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[The Angry One]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Exeider wrote...
I would request that you play ME1 to the end, do every side mission, import to ME 2, recruit everyone, do every side mission, every loyalty mission, then import to ME3, recruit everyone, do every side mission, and get to the end.

in short, I want YOU, Stanley Woo, to drop 100 hours into Mass Effect, and get to the end, and tell me it ISN'T Anti-climactic.

edit: and video tape your reaction, i wanna see this.

-AE

If you are paying for my time to do that, I would be happy to. Failing that, however, you'll have to be happy with me deciding my own priorites and getting to the games when I can. Gotta warn you, though, I'm not cheap and I like pie. Lots of pie.

If someone starts a fundraiser to send Woo red, green and blue pie I'm blaming this thread.

[Geneaux486]

"I didn't read your post because i have a default stance and won't entertain the notion of thinking in any other way."

Using a strawman like that will only serve to prove my point.  But let's continue:

I thought the same as you about the control/synth route - but that is just merely speculation(and a really cheesey one that supports a "happy ending" that isn't artsy apparently) and contrary to a popular saying that has sprung up from this whole ordeal speculation is not what everyone wants.

It's somewhat speculative, but based on things we can logically infer from what we've seen first hand in the games.  Any ending to anything will have some degree of speculation involved unless the medium spells everything out for us.  Mass Effect has never needed to spell everything out for us.

If this series is to continue, it will have to have some sort of canon version of the ending, you can't just hide if the Reapers died or not, or if everyone is half robot or not.  This whole idea of speculation DOES NOT WORK for this franchise, and this sh*tstorm proves it.

A ****storm in and of itself never proves anything.  Furthermore, you seem to be taking issue with the fact that there are varying conclusions to the trilogy, but we already knew to expect that going in.  I get what you're saying, but you're touching on a broader subject of sequels that I honestly haven't really formed an opinion on yet.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 29 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[WildcardCharlie]

Grimez7 wrote...



Mr. Woo, get off these forums and go play the series from start to finish. You will be doing yourself a favor.

Actually, maybe stop just before the finish.

[Dragoonlordz]

John Epler wrote...

I continue to argue for an easter egg in a DA game where you come across a 'mysterious broken machine' that's actually the remains of one of the probes from ME2. Scanning a populated planet always made me envision an Armageddon-type scenario where death rained down from the sky while Shepard calmly watched his resource bar.

I don't see why you could not get such given the ME team stole one of your ogres from DA and put it in ME.

[TheOptimist]

Opsrbest wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


@masseffect's tweet (WARNING, FOUL LANGUAGE) - and for the record, they've continued to play buddybuddy with this guy:

http://www.martnet.c.../finchlynch.jpg

Well there you have it, definitive proof that all Retake detractors are vulgar and combatant.

On the same lines you could go through just about every retaker thread on this forum and find the same thing. So your point is moot.

Really? Go and find me one instance of a Retaker using that kind of language here.

I'll wait.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916

enjoy the long long long read.

So 'just about every retaker thread on this forum' means 'one of the largest threads on the site that I still don't actually have even a page number for'?  Alrighty then.

[Vengilus]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Paparob wrote...

I don't blame you Stanley, I have no ill will towards you personally perhaps since I'm civil with you might be able to answer a few questions for me. I promise nothing inflammatory or above your pay grade.

1) I understand there is a lot over analyzing on the fans part, I can agree its can get a bit out of hand but why do you feel that fans are speculating on Bioware statements to such a degree?

Because as much as people will threaten to leave the community, to never buy another BioWare product again, to never listen to thing we say again, there is a shred of hope that many in the community will hang onto. Now matter how demoralized people get, no mater how angry and frustrated they may feel, they really, really, really, really, really want to hear that their issues have been "fixed."

At the moment, however, the wounds are too large and too deep, so they scour all of BioWare's comments in an effort to find either those comments that keep their hope alive and/or those that they feel justify their furstration, hatred, or anger.

though it may seem contrary, this is a testament to how much our game has affected our fans and how much they care about our game and the franchise, and we can't (and don't) blame them for that.

Thank you. Your first paragraph grasps an important issue that I wish all sides could sit back, read, and ruminate upon.Not so much to have things "fixed", but that, well... that it wasn't all for nothing. (Which is kind of how I feel right now.) I can't speak for enyone but myself, but I am here for that shred of hope.

Thank you, good sir. I salute you.

Modifié par Vengilus, 29 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[Stanley Woo]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

If you flew up here on your own dime and showed up at the office, I would consent to buy you a tasty beverage to assuage you, but that's about it.

Am I to assume this offer stands for all of us?? I will be there Monday if it does.

As long as you don't mind NOT talking shop, then yes. Let me know when you're coming and I'll see what I can do to accommodate it.

EDIT: Please note that this off is good only for those who fly in. Proof of flight and residence outside of Edmonton may be required. Local folks can buy their own damned drinks, thank you very much,.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 29 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[ssyyllaarr]

michelangelo .... mona lisa .... what?

[DJBare]

Stanley Woo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

John, Stanley, you say your views are coloured by the hate mail you got and such, how about checking out the mega thread, the people in there have been bloody remarkable, I mean really, instead of allowing the hate to colour your view, why not take some time to actually look at the numbers who have been incredibly civil throughout all of this.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916/2577

I do check out that thread from time to time.

Then you would agree it's a minority that are abusive, people that we are not responsible for?, I'm not rude here, but I cannot accept the coloured view and that thread is the very reason I cannot accept it.

[John Epler]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

John Epler wrote...

I continue to argue for an easter egg in a DA game where you come across a 'mysterious broken machine' that's actually the remains of one of the probes from ME2. Scanning a populated planet always made me envision an Armageddon-type scenario where death rained down from the sky while Shepard calmly watched his resource bar.

I don't see why you could not get such given the ME team stole one of your ogres from DA and put it in ME.

At one point, there was a Krogan head mounted on the wall in Chateau Haine (the castle from Mark of the Assassin). I think it was eventually removed, but the asset still exists somewhere.

Modifié par John Epler, 29 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[Bedevil123]

John Epler wrote...

withneelandi wrote...

John Epler wrote...

I don't think name calling and personal attacks help anyone's case, regardless of who they are and who they're referring to. That's as much of a statement as you'll get from me on any articles related to any of this, sorry. It's not really my place - I'm not on the ME team. Now, if you want my opinion on DA related stuff... well, I can't say much there, either. Whoops.

You literally had me going for a second.......

I was about to ask you to comment on the comedy "mass effect is the same universe as dragon age" theory.

I'm telling you, Corpheus was the trapped spirit of a Reaper and that thing they reffered to under Val Royeux is a crashed long burried Reaper.







(I'm kidding, please don't think i'm a looney)

I continue to argue for an easter egg in a DA game where you come across a 'mysterious broken machine' that's actually the remains of one of the probes from ME2. Scanning a populated planet always made me envision an Armageddon-type scenario where death rained down from the sky while Shepard calmly watched his resource bar.

hahaha thats hilarious! DA3 should have a ogre get blasted randomly by a probe from the sky 
guess we know where Hock got the ogre statue from...

[WildcardCharlie]

Stanley Woo wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

If you flew up here on your own dime and showed up at the office, I would consent to buy you a tasty beverage to assuage you, but that's about it.

Am I to assume this offer stands for all of us?? I will be there Monday if it does.

As long as you don't mind NOT talking shop, then yes. Let me know when you're coming and I'll see what I can do to accommodate it.

I am bringing more cupcakes.

[Sywen]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Exeider wrote...
I would request that you play ME1 to the end, do every side mission, import to ME 2, recruit everyone, do every side mission, every loyalty mission, then import to ME3, recruit everyone, do every side mission, and get to the end.

in short, I want YOU, Stanley Woo, to drop 100 hours into Mass Effect, and get to the end, and tell me it ISN'T Anti-climactic.

edit: and video tape your reaction, i wanna see this.

-AE

If you are paying for my time to do that, I would be happy to. Failing that, however, you'll have to be happy with me deciding my own priorites and getting to the games when I can. Gotta warn you, though, I'm not cheap and I like pie. Lots of pie.

I made my son pay me $50 to play ME1 and bake me a pie.

[Grimez7]

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Grimez7 wrote...



Mr. Woo, get off these forums and go play the series from start to finish. You will be doing yourself a favor.

Actually, maybe stop just before the finish.

no, we need him to experience what we went through

[JaylaClark]

Isichar wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Exeider wrote...
I would request that you play ME1 to the end, do every side mission, import to ME 2, recruit everyone, do every side mission, every loyalty mission, then import to ME3, recruit everyone, do every side mission, and get to the end.

in short, I want YOU, Stanley Woo, to drop 100 hours into Mass Effect, and get to the end, and tell me it ISN'T Anti-climactic.

edit: and video tape your reaction, i wanna see this.

-AE

If you are paying for my time to do that, I would be happy to. Failing that, however, you'll have to be happy with me deciding my own priorites and getting to the games when I can. Gotta warn you, though, I'm not cheap and I like pie. Lots of pie.

If we had known this maybe we could have sent some pies along with the cupcakes?

I feel legitimately bad that they didn't get enough for everyone in Edmonton's office by the way. If they only give them to the ME3 team then John here loses out .

I absolutely loved that idea though. It's on point, yet silly. Anger doesn't promote conversation half as well as silly does.

[Ruari]

Dang. The one night I have a social night is when there seems to be a really great conversation with some BW staff. My luck.

Not really going to even try to grasp I'm sure the numerous lines of conversation going on here. Just wanted to thank Stan and John for being patient, as well as any lurker BW employees. Hopefully after the announcement of...whatever...in April we can all calm down some and relax.

[Exeider]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Exeider wrote...
I would request that you play ME1 to the end, do every side mission, import to ME 2, recruit everyone, do every side mission, every loyalty mission, then import to ME3, recruit everyone, do every side mission, and get to the end.

in short, I want YOU, Stanley Woo, to drop 100 hours into Mass Effect, and get to the end, and tell me it ISN'T Anti-climactic.

edit: and video tape your reaction, i wanna see this.

-AE

If you are paying for my time to do that, I would be happy to. Failing that, however, you'll have to be happy with me deciding my own priorites and getting to the games when I can. Gotta warn you, though, I'm not cheap and I like pie. Lots of pie.

No one paid me, why should I pay you? And if you aren't willing to "walk a mile" in our shoes by using your free time, like WE did when we bought each game, playing it on our free time, between work and obligations, If your not willing to that, then how can your reponses be expected to be genuine? And how can you even make a basis for ANY arguement?

being at bioware, I KNOW you can find a couple of copies of the games, AND the DLC, which you wouldn't have to pay for. Pick up some copies and play them over the course of the next couple weeks. Find time, I mean if you stand behind your product so much, then please, try them, I would find your analysis of them very interesting.

-AE

[Sawtooth357]

This one still does not understand the fan compulsion to mail the honorable Bioware small frosted confections. This one asserts that plankton and small fish eggs offer superior taste and dietary contribution.

[VigilancePress]

People, seriously?

Two folks from BioWare tune in, talk to us, and you start trying to drive them away by calling them liars and taking everything they say apart right in front of them.

...and you wonder *why* they aren't talking to us?

I mean, I'm angry about the game, but c'mon. When someone comes to the table, you don't slap them in the face and then expect them to talk to you.

[Tiax Rules All]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Wasn't this originally about a congratulatory thread about our efforts and now it's devolved into a thread about how bad we are? Due in no small part to the timely intervention of BW's PR team.

Probably just a coincidence.

WOW, you people. I dont care. I'm not Bioware.

Some people here are more then straight up a-holes but absolutely crazed with internet anonymity.

Woo has probably banned me more times then any other mod here, but he is the man. Go try to have a conversation with the other companies developers and employees in their forums (if they have one), see if they respond. Send them threats in e-mails and see where that lands you.

I am not happy with current endings either. But EVERYTHING that they have said in this thread has been true. about the fans reaction being a credit to the series' love AND about the destructive negativity.

Think before you adress the devs. why would they want to talk to someone raging on them? Why do you deserve a nice answer?

I remember I wasn't happy with changes they made in civ 5, it came out, it was bad. I went to the forums... never ever heard from a dev. there was one moderator who never responded. And no improvements were ever made.  Get over yourselves

thread titled "We're powerful"?  give me a break. If we are powerful its because Bioware allows us the forum and outlets to do so. Is it now like some kind of contest? to see how much rage we can produce?

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 29 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[Mriswith911]

I appreciate you guys taking the time to respond but it seriously sounds like the negativity has gotten to you to some degree. I understand this...I've witnessed negative backlash firsthand and, sad to say, participated in it in the past. In this case though I think you have to recognize that there is a reason regardless of what you may think about it. If the ending wasn't the way it is or if some more concrete teaser sort of information (I realize that sounds like an oxymoron but you get my point) was provided about the future of ME3 I think you'd see a lot fewer posts dissecting the ending and a lot more "zOMG awesome ending to an awesome series thank you BioWare" type posts.

I realize there will always be people that find things to complain about. It's up to us to realize that there are good ways to vent and bad ways to vent and not everything constitutes the end of the world (unless your readiness rating is too low - zing!). It's up to you guys to realize that maybe, just maybe, we have something legitimate to argue here. I don't mean physical threats or torch and pitchfork messages should be tolerated...not at all actually. I do mean that responses that amount to "well who asked your opinion about the ending anyway" might want to be avoided. You all are better than that and, frankly, we deserve better than that. It isn't a question of entitlement...just the symbiotic nature of video game companies and their fans.

At any rate I know it can be a thankless job so just hang in there at thanks for at least trying to engage here and there.

[The Angry One]

Grimez7 wrote...

WildcardCharlie wrote...

Grimez7 wrote...



Mr. Woo, get off these forums and go play the series from start to finish. You will be doing yourself a favor.

Actually, maybe stop just before the finish.

no, we need him to experience what we went through

Doesn't he already know? I doubt you'd get the predicted reaction.
If you go into the series with zero expectations that it'll turn out to be anything other than a quagmire of pointless and total death and darkness it probably won't have the same impact.

[T-Zero]

VigilancePress wrote...

People, seriously?

Two folks from BioWare tune in, talk to us, and you start trying to drive them away by calling them liars and taking everything they say apart right in front of them.

...and you wonder *why* they aren't talking to us?

I mean, I'm angry about the game, but c'mon. When someone comes to the table, you don't slap them in the face and then expect them to talk to you.

For the most part, the angry part of the thread seems to be gone.  Now we're just talking.

[John Epler]

VigilancePress wrote...

People, seriously?

Two folks from BioWare tune in, talk to us, and you start trying to drive them away by calling them liars and taking everything they say apart right in front of them.

...and you wonder *why* they aren't talking to us?

I mean, I'm angry about the game, but c'mon. When someone comes to the table, you don't slap them in the face and then expect them to talk to you.

Honestly, by and large people are being quite civil. There are always exceptions, but it's certainly the minority in this thread.