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[StrawberryRainPop]

Stanley Woo wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Ok but why exactly have you done the ending in the worst possible way? The endings of the prequels were great. Why the drastical change? I can't think about it without DA2 comming to mind.

I disagree that the ending was done "in the worst possible way." After all, there have been positive comments and it has spawned a lot of great discussion, theories, and criticism. A "worst possible" ending would not have had that kind of power.

Why is it so hard for you to stick to a successful formula? Is it a sort of contest? I don't get it.

If you have a formula to guarantee that everyone will like waht you've done, then you have a billion-dollar idea that every game developer would love to buy from you. But there are no guarantees when you're talking about business or creative ventures. At best, you can go with things that generally wort or things that many people would like most of the time. You can get a basic idea of the difficulty in coming up with a guaranteed winning idea by seeing the spectrum of emotions and threads posted in this very forum. Even in this thread there are varied responses and feelings about the ending.

i disagree, most of the theories and conversations spawned have been negative, this isnt like the positive theories people liked to come up with Inception, instead we see glaring plot holes, and endings that were not what the developers used to promise us, that they would be wildly different.

Honestly we only got 1 ending with a few variations and colors.

[SaladinDheonqar]

Hells yeah!!

[Kanner]

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

but the endings ARE oversimplified....come on dont deny that....

Sadly, the ME3 endings are a bit like The Matrix.  No-one can be told how bad they are - you have to see them for yourself.

Stanley just hasn't done that yet.

[Emberwake]

John Epler wrote...

goodventure wrote...

@John Epler

Quick question before I miss you.

Kaidan or Ashley?

Ashley. We had some good times in ME1 - despite the popular 'space ****' appellation, I always found her distrust of aliens to be, while not entirely reasonable, not without some amount of justification. I liked Kaidan, too - don't get me wrong. He did his job quietly and without complaint, and would only ever open up if you actively sought out his opinion. But he still ate a nuke, two out of three times.

John, I just have to say that your signature is amazing.

You are the epitome of bro, in every brossible way, and that's the Bro's honest truth, bro. I may have a bropensity for broverstatement, but this no mere hyperbrole: You are 100 brocent, absbrolutely the broest. Brotally.

Modifié par Lochias WH, 29 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[HenchxNarf]

FabricatedWookie wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

but according to kotaku we are the power @.@

I think they were being sardonic.

But don't you see what they have done? THEY HAVE MADE US THE MAN!

Even if you win, you don't really win (I would use a certain analogy, but it would be inappropriate)

[HenchxNarf]

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

still, the difference is whether or not Bioware decided to create a fake ending and release it as DLC for the real ending, which would explain the bad writing at the end.

I still find it hard to believe no one at bioware saw the ending and was fine with it. I  still think this was planned all along. There no way that huge drop in storytelling quality can go unnoticed. The only explanation is ending DLC, and right now Bioware knows we will definetly buy it....

Why? It's your opinion that the endings suck. It's other peoples opinion that they like it. And apparently BW liked their ending to their story, and as per Hudson, they're not changing it.

plot holes arent exactly an opinion. Its my opinon that it sucked since there no closure, but introducing a plot device at the last minute is bad writing, and having it create an abundance of plot holes, isnt opinion but fact.

Again, opinion. I don't think you understand the word plothole the way you think you do.

[jarrettwold]

Kanner wrote...
Sadly, the ME3 endings are a bit like The Matrix.  No-one can be told how bad they are - you have to see them for yourself.

Stanley just hasn't done that yet.

Except you're predicting other people's opinions on something they haven't seen.  That's condescending.  There are people that liked it.  I didn't like it.  But, I wait each and every time to see what people think of it.  I also refuse to spoil it.  

[Nathos]

Well... at least we still have CDProjektRed, i just hope that EA don't buy them before The Witcher 3. lol

[FabricatedWookie]

HenchxNarf wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

but according to kotaku we are the power @.@

I think they were being sardonic.

But don't you see what they have done? THEY HAVE MADE US THE MAN!

Even if you win, you don't really win (I would use a certain analogy, but it would be inappropriate)

an ME3 ending analogy seems completely appropriate >.>

[Dreogan]

HackNFly wrote...

If John is till around, would it be possible to create a thread just to speak to Bioware people who can talk to us. Many of us understand that you aren't at liberty to say anything regarding the endings or whatnot, but it was nice to get to hear from you as to what your work was like in ME2.

Suggested titles for thread:
Free Crucifixions
The Meatgrinder
In-n-Out Disembowelment
Catastrophe
The Maelstrom
Hurricane ****storm

... that was more fun than I thought it would be.

[BaKaNoOB]

Hold the line

[HenchxNarf]

Nathos wrote...

Well... at least we still have CDProjektRed, i just hope that EA don't buy them before The Witcher 3. lol

Not likely, they're a Polish company. It's possible, but unlikely.

and I'm still mad that they're releasing Witcher 2 on xbox first, though I heard its coming to PS3.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 29 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[jinxter69]

Holding the LINE!

[HenchxNarf]

jinxter69 wrote...

Holding the LINE!

BaKaNoOB wrote...

Hold the line

I guess no one read Stanley's statement that these are now considered spam...

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 29 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

HenchxNarf wrote...

jinxter69 wrote...

Holding the LINE!

I guess no one read Stanley's statement that these are now considered spam...

Yep, a lot of people missed that.  I doubt it being considered spam will stop it though.

[HenchxNarf]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...
Yep, a lot of people missed that.  I doubt it being considered spam will stop it though.

Probably not. Oh well, not our issue lol

[John Epler]

Lochias WH wrote...

John Epler wrote...

goodventure wrote...

@John Epler

Quick question before I miss you.

Kaidan or Ashley?

Ashley. We had some good times in ME1 - despite the popular 'space ****' appellation, I always found her distrust of aliens to be, while not entirely reasonable, not without some amount of justification. I liked Kaidan, too - don't get me wrong. He did his job quietly and without complaint, and would only ever open up if you actively sought out his opinion. But he still ate a nuke, two out of three times.

John, I just have to say that your signature is amazing.

You are the epitome of bro, in every brossible way, and that's the Bro's honest truth, bro. I may have a bropensity for broverstatement, but this no mere hyperbrole: You are 100 brocent, absbrolutely the broest. Brotally.

I changed it no more than half an hour ago, actually. Until then, it was 'I'm afraid we'll have to use.. math., from one of my favourite of the new Futurama episodes.

But the various ridiculous names that come out of bro culture amuse me far too much to pass up.

[Chibi Elemental]

John Epler wrote...

Fapmaster5000 wrote...

FabricatedWookie wrote...

Banelash wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

I miss all the fun But I'm glad they came around. I read through what they were saying and it's sad that people were being rude to them at the beginning.

@Bathaius They didn't alienate anyone. From what we know, they're only explaining and clarifying the endings. They're not changing anything.

Man have you seen CoD fans? Look what CoD fans did to Robert Bowling Tweet feeds. So much cursing and death threats.

Bioware fans are considered angels. Heck they even sent cupcakes to them.

But the cupcakes did have less than secret troll faces on them

You know, Bioware could have utterly flipped that troll around by declaring, "While we like the taste of red, blue, and green, the taste of your tiny, tiny tears were the best part."  I'd have been pissed, but I'd also have had to bow to them for that.

In my time in the games industry, I can think of maybe three people for whom I'd be sorely tempted to respond in a fashion similar to this. Only one of them comes from this forum, though, and two of them aren't even a result of anything BioWare related.

Not me but for some reason laidlaw and gaider come to mind >.> they are such trolls XD

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Danilo Luis wrote...

There's a huge difference between *listen* and give it the proper attention.

If you aren't willing to accept a response that disagrees with you, or aren't wililng to wait for an answer, or you insist that all of your issues must be resolved when you want them to be, then you're no longer making simple requests and giving feedback, are you? At that point, I would say you're making demands because you feel entitled to them, and we treat those very differently than we treat requests. Which is why we encourage people to be civil and patient and reasonable in their posts.

That goes out the window when you blatantly break clear promises over months leading up to the release. That's false advertising, especially when the promises were clear and specific (and as recent as a month before release).

But aside from that, we shouldn't have to demand anything. If someone in a company knowingly commits a colossal mistake (as in, major project-killing mistake), they should apologize and do whatever it takes to correct it. That person shouldn't dismiss others' criticism and outrage. That person shouldn't deflect responsibility or claim he/she did no wrong. That person shouldn't be forced to even acknowledge the mistake in the first place by dedicated, logical, reasonable, and massive outcry.

Entitled? Yes, I feel entitled to get the product I was consistently and clearly promised when I paid $80 for it (oh, and that soundtrack you put in with the collector's edition? It's missing at least a third of the music in the game. And it's all digital, so there's no "space" excuse there. Thanks for more false advertising!).

So fine, if you want to call us entitled, it's your right. Just don't be surprised when your fanbase walks away in outrage, never wanting to deal with you again (and warning everyone else they know away from making the same mistake). This is your mistake to correct. Don't insult us for trying to call you out on it.

[StrawberryRainPop]

HenchxNarf wrote...

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

still, the difference is whether or not Bioware decided to create a fake ending and release it as DLC for the real ending, which would explain the bad writing at the end.

I still find it hard to believe no one at bioware saw the ending and was fine with it. I  still think this was planned all along. There no way that huge drop in storytelling quality can go unnoticed. The only explanation is ending DLC, and right now Bioware knows we will definetly buy it....

Why? It's your opinion that the endings suck. It's other peoples opinion that they like it. And apparently BW liked their ending to their story, and as per Hudson, they're not changing it.

plot holes arent exactly an opinion. Its my opinon that it sucked since there no closure, but introducing a plot device at the last minute is bad writing, and having it create an abundance of plot holes, isnt opinion but fact.

Again, opinion. I don't think you understand the word plothole the way you think you do.

You mean plot holes are not facts? Arent plot holes facts like math? Honest question.

Anyway, Bioware did lie to us that there would be different endings, all their statements post release have been  "our endings will not be like A, B,C"
Theres so many parodies of this now. So the way they ended it was insulting, not to mention, Mass Effect is about the players journey, so choice is paramount.

[D4rth Man7iz]

We might be powerful but I just want to get news soon like mid-april or so hehe.

[EvilChani]

John Epler wrote...

A tangent, but reading Stephen King's On Writing cured me of what, for me, was an unfortunate habit - trying to plan out each and every bit of my writing. That's not to say that it's for everyone, though - it's a lot easier to write yourself into a corner when you don't have any kind of outline. But for me, the way my mind works makes it almost detrimental to plan things out too much in advance. I do best when it's off-the-cuff - the story I want to tell exists almost in its entirety in my head, after all, and putting it down on paper as an 'outline' seems to ruin something in the translation.

This is not meant as a comment on anything ME related, by the way - I just find it fascinating how different people have completely different writing styles.

The problem with outlining too much of a story is that, at some point, the characters refuse to cooperate with you and force the story elsewhere. Unless, of course, you say the hell with it and write them (or those around them) in a way that doesn't mesh with their characterization and call it a day, in which case you end up with plot-driven drivel. Stupid uncooperative characters...

[Torrible]

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

still, the difference is whether or not Bioware decided to create a fake ending and release it as DLC for the real ending, which would explain the bad writing at the end.

I still find it hard to believe no one at bioware saw the ending and was fine with it. I  still think this was planned all along. There no way that huge drop in storytelling quality can go unnoticed. The only explanation is ending DLC, and right now Bioware knows we will definetly buy it....

Why? It's your opinion that the endings suck. It's other peoples opinion that they like it. And apparently BW liked their ending to their story, and as per Hudson, they're not changing it.

plot holes arent exactly an opinion. Its my opinon that it sucked since there no closure, but introducing a plot device at the last minute is bad writing, and having it create an abundance of plot holes, isnt opinion but fact.

Again, opinion. I don't think you understand the word plothole the way you think you do.

You mean plot holes are not facts? Arent plot holes facts like math? Honest question.

Anyway, Bioware did lie to us that there would be different endings, all their statements post release have been  "our endings will not be like A, B,C"
Theres so many parodies of this now. So the way they ended it was insulting, not to mention, Mass Effect is about the players journey, so choice is paramount.

There are 16 endings if you want to make use of objective facts and math. The idea that the 16 endings are only small variations of one/three endings is debatable and subjective.

Modifié par Torrible, 29 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Hold the line.

[StrawberryRainPop]

Torrible wrote...

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

still, the difference is whether or not Bioware decided to create a fake ending and release it as DLC for the real ending, which would explain the bad writing at the end.

I still find it hard to believe no one at bioware saw the ending and was fine with it. I  still think this was planned all along. There no way that huge drop in storytelling quality can go unnoticed. The only explanation is ending DLC, and right now Bioware knows we will definetly buy it....

Why? It's your opinion that the endings suck. It's other peoples opinion that they like it. And apparently BW liked their ending to their story, and as per Hudson, they're not changing it.

plot holes arent exactly an opinion. Its my opinon that it sucked since there no closure, but introducing a plot device at the last minute is bad writing, and having it create an abundance of plot holes, isnt opinion but fact.

Again, opinion. I don't think you understand the word plothole the way you think you do.

You mean plot holes are not facts? Arent plot holes facts like math? Honest question.

Anyway, Bioware did lie to us that there would be different endings, all their statements post release have been  "our endings will not be like A, B,C"
Theres so many parodies of this now. So the way they ended it was insulting, not to mention, Mass Effect is about the players journey, so choice is paramount.

There are 16 endings if you want to use objective facts and math. The idea that all the 16 endings is actually only one is debatable and subjective.

Nono i meant arent plot holes facts?