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[Fapmaster5000]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...look's like Pax is going to be a joke!

I hope that is fake, for two reasons:

1.) That is going to be THE PRIMARY if not THE ONLY topic most people want to discuss.  They dodge that, they'll bring down far more fire than if they stepped into the storm directly.

2.) Pity the poor guy thrown to the lions in their stead.  If I were the guy tapped to be on the panel to replace Casey/Mac, I'd be fricking pissed at my own team for chucking me out there when THEY were the root of the issue (for better or worse).  

Hence, I'm hoping, and thinking, that they wouldn't do something like this.

EDIT:  Apparently it's true.  At least we're getting some senior people, producers and writers, and not "the guy who made the 'swoosh' noise for a door".

Modifié par Fapmaster5000, 29 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[Dreogan]

And how do you explain the attempts to orginize mass returns and bomb every review site everywhere else, also the BBB article list 54 unanswered complaints as the reason for the bad rating, 9 of which are label under "advertsiment issues" as in that fringe that believes bioware is guilty of false advertsiment.

http://www.bbb.org/e...onton-ab-111723

Also, filing a complaint with the FTC is also a sign of trying to get bioware to become a toxic asset for EA.

If the consumers feel like they have a legitimate complaint, why do you begrudge them? It's between the individual and the BBB/FTC/Bioware.

Oh, right. For no other reason than you disagree.

Modifié par Dreogan, 29 mars 2012 - 07:41 .

[HenchxNarf]

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Please go and learn what the BBB is and how it works before statements like these. (incase too lazy)

The BBB is thought to be reputable but its nothing more than a scam. You dont pay in, you get an F. You pay in and you get top marks.

Not quite, but good try.

Lol cute, i have experience and work with this on a daily basis ^^ and you're professional expertise is....?

I worked for a company who constantly had to deal with the BBB on a near daily basis. You don't have to pay to get good marks, you get good marks because you earn them as a company, not because of being paid.

[Quietness]

Reason for Rating
BBB rating is based on 16 factors. Get the details about the factors considered.

Factors that lowered Bioware Corp's rating include:

54 complaints filed against business - They are not obligated to respond, as they do not buy in
Failure to respond to 2 complaints filed against business. - Again they dont buy in

One complaint filed against business that was not resolved. - See above

BBB does not have sufficient information to determine size of business. BBB evaluation of business is based on rating formula's smallest size classification. - This is a huge mark against, also again, they dont buy in.

BBB does not have sufficient background information on this business. - This is a huge mark against, also again, they dont buy in.

[xsdob]

Dreogan wrote...

And how do you explain the attempts to orginize mass returns and bomb every review site everywhere else, also the BBB article list 54 unanswered complaints as the reason for the bad rating, 9 of which are label under "advertsiment issues" as in that fringe that believes bioware is guilty of false advertsiment.

http://www.bbb.org/e...onton-ab-111723

Also, filing a complaint with the FTC is also a sign of trying to get bioware to become a toxic asset for EA.

If the consumers feel like they have a legitimate complaint, why do you begrudge them? It's between the individual and the BBB/FTC/Bioware.

my point is that the poster I responded to was trying to say that none of the fans have been trying to sabotouge bioware, which is not true.

[Lost Mercenary]

And a voice said, "POWER!!! GIVE ME MORE POWER!!!!"

Modifié par lostmercenary99, 29 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[Fapmaster5000]

xsdob wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

And how do you explain the attempts to orginize mass returns and bomb every review site everywhere else, also the BBB article list 54 unanswered complaints as the reason for the bad rating, 9 of which are label under "advertsiment issues" as in that fringe that believes bioware is guilty of false advertsiment.

http://www.bbb.org/e...onton-ab-111723

Also, filing a complaint with the FTC is also a sign of trying to get bioware to become a toxic asset for EA.

If the consumers feel like they have a legitimate complaint, why do you begrudge them? It's between the individual and the BBB/FTC/Bioware.

my point is that the poster I responded to was trying to say that none of the fans have been trying to sabotouge bioware, which is not true.

I know of one guy, from a pool of at least 50,000, who tried that stunt.  Outliers do not the masses make.

[Quietness]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Please go and learn what the BBB is and how it works before statements like these. (incase too lazy)

The BBB is thought to be reputable but its nothing more than a scam. You dont pay in, you get an F. You pay in and you get top marks.

Not quite, but good try.

Lol cute, i have experience and work with this on a daily basis ^^ and you're professional expertise is....?

I worked for a company who constantly had to deal with the BBB on a near daily basis. You don't have to pay to get good marks, you get good marks because you earn them as a company, not because of being paid.

Lol than you are getting ripped by whatever reps you are working with. We've had the BBB close 14 cases without us even having looked at them in our favor. They will do everything in their power to rule in the paying favor.

[Dreogan]

xsdob wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

And how do you explain the attempts to orginize mass returns and bomb every review site everywhere else, also the BBB article list 54 unanswered complaints as the reason for the bad rating, 9 of which are label under "advertsiment issues" as in that fringe that believes bioware is guilty of false advertsiment.

http://www.bbb.org/e...onton-ab-111723

Also, filing a complaint with the FTC is also a sign of trying to get bioware to become a toxic asset for EA.

If the consumers feel like they have a legitimate complaint, why do you begrudge them? It's between the individual and the BBB/FTC/Bioware.

my point is that the poster I responded to was trying to say that none of the fans have been trying to sabotouge bioware, which is not true.

This is dangerously close to arguing semantics, though. Of course there's going to be a few crazies in any group as large as the 40k+ angry people at the ending.

[HenchxNarf]

Nevermind, it's not worth it to argue with that person, they don't listen anyway.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 29 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[Fapmaster5000]

Guys, keep it $%&#@* civil in here. We had a good thread until this nonsense started.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Fapmaster5000 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...look's like Pax is going to be a joke!

I hope that is fake, for two reasons:

1.) That is going to be THE PRIMARY if not THE ONLY topic most people want to discuss.  They dodge that, they'll bring down far more fire than if they stepped into the storm directly.

2.) Pity the poor guy thrown to the lions in their stead.  If I were the guy tapped to be on the panel to replace Casey/Mac, I'd be fricking pissed at my own team for chucking me out there when THEY were the root of the issue (for better or worse).  

It would be two betrayals in one!

Hence, I'm hoping, and thinking, that they wouldn't do something like this.

I wouldn't be surprised. At all.

[Dreogan]

Fapmaster5000 wrote...

Guys, keep it $%&#@* civil in here. We had a good thread until this nonsense started.

There's probably going to be 10 pages of spam, but Quietness tends to... not give up. Ever. And they do tend to make good points. Repeatedly.

[xsdob]

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Please go and learn what the BBB is and how it works before statements like these. (incase too lazy)

The BBB is thought to be reputable but its nothing more than a scam. You dont pay in, you get an F. You pay in and you get top marks.

Not quite, but good try.

Lol cute, i have experience and work with this on a daily basis ^^ and you're professional expertise is....?

I worked for a company who constantly had to deal with the BBB on a near daily basis. You don't have to pay to get good marks, you get good marks because you earn them as a company, not because of being paid.

Lol than you are getting ripped by whatever reps you are working with. We've had the BBB close 14 cases without us even having looked at them in our favor. They will do everything in their power to rule in the paying favor.

Could it be that the rep of the BBB in your area is just a corrupt ****, and not representative of the entire BBB. Just like how apparently even though there are people who do things to sabotauge bioware, they don't count as the majority, or even minority, of bioware fans.

[Dreogan]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Nevermind, it's not worth it to argue with that person, they don't listen anyway.

Holy crap, he found a mirror!

[Quietness]

HenchxNarf wrote...

BBB AccreditationBioware Corp is not BBB Accredited.Businesses
are under no obligation to seek BBB accreditation, and some businesses 
are not accredited because they have not sought BBB accreditation.To be accredited by BBB, a business must apply for accreditation and BBB must determine that the business meets BBB accreditation standards,
which include a commitment to make a good faith effort to resolve any 
consumer complaints. BBB Accredited Businesses must pay a fee for 
accreditation review/monitoring and for support of BBB services to the 
public.

They aren't accredited, which means BBB can't really rate them. 

Thats funny, BBB is rating them at an F and primarily because they dont have information on the company, which comes from buying into the plan.

[HenchxNarf]

Dreogan wrote...

Fapmaster5000 wrote...

Guys, keep it $%&#@* civil in here. We had a good thread until this nonsense started.

There's probably going to be 10 pages of spam, but Quietness tends to... not give up. Ever. And they do tend to make good points. Repeatedly.

Not really, but okay.

But, I agree. People need to be civil.

[Tossska]

PO-POPO-PO-PO-PO-POWEEEER!!!

[Quietness]

xsdob wrote...

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Please go and learn what the BBB is and how it works before statements like these. (incase too lazy)

The BBB is thought to be reputable but its nothing more than a scam. You dont pay in, you get an F. You pay in and you get top marks.

Not quite, but good try.

Lol cute, i have experience and work with this on a daily basis ^^ and you're professional expertise is....?

I worked for a company who constantly had to deal with the BBB on a near daily basis. You don't have to pay to get good marks, you get good marks because you earn them as a company, not because of being paid.

Lol than you are getting ripped by whatever reps you are working with. We've had the BBB close 14 cases without us even having looked at them in our favor. They will do everything in their power to rule in the paying favor.

Could it be that the rep of the BBB in your area is just a corrupt ****, and not representative of the entire BBB. Just like how apparently even though there are people who do things to sabotauge bioware, they don't count as the majority, or even minority, of bioware fans.

We're based out of Alberta, i live a few hours from Edmonton (Bioware's Location) so again thank you for proving my point that the BBB is nothing but a scam and should not be taken seriously 

[HenchxNarf]

xsdob wrote...

Could it be that the rep of the BBB in your area is just a corrupt ****, and not representative of the entire BBB. Just like how apparently even though there are people who do things to sabotauge bioware, they don't count as the majority, or even minority, of bioware fans.

Pretty much ^ this. The company had a perfectly fine score and didn't pay into the system.

[Fapmaster5000]

Tossska wrote...

PO-POPO-PO-PO-PO-POWEEEER!!!

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Now I'm drivin' for real!

In other news: The BBB exists, and has no bearing on this thread.  In any large group, people can be idiots.  Many very loyal customers are upset at the endings.  If you are not, wonderful, please stop baiting.  If you feel you are being baited, please don't respond with trolling.  Don't tap the glass.  Don't pet the geese.  Don't feed the bears.  

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Modifié par Fapmaster5000, 29 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[HenchxNarf]

Fapmaster5000 wrote...

Tossska wrote...

PO-POPO-PO-PO-PO-POWEEEER!!!

Pow Pow Power Wheels!
Pow Power Wheels!
Power Wheeeeeeeeeeels!
Now I'm drivin' for real!

Power Rangers!

[TF_FTW]

John Epler wrote...

Isichar wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Honestly, I don't think it's possible for anyone who's worked on the franchise extensively to approach the games in the same way as a fan who's been here since the beginning. By our very experiences we are already looking at things from a different perspective than you - while you romanced one or two people over your ME2 playthroughs, I've romanced all of 'em. Multiple times. My job, for six and a half months, was to scour the conversations on the Normandy and make sure to document any kind of weird cinematic design bugs that I could find.

I've already seen how sausage is made. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a hot dog from time to time, but even if I still love them, I'm looking at them in a different way than you are. It's not something I can really do much about - I can't just forget the six and a half months I spent checking every possible permutation and variation of every possible dialogue that would fire on the ship. That's not to say that there aren't some people who can approach the games without their experience being coloured in such a fashion, but I don't think either Stan or myself are that person.

I think you underestimate how thoroughly some of us have played through this game...

Oh, I don't doubt that there are people who've seen the vast majority of most of the Normandy conversations. But it's a rather different experience when you play something with the intention of breaking it, versus playing it with the intention of enjoying it. I had Excel spreadsheets with the various ways to go through all the conversations, just to make sure I hit every single branch. And I did it. Numerous times. It's part of why it took me so long to play through ME2 - every time I got to the Normandy, I had to put the game down.

Lovely Excel for QA ... still the best , now ofcourse the juniors think otherwise but damn is still the best . 
You where the only one testing the normady dialogue ?  I can see your pain and how easly you could have forget a plot twist  .


BTW, i didn't like the ending because of the new plot introduced in the last 10 minutes mainly due to the lack of explanations given to the player . And  there is the  plot hole regarding the mass relay's and Arrival DLC . Otherwise the game is Great(it would be Stellar if we could  mod it for SP only ofc ), i would have wanted to last more and have more missions  and was hopping for MAKO return . MAKO game me a real feel of freedom . Now if you could combine ME1 mako side missions and RPG  with ME3 graphics and combat  ..... take my money please

Anyway guys keep up the good work .

[Kanner]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...look's like Pax is going to be a joke!

Yay.  Everyone can look forward to more PR management attempts, and most importantly MORE SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE.

[jarrettwold]

Dreogan wrote...

jarrettwold  wrote:
 It was crushing.  Because, at that moment my epic hero was transformed into little old me.  A bit personal, but that's why I escape into video games, music, movies and books.  There are times where I need a little more hope than life's giving me

You already knew the answer-- added emphasis for you. What we've seen throughout this whole ordeal is the penalty of the storyteller breaking the suspension of disbelief. The story, the fictive universe, of Mass Effect, existed in your mind for five years. When those last five minutes came about, a series of errors forced you to second-guess the story, brought you out of that universe, and did much more damage to that universe (by invalidation) than the explosion of relays could ever do to the actual universe of Mass Effect. The fabric of Mass Effect was torn.

This has happened in smaller scale in other works, but Mass Effect is unique. You were led through, again, five years and three "renewals" of the writer-reader contract. Every single "renewal" multiplies the destruction of the universe when the suspension of disbelief is broken.

It didn't exist for me for five years, as I picked up Mass Effect 2 last year.  I think in some ways that video games deliberately break the fourth wall and that's a good thing.  I mean, today's 360 avatars are going to be vividly real in oh 20 .  The possibility of it visually being a simulacrum of me is a very real possibility, hopefully a bit more buff That's where Mass Effect is groundbreaking is in that it did it so well.  It really reached out and was like here you're Shep.  The illusion of choice was so well done compared to previous games.  

As far as writer-reader contracts.  I have no idea, or experience in that.  I wouldn't even try to go to a wiki and read what exactly that meant... but yea.  I would say that playing ME2 last year kept it fresh for me going into this year.  

I would love to see a panel of sociologists and psychologists dissect the impact of Mass Effect and the ensuing backlash.  I don't know why this resonated so quickly and so loudly.