, that didn't come out right.

What we're looking at now isn't the old BioWare we used to love. BioWare has changed since they were bought by EA. Just look at how streamlined their games have become. Look at the slapped-together mess that Dragon Age: Awakening was. And what does it say about the Mass Effect series that approximately 70% of the development team of ME was gone when they got to ME3?

I love BioWare, but I hate what they've become.

In that industry it is pretty rare to stay with a company for 9 years, people move around quite abit.  They want to try new ventures, new challenges, or life happens.  People break off to start their own ventures... 

[ZodiEmish]

Persephone wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

Considering the huge marketing campaign this must be an absolute disappointment for EA/Bioware.

Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.

Keep dreaming. They sold 3+ million copies.

ME3 is still selling fine, no matter the overblown sabotage by the "fanbase".

 When will people get their facts straight...

Let me explain something to you... there is something different between units shipped and units sold.

Units shipped are the copies that go out to stores. these are the copies on shelves but have not been sold...

Units sold is how many of the units shipped that were sold to cutomsers.


Mass Effect 3 shipped 3.5 million copies to stores, and sold 800,000 the first day. Since then they have sold a total of about 1.5 million copies. not 3.5 million...

Please people GOOGLE SEARCH your facts before you post. PLEASE..

Here let me do that for you all.

[Comguard2]

"Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses."

So, you wanna show me a better example or not?


How do you explain the huge drop in numbers? User-reviews obviously don't count for you, or you don't want to make a connection.

@Persephone
"Similarly big releases have similar drops, as has already been pointed out. Learn how sales work.

The numbers are pretty clear. Do the math, I won't do it for you."

Oh, I know how sales work...but obviously you have some understanding problems.

The numbers are pretty clear. Do the math, I won't do it for you.

Modifié par Comguard2, 29 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[BWGungan]

All I know is that before ME3, I rant about the virtues of Mass Effect to anybody who would listen.

After I finished ME3, I haven't spoken a positive word about the series to anybody.

[hoorayforicecream]

Comguard2 wrote...

Numbers for 3+ million sold copies?

"ME3 is still selling fine"

-90% after 2 weeks is fine? What is bad for you, sales dropping to zero?

Can you give an example of a game that doesn't exhibit similar sales behavior over a three-week period (with numbers, of course)? Basically, I'm asking you to show that this is somehow abnormal behavior unique to ME3.

[Iwillbeback]

Persephone wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

Numbers for 3+ million sold copies?

"ME3 is still selling fine"

-90% after 2 weeks is fine? What is bad for you, sales dropping to zero?

Similarly big releases have similar drops, as has already been pointed out. Learn how sales work.

The numbers are pretty clear. Do the math, I won't do it for you. Or keep WANTING ME3 to fail, if that makes you happy.

Mass effect 3 has already failed, it failed about 150 - 200 Days ago on a direct path to destruction.

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 29 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Persephone]

ZodiEmish wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

Considering the huge marketing campaign this must be an absolute disappointment for EA/Bioware.

Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.

Keep dreaming. They sold 3+ million copies.

ME3 is still selling fine, no matter the overblown sabotage by the "fanbase".

 When will people get their facts straight...

Let me explain something to you... there is something different between units shipped and units sold.

Units shipped are the copies that go out to stores. these are the copies on shelves but have not been sold...

Units sold is how many of the units shipped that were sold to cutomsers.


Mass Effect 3 shipped 3.5 million copies to stores, and sold 800,000 the first day. Since then they have sold a total of about 1.5 million copies. not 3.5 million...

Please people GOOGLE SEARCH your facts before you post. PLEASE..

Here let me do that for you all.

It sold 2+ million copies in the US alone. Add sales from Europe and Asia. Add digital sales. Easily 3+million.

Don't need your explanation, I actually work in Sales, thank you.

[Dendio1]

ed87 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The game is amazing. The ending is not finished we have dlc

WHY would you tell people to NOT play such an awesome game??

Deep down you know the 99 percent you played was unforgettable
Deep down you know the 1 percent ending has lead to more speculation than any ending in recent history
Deep down you know you are holding the line till pax

Deep down i know i dont agree with you at all.


-There is more hate than speculation
-That hate is affecting sales and the reputation of Bioware
-The 1% that was ruined was THE most important 1% of the entire trilogy. It was the balls of ME

I dont see hate. I see the community coming together, sharing laughs and creating fun meme's like maraurder shields.
I see money donated to a good cause, i see great fan art on personal renditions of Tali and blue babies
I see people willing to hold the line for the ending they want to one of their most beloved franchises.
The 1 percent is not finished. Bioware has been releasing posts left and right telling people to wait until april
Hold the line

Modifié par Dendio1, 29 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[Naltair]

http://www.vgchartz....its-first-week/

Just throwing that out there.

[M12311]

EA CEO Quote:

EA has a powerful advantage with our more than a dozen globally-recognized brands. Our mission now is to transform each of these powerhouse brands into year-round businesses – with a steady flow of downloadable content and extensions on new platforms like mobile and social. More content for our consumers – more revenue at better margins for our investors. Leading the way were two brands that sold more than 10 million copies each in FIFA and Battlefield. And, each of these global brands is succeeding on multiple platforms ranging from PC to social and console to mobile and with packaged goods and purely digital channels and business models. This is the template for all our major brands.

That ain't happening with ME.

[Persephone]

Comguard2 wrote...

@Persephone
"Similarly big releases have similar drops, as has already been pointed out. Learn how sales work.

The numbers are pretty clear. Do the math, I won't do it for you."

Oh, I know how sales work...but obviously you have some understanding problems.

The numbers are pretty clear. Do the math, I won't do it for you.

No, dear, I actually work in sales, so you failed that one.

The numbers are clear. Esp. compared to other titles. ME3 was/is a success. Deal with it.

[BWGungan]

Dendio1 wrote...

Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.

This is why we cant have nice things. This is why activision just goes the safe route by refurbishing franchises like call of duty and guitar hero over and over again. People complain about lack of originality, then spit on anyone who tries doing something ambitious.

Hold the line for pax

Being original won't save you when your original idea is terrible to begin with.

Modifié par BWGungan, 29 mars 2012 - 06:25 .

[Murkman4683]

Yay for BSN praising the demise of a great company, stay classy BSN. Keep on trolling the forums with sales figures, it totally helps our "fight" to get the endings changed. EA doesn't get it's cash, what need do they have for Bioware as a studio? I mean seriously people, the sales figures are not that bad, what close to 3 million? Not too shabby.

Modifié par Murkman4683, 29 mars 2012 - 06:25 .

[Persephone]

Naltair wrote...

http://www.vgchartz....its-first-week/

Just throwing that out there.

Don't confuse people with good sales numbers. The game they love and want to see better endings for MUST FAIL.

[Helmschmied]

Yay for BSN praising the demise of a great company

The company went down five years ago.

[ZodiEmish]

Persephone wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

Considering the huge marketing campaign this must be an absolute disappointment for EA/Bioware.

Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.

Keep dreaming. They sold 3+ million copies.

ME3 is still selling fine, no matter the overblown sabotage by the "fanbase".

 When will people get their facts straight...

Let me explain something to you... there is something different between units shipped and units sold.

Units shipped are the copies that go out to stores. these are the copies on shelves but have not been sold...

Units sold is how many of the units shipped that were sold to cutomsers.


Mass Effect 3 shipped 3.5 million copies to stores, and sold 800,000 the first day. Since then they have sold a total of about 1.5 million copies. not 3.5 million...

Please people GOOGLE SEARCH your facts before you post. PLEASE..

Here let me do that for you all.

It sold 2+ million copies in the US alone. Add sales from Europe and Asia. Add digital sales. Easily 3+million.

Don't need your explanation, I actually work in Sales, thank you.

If you really did work in Sales then you would understand the difference between units sold and units shipped. 3.5 million were shipped world wide. That was not sold. That was shipped. There is a major difference.

also I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but it doesn't matter if you work in sales or not. You don't have any proof, and the only proof that support what you said supports the idea that you misunderstood the data that was released.

[Comguard2]

@hoorayforicecream

We compared it in this very thread with DA2. But lets take a look at other games (I'll take the numbers from vgchartz for ease of comparison):

Mass Effect 2 Xbox: -72% after week 1, - 43% after week 2.
Skyrim Xbox: - 70% after week 1, - 30 after week 2
Fallout 3: - 65% after week 1, - 26 after week 2
Witcher 2 PC: -61% after week 1, - 43 after week 2.

I could collect more examples. Now, why are the numbers of ME3 worse, although the marketing campaign was so large?

[Apathy1989]

Initial week was probably everyone who had played the first 2, waiting eagerly for the preorder.

DAO managed good sales for a long period from positive word of mouth, it brought in alot of people who normally would have ignored it.

So in this, I think we are punishing Bioware. Not many people are going to jump into the franchise if all the fans are screaming about how bad it ends.

Edit: 80% is probably the most dramatic I've ever seen though. Thats a massive drop.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 29 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Njald]

For everyone trying to define success or not remember this:
The pure numbers mean nothing unless we also know what the production was aimed at. Underselling projections can be very costly even if sales numbers are high. Losing or gaining market shares and brandpopularity is also factored into the equation and those numbers are nowhere near conclusive after only 3 weeks.
The only thing I think EA is conclusivly done figuring out is the day1 DLC being as popular as it is/was. This might even be worth more than the entire IP combined. The knowlegde that they can produce varying amount of game and capitalize on popularity without seemingly pricing themselves of the market.
Heck as much as Bioware is worth the day1 DLC litmus test might just be worth more for EA in the long run. Now they can milk popular title and preorder hysteria for eazy cash. It's a whole new aspect to their business model.
They can just aquire titles, make anticipated sequels and milk day1 DLC. 1 week in they made their money back and title is empty and ruined but the cash flows thru their corperate veins.

[Persephone]

ZodiEmish wrote...

Persephone wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

Considering the huge marketing campaign this must be an absolute disappointment for EA/Bioware.

Words to mouth has destroyed the leg of ME3. The fans bought in the first week, and they told others not to do so. If this isn't an example of how word to mouth publicity influences game sales show me something better.

Keep dreaming. They sold 3+ million copies.

ME3 is still selling fine, no matter the overblown sabotage by the "fanbase".

 When will people get their facts straight...

Let me explain something to you... there is something different between units shipped and units sold.

Units shipped are the copies that go out to stores. these are the copies on shelves but have not been sold...

Units sold is how many of the units shipped that were sold to cutomsers.


Mass Effect 3 shipped 3.5 million copies to stores, and sold 800,000 the first day. Since then they have sold a total of about 1.5 million copies. not 3.5 million...

Please people GOOGLE SEARCH your facts before you post. PLEASE..

Here let me do that for you all.

It sold 2+ million copies in the US alone. Add sales from Europe and Asia. Add digital sales. Easily 3+million.

Don't need your explanation, I actually work in Sales, thank you.

If you really did work in Sales then you would understand the difference between units sold and units shipped. 3.5 million were shipped world wide. That was not sold. That was shipped. There is a major difference.

also I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but it doesn't matter if you work in sales or not. You don't have any proof, and the only proof that support what you said supports the idea that you misunderstood the data that was released.

I never mentioned 3.5 million. Anywhere.

Proof? Simple logic. will do.

There will be no definite numbers though until Bioware shares them.

[Comguard2]

@Persephone
"I never mentioned 3.5 million. Anywhere."

"It sold 2+ million copies in the US alone. Add sales from Europe and Asia. Add digital sales. Easily 3+million."

"There will be no definite numbers though until Bioware shares them."

So you say that there are no definite numbers, but are definitely sure that you are right and others are wrong...

[Costin_Razvan]

If you really did work in Sales then you would understand the difference between units sold and units shipped. 3.5 million were shipped world wide. That was not sold. That was shipped. There is a major difference.

also I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but it doesn't matter if you work in sales or not. You don't have any proof, and the only proof that support what you said supports the idea that you misunderstood the data that was released.

It's a very safe assumption that Mass Effect 3 has sold hundreds of thousands of digital copies. One million? Perhaps considering the issue with retails in Europe, Persephone never stated a definite number, she simply said it's over 3 million and she did include digital copies in her calculations.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

If you really did work in Sales then you would understand the difference between units sold and units shipped. 3.5 million were shipped world wide. That was not sold. That was shipped. There is a major difference.

also I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but it doesn't matter if you work in sales or not. You don't have any proof, and the only proof that support what you said supports the idea that you misunderstood the data that was released.

It's a very safe assumption that Mass Effect 3 has sold hundreds of thousands of digital copies. One million? Perhaps considering the issue with retails in Europe, Persephone never stated a definite number, she simply said it's over 3 million and she did include digital copies in her calculations.

Precisely.