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[stwu]

alx119 wrote...

John Epler wrote...



Regardless of how you feel about the ending or the product, no, there's never an excuse for personal insults and threats. Sorry, but this isn't something I feel is even up for debate. At the end of the day, there's no place for that kind of behaviour, and I think that most people would draw the line at making threats and attacking people on a personal level.

Gotta agree with this. Critiques, as harsh as they are are all good and fine, but when that goes to personal threats and insults, that's not an excuse. As bad as something is, violence of any kind if never the answer. 

Your right and I apologize if I've come off as a cruel person. That being said I can't help but feel that ME3's team simply doesn't care about what we want. It's their idea, their story and you'll like what we give you. There are so many things wrong with this game and yes, no game is perfect but when you look back at ME 1 AND 2 , the quality is there, the proof is in the pudding.There's no way in hell that they would have released a game with this many oversights if they simply cared. Am I angry, absolutely.

[Zuka999]

I find it interesting that the BioWare guys would bring attention to a thread like this with their BIOWARE stamp unless they meant to.. they haven't responded so much to any other threads..

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

By the way, I also appreciate the hard work of the mods, even if they don't share my viewpoint on the games. Thanks for letting us express ourselves and keeping it sane.

[Exeider]

DJBare wrote...

John, Stanley, you say your views are coloured by the hate mail you got and such, how about checking out the mega thread, the people in there have been bloody remarkable, I mean really, instead of allowing the hate to colour your view, why not take some time to actually look at the numbers who have been incredibly civil throughout all of this.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916/2577

because fear is the path to the dark side. fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
-AE

[Kashola]

Geneaux486 wrote...

That's certainly... imaginative.

Not really, just going by the cards the endings lay on the table.

Good job ignoring the entire paragraph i wrote out becuase you couldn't muster up a proper repsonse.  You aren't debating, you are trolling, thus you should be ignored.

I didn't read your post because you opened with how you were ignoring something that's clearly shown in the game.  There's no point in arguing with someone who does that.

"I didn't read your post because i have a default stance and won't entertain the notion of thinking in any other way."  For one: I thought the same as you about the control/synth route - but that is just merely speculation(and a really cheesey one that supports a "happy ending" that isn't artsy apparently) and contrary to a popular saying that has sprung up from this whole ordeal speculation is not what everyone wants.

If this series is to continue, it will have to have some sort of canon version of the ending, you can't just hide if the Reapers died or not, or if everyone is half robot or not.  This whole idea of speculation DOES NOT WORK for this franchise, and this sh*tstorm proves it.

[John Epler]

withneelandi wrote...

John Epler wrote...

I don't think name calling and personal attacks help anyone's case, regardless of who they are and who they're referring to. That's as much of a statement as you'll get from me on any articles related to any of this, sorry. It's not really my place - I'm not on the ME team. Now, if you want my opinion on DA related stuff... well, I can't say much there, either. Whoops.

You literally had me going for a second.......

I was about to ask you to comment on the comedy "mass effect is the same universe as dragon age" theory.

I'm telling you, Corpheus was the trapped spirit of a Reaper and that thing they reffered to under Val Royeux is a crashed long burried Reaper.







(I'm kidding, please don't think i'm a looney)

I continue to argue for an easter egg in a DA game where you come across a 'mysterious broken machine' that's actually the remains of one of the probes from ME2. Scanning a populated planet always made me envision an Armageddon-type scenario where death rained down from the sky while Shepard calmly watched his resource bar.

[Mev186]

Stanley Woo wrote...

commander_shepard wrote...
I wouldn't mind if you flew me to Edmonton and showed me what you guys are working on to assuage me.

If you flew up here on your own dime and showed up at the office, I would consent to buy you a tasty beverage to assuage you, but that's about it.

So let me get this straight, If I flew to Edmonton we can have a meal with Stanley Woo ?!

yay!

[Johanna]

Greer wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Danilo Luis wrote...

There's a huge difference between *listen* and give it the proper attention.

If you aren't willing to accept a response that disagrees with you, or aren't wililng to wait for an answer, or you insist that all of your issues must be resolved when you want them to be, then you're no longer making simple requests and giving feedback, are you? At that point, I would say you're making demands because you feel entitled to them, and we treat those very differently than we treat requests. Which is why we encourage people to be civil and patient and reasonable in their posts.

That's quite the low blow, don't you think?
(snip the rest.)

Agreed.  That was definitely some deliberately provocative language, and it makes me wary. 

Keep holding the line, folks.

Modifié par pants witch, 29 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[Paparob]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Paparob wrote...
I was actually building towards that. Well I hope you don't mind me asking but did you? Just as one fan to another, I'm curious to see if you picked the game up recently or if you've been following the series for a while.

Edit: Off topic slightly but how is that a hard question? lol Also feel free to jump in with questions if you have them, its not like I'm the designated "Questioner of Stanley Woo" 

I have not played the series from start to finish, though I worked on Mass effect 2.

Alright I think I've figured out what I needed to know, thanks again for all your time.

Modifié par Paparob, 29 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[JaylaClark]

Stanley Woo wrote...

commander_shepard wrote...
I wouldn't mind if you flew me to Edmonton and showed me what you guys are working on to assuage me.

If you flew up here on your own dime and showed up at the office, I would consent to buy you a tasty beverage to assuage you, but that's about it.

Aw, I was saving my Canada airfare for the Bills game in Toronto!

[WildcardCharlie]

Opsrbest wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


@masseffect's tweet (WARNING, FOUL LANGUAGE) - and for the record, they've continued to play buddybuddy with this guy:

http://www.martnet.c.../finchlynch.jpg

Well there you have it, definitive proof that all Retake detractors are vulgar and combatant.

On the same lines you could go through just about every retaker thread on this forum and find the same thing. So your point is moot.

Really? Go and find me one instance of a Retaker using that kind of language here.

I'll wait.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916

enjoy the long long long read.

Nice try, but that's a cop out.

I asked you to find my an instance of someone using the kind of language seen in that tweet. You sent me a link to a long thread knowing nobody is going to go sifting through it looking for something that isn't there.

I'll take that as a concession that you lied and then tried to cover it up. Thanks!

[Icinix]

Stanley Woo wrote...

commander_shepard wrote...
I wouldn't mind if you flew me to Edmonton and showed me what you guys are working on to assuage me.

If you flew up here on your own dime and showed up at the office, I would consent to buy you a tasty beverage to assuage you, but that's about it.

We're looking at moving to Montreal in the next few years! 

How cheap are flights?

[ssyyllaarr]

ME2 was the best so far, because there was a good amount of Jack going on. Just saying ... Jackolyte for life

[Stanley Woo]

Exeider wrote...
I would request that you play ME1 to the end, do every side mission, import to ME 2, recruit everyone, do every side mission, every loyalty mission, then import to ME3, recruit everyone, do every side mission, and get to the end.

in short, I want YOU, Stanley Woo, to drop 100 hours into Mass Effect, and get to the end, and tell me it ISN'T Anti-climactic.

edit: and video tape your reaction, i wanna see this.

-AE

If you are paying for my time to do that, I would be happy to. Failing that, however, you'll have to be happy with me deciding my own priorites and getting to the games when I can. Gotta warn you, though, I'm not cheap and I like pie. Lots of pie.

[Aznable Char]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Wasn't this originally about a congratulatory thread about our efforts and now it's devolved into a thread about how bad we are? Due in no small part to the timely intervention of BW's PR team.

Probably just a coincidence.

Also this.

It's not so hard to believe . It's certainly a fact that there have been lots of rowdy people who call themselves Retakers . And there are  a lot of them . Not to say they're a large percentage . It's a testament to how large this movement is that the "fringe" group is significantly large as a function of sample size .

but it's a rather effective way of shutting down any discussion about any of our wishes or what kind of progress we'd like or shutting down any anger we have because Mr. Woo might have been condescending .

It goes something like this:

Person A: "What about my endings ?"
BioWare: "Sorry , but let's talk about how we can all agree that personal insults are wrong."

Person B: "I think what you said there was insulting, Mr. Woo"
BioWare: "You know , let's talk about how we should stop people from being insulting . Have i reminded you lately how your movement has bad people in it ?"
Person B: "._. okay"

etc .

No i'm not insinuating this is some kind of cheap tactic , I'm just saying that it's inescapable  because it is true that this will always be a cowbell attached to us cows to keep us from straying too far . We simply cannot avoid having bad people and BioWare has every right to point them out in order to direct our focus . That's why I rather recommend that our protest return to the basics of a customer relationship with someone who produces a product: stop buying . stop recommending . recommend other places to spend money until such a time as (and I am hopefuly of this otherwise I wouldn't be here) they fix the problem (and honestly I'm kind of excited for April )

[Grimez7]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Paparob wrote...

I was actually building towards that. Well I hope you don't mind me asking but did you? Just as one fan to another, I'm curious to see if you picked the game up recently or if you've been following the series for a while.

Edit: Off topic slightly but how is that a hard question? lol Also feel free to jump in with questions if you have them, its not like I'm the designated "Questioner of Stanley Woo" 

I have not played the series from start to finish, though I worked on Mass effect 2.

Mr. Woo, get off these forums and go play the series from start to finish. You will be doing yourself a favor.

[Gormane01]

John Epler wrote...

withneelandi wrote...

John Epler wrote...

I don't think name calling and personal attacks help anyone's case, regardless of who they are and who they're referring to. That's as much of a statement as you'll get from me on any articles related to any of this, sorry. It's not really my place - I'm not on the ME team. Now, if you want my opinion on DA related stuff... well, I can't say much there, either. Whoops.

You literally had me going for a second.......

I was about to ask you to comment on the comedy "mass effect is the same universe as dragon age" theory.

I'm telling you, Corpheus was the trapped spirit of a Reaper and that thing they reffered to under Val Royeux is a crashed long burried Reaper.







(I'm kidding, please don't think i'm a looney)

I continue to argue for an easter egg in a DA game where you come across a 'mysterious broken machine' that's actually the remains of one of the probes from ME2. Scanning a populated planet always made me envision an Armageddon-type scenario where death rained down from the sky while Shepard calmly watched his resource bar.

Vote +1 that is an awesome idea. Reminds me of those guys in DA:O who were talking about the whole thing being a game, funny as hell!!!

[Dragoonlordz]

Aznable Char wrote...

BioWare has not defended its loyal fanbase against slanderous and vulgar attacks . And no I'm not saying poor Stan or anyone on this forum but I meant in general .

Not to mention highlighting every post about  "sorry we can't talk to you about how we're going to address your concerns because some people are shouting rudely" is just wagging the dog so that they have a proper excuse to continue to ignore the vast vast ultravast majority of us that want answers .

But again , we don't deserve any answers . I'm not saying we do . We don't deserve empathy or even to be on this forum . This is all graciously provided by BioWare .

In the same way that we graciously provide them with our money .

Quid pro quo . If someone pulls out of an agreement , then we can do the same . And it will resound louder when company profits are down and they have to come up with a better strategy with dealing with people and products.

The only way companies understand if a strategy does not work is if it affects profits . No amount of reasoning with representatives will change that . It can facilitate hitting the mark , better , sure ! And that's why I was here for a while looking for ways to tell them what I want out of the DLC , but in the end if they just stonewall , then it's time for the customer to buy their art from a different artist .

If michelangelo refuses to remove the dog feces stuck on teh mona lisa's nose , then go to raphael and buy his stuff instead .

Defend yourself, your quite capable of doing so. They do not need (imho) to defend you, they are not your mother or father. It is however morally right for them to defend their co-workers whom they spend a lot of time working with and themselves. While you are right about putting your money where your mouth is being the more direct response that might gain attention of a business, if remain civil and reasonable then feeback and criticism can have same affect. There is a reason why all shops and bars throw a customer out and bans them when cussing and are threatening towards staff, that polite and reasonable communication deserves to and tends to get better responses. The funny element to all this from my perspective is the DLC in the future would of been created towards the goal of resolving what a lot of people here are yelling and screaming about in the first place. It's how they (Bioware) have always done such... Wait for feedback and try to resolve via DLC.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[Stanley Woo]

DJBare wrote...

John, Stanley, you say your views are coloured by the hate mail you got and such, how about checking out the mega thread, the people in there have been bloody remarkable, I mean really, instead of allowing the hate to colour your view, why not take some time to actually look at the numbers who have been incredibly civil throughout all of this.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916/2577

I do check out that thread from time to time.

[Maria Caliban]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Bantz wrote...

agreed, wish we'd had this kind of back and forth talks before, probably would have saved these poor guys some of those hatefilled PM"s.

We have. john Epler and I have had several of these conversations over the last few weeks. People just tend to forget about them after a couple of days and go back to accusing us of not listening. And we have a whole bunch of community members who never read the threads we've participated in.

I suspect the majority never see them. This forum is huge and the threads mount up fast.

[John Epler]

Zuka999 wrote...

I find it interesting that the BioWare guys would bring attention to a thread like this with their BIOWARE stamp unless they meant to.. they haven't responded so much to any other threads..

I saw Stan responding and thought to myself, 'Self, that looks interesting' so I hopped in. At least in the ME forums, I tend to stick to a single thread at a time because it moves so bloody quickly, not to mention that, not being on the ME team, I can only offer vague generalities and confusing statements. It's a little different with DA because I can have discussion with a lot more meat to them, but don't take our participation in any particular thread as a sign of anything more than 'that looks like a thread I want to participate in'. We're doing this on our own time, after all.

[Torrible]

Aznable Char wrote...


If michelangelo refuses to remove the dog feces stuck on teh mona lisa's nose , then go to raphael and buy his stuff instead .

And you want Michelangelo to listen to you. Tsk tsk. 

[Isichar]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Exeider wrote...
I would request that you play ME1 to the end, do every side mission, import to ME 2, recruit everyone, do every side mission, every loyalty mission, then import to ME3, recruit everyone, do every side mission, and get to the end.

in short, I want YOU, Stanley Woo, to drop 100 hours into Mass Effect, and get to the end, and tell me it ISN'T Anti-climactic.

edit: and video tape your reaction, i wanna see this.

-AE

If you are paying for my time to do that, I would be happy to. Failing that, however, you'll have to be happy with me deciding my own priorites and getting to the games when I can. Gotta warn you, though, I'm not cheap and I like pie. Lots of pie.

If we had known this maybe we could have sent some pies along with the cupcakes?

[Gormane01]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Bantz wrote...

agreed, wish we'd had this kind of back and forth talks before, probably would have saved these poor guys some of those hatefilled PM"s.

We have. john Epler and I have had several of these conversations over the last few weeks. People just tend to forget about them after a couple of days and go back to accusing us of not listening. And we have a whole bunch of community members who never read the threads we've participated in.

Might also be due to the crazy speed of these forums. I haven't seen a single one of them, but glad it is happening!!!