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[Siansonea]

I think pretty much all of the cool Easter eggs from the planetary descriptions are filled with red herring at this point.

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IsaacShep wrote...

catabuca wrote...

I only heard parts about it second hand.

I asked because it would be interesting if you didn't, yet called Catalyst a guardian. Why? Because in part of the leaked script (especially older parts with general outlines), Catalyst IS being called The Guardian by Bioware. And most reffered to him like that in the spoiler group before the release.

Anyway, beings of lights may still be Prothean VIs, but something tells me this indeed may be connected to Catalyst. Klencory may very well be a DLC planet which will give more data on the Catalyst's race/Reaper origins. The wording does indeed sound like deliberate downplaying of its importance, yet stuff like "he's waiting for husks with his merc army" sounds like an already lined-out gameplay plan.

Aha, I see. No, I hadn't heard him referred to as the guardian. I avoided the spoiler group before release, and only heard a couple of things regarding specific plot points, like what happens to X character, and so on (and, in fact, the things I heard from the leak ended up being wrong, heh). I only started reading spoilers once people were playing the actual game.

As for Klencory, my immediate thought was that the catalyst is one of these beings of light. When I said 'like Vigil' I meant more along the lines of something that is left behind after the rest of the race is dead. It was more a general concept, than a specific analogy, I suppose. I don't think they are prothean VIs.

I don't expect that I'm right, of course XD But, the most obvious thing that sprang to mind was that the beings of light were the race that created the reapers (to 'protect' organic life from synthetic life), or maybe became the reapers in their first incarnation. That perhaps their civilisation had been ravaged by war with synthetics, and as a result, those that were left 'transcended' (via technological jiggerypokery of some sort) into the form of reapers, leaving the catalyst to oversee them and guide them in their role as galactic guardians, as they saw it (perhaps the catalyst was their foremost scientific mind, a leader of the resistance against the synthetics, their greatest military strategist, or some other leading figure). The crypts of the beings of light left on Klencory are those who died, a shrine to what started it all, perhaps? Or maybe they aren't crypts at all, but a repository of all their collected wisdom.

The catalyst isn't infallible in this scenario, of course. It witnessed its entire civilisation on the brink of anihilation at the hands of synthetic life, and the only way to ensure survival of some sort was to transcend into something other. Maybe they went into seclusion for a time. Maybe they sat on the edges of dark space, just observing. And maybe when they saw it happen again to another galactic civilisation, they/the catalyst decided to act. And maybe when it happened again, or the saw it starting to come toward a 'technological singularity' again, they acted again. And over time, they developed this pattern of behaviour, organised around the relays and the citadel, whereby they grew too bold, they fallaciously believed that they had to act in order to protect organics from that same fate. They had 'transcended' to the bodies of reapers, so they would do the same for others--because they really thought, in a sick, twisted way, that they were helping. Their original logic became twisted. They had begun to see themselves as guardians of the galaxy, as gods, and their sense of importance--I suppose you could call it ego--elevated them to the point of the arrogance we heard from Sovereign. But their ultimate goal remained the same, and was that which the catalyst explained. However misguided and twisted by millennia of self-perpetuation and justification it was. The only solution for them was a forced-synthesis of ogranic and synthetic life through transcendence to reaper form--since that was how they solved the problem for themselves when their society had its technological singularity. But along comes Shepard, a new kind of organic/synthetic hybrid, someone whose actions and very existence shows a new possibility that they hadn't contemplated before. And so the cycles end.

Or something. >_>

Aaaaanyway, how about that weather we've been having? *ahem*

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Siansonea II wrote...

I think pretty much all of the cool Easter eggs from the planetary descriptions are filled with red herring at this point.

It was confirmed the Leviathon of Dis was Sovereign, yes?

[TheChris92]

 Balak says that after Shepard ruined his plans on the asteroid over Terra Nova, he had hired some researchers to examine the Leviathan of Dis further. If that's the case then the Leviathan can't be Sovereign since it was with Saren at the time looking for the Conduit. It must be a different Reaper then.

[Bad King]

catabuca wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think pretty much all of the cool Easter eggs from the planetary descriptions are filled with red herring at this point.

It was confirmed the Leviathon of Dis was Sovereign, yes?

Not Sovereign, but it was a reaper.

And there are other planet descriptions which aren't red herrings. The Klendagon weapon which TIM mentions in ME2 was also mentioned in ME1, and the Inusannon (obscurely mentioned in a planetary description in ME2) are mentioned by Javik. I'm sure there are plenty of others too.

[xPandaHunterx]

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[Cobra5]

It sounds like indoctrination to me.

Reapers believe themselves (whether you/we agree or not) to be protecting organics from synthetics, and do indoctrinate through hallucinations.

So it sounds to me like a dead/dying reaper was calling out from under the surface of the planet. The dead reaper we visit in ME2 was still able to indoctrinate, even though it was dead, as long as its mass effect core was active.

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Bad King wrote...

catabuca wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think pretty much all of the cool Easter eggs from the planetary descriptions are filled with red herring at this point.

It was confirmed the Leviathon of Dis was Sovereign, yes?

Not Sovereign, but it was a reaper.

And there are other planet descriptions which aren't red herrings. The Klendagon weapon which TIM mentions in ME2 was also mentioned in ME1, and the Inusannon (obscurely mentioned in a planetary description in ME2) are mentioned by Javik. I'm sure there are plenty of others too.

You're quite right about Dis, my mistake. (I was misremembering what I'd read in the novel.)

But yes, there are a few things that were sprinkled in to add flavour to the universe that ended up being built upon or referenced again in some way. It happens all the time in all sorts of things, as writers go back and revisit ideas they didn't intend to be important at first, but liked the sound of more as time went on. In fact, that's what happened with Cerberus in between 1 and 2.

But hey, I'm not standing up and staking my life on this beings of light thing being true or anything. I'm just doing the whole "ooooooh, speculation/fan theorising/what if" thing, because it's fun

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Cobra5 wrote...

It sounds like indoctrination to me.

Reapers believe themselves (whether you/we agree or not) to be protecting organics from synthetics, and do indoctrinate through hallucinations.

So it sounds to me like a dead/dying reaper was calling out from under the surface of the planet. The dead reaper we visit in ME2 was still able to indoctrinate, even though it was dead, as long as its mass effect core was active.

That's more than possible. The vision certainly sounds like indoctrination. What did it want with Shol though? If he wasn't already on Klencory (which it sounds like he wasn't) then how did he get indoctrinated in the first place in order to have that first vision? Also, if it was indoctrination by a buried reaper, it never used him for anything. If he's been digging for 20 years, and has barricaded himself in against a potential husk invasion now the reapers have arrived, then that suggests he's not on their side.