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[Gormane01]

well we know Bioware is going somewhere with this ending (where no one knows and speculation is very ... 'rich' at this point)

Wouldn't it be reasonable to conclude that whilst ME3 has issues in it's current form, it has been a 'success' from a basic units sold standpoint (out selling DA2). Presumably they have broken even (only they know the truth) and they have promised to 'deal' with the ending in some way.

I figure it's hard to be patient but we all just need to be. Although I do hope they release something before PAX... otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if the nerd rage resulted in physical harm to the poor bioware employees there, which would obviously be a bad thing.

[ogj835]

Cool stuff.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

twizbuck wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Greer wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Danilo Luis wrote...

There's a huge difference between *listen* and give it the proper attention.

If you aren't willing to accept a response that disagrees with you, or aren't wililng to wait for an answer, or you insist that all of your issues must be resolved when you want them to be, then you're no longer making simple requests and giving feedback, are you? At that point, I would say you're making demands because you feel entitled to them, and we treat those very differently than we treat requests. Which is why we encourage people to be civil and patient and reasonable in their posts.

That's quite the low blow, don't you think?

Most people weren't expecting a fix right now. We know those things take time. All most people wanted was acknowledgement that we were upset, that there had been an error in judgement made, and that steps would be taken to rectify said error.

Instead, we got silence.

Mr.Woo is correct actually.  I did not know BioWare telling you they are listening and taking feedback from fans and then Ray coming out and telling you they are working on it and more details will be announced in april is silence.

That is in no way silence, obviously there are rules, and they can't just go out and tell you what you want when you want.  They atleast can tell you they are working on it, which they have said multiple times.

How is this not enough for people?

Because there's no guarantee the announcement will be what the fans want. And yes, I know not every single fan wants a different ending, but the vast majority does, and we need to make sure that's what the announcement will be about. If it's on anything else Mass Effect related (Retake Omega, Multiplayer especially), it could and most likely will be disasterous for Bioware.

Listen, what is in the game is not just going to go away, people need to get over that, it is NOT going to happen. IT'S GOING TO STAY THERE.  Hopefully though there will be ending DLC.  We have to wait until April to see though, if you do not get what you wanted in the april announcement, THEN you can complain, but right now, they said they're working on it and we will find out more in april, so why do people continue to complain?

[ahandsomeshark]

sistersafetypin wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

As a fan base are we paragon or renegade?

We are Paragade

chaotic neutral 

[Mev186]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that BioWare was populated with talented, creative individuals who have ideas of their own that they would like to implement in the game. I didn't realize that each and every facet of the game needed to be in response to a fan's request.

Mr. Woo, I resprectfully say that this does seems like a rash and unnessesary over reaction.. No one is saying that Bioware is untalented, uncreative. Why would we be so angry about this if Bioware has not shown time and time again that they are truly the masters of their craft. No, not every facet of the game needs to be affected by the fans and I do not hear people demanding that the entire game be redone.

If you wish to sum up the conclusion of a multi-part epic game series as
"Red, Green, and Blue," then feel free to. But please don't then
complain that the endings are oversimplified. You are the one who has
slapped that label onto it, not us.

The game was marketed as something that would be based around the
choices we made that you provided. We were not given that. We were given
three choices of which cutscene do we wanted to see. In the end, we had
very little choice at all. It was the Starchild that determined what
would happen for us. The game was built on complexity, but the ending
felt oversimplified.  I'm sorry of you do not feel the same way. We can agree to disagree but I was under the impression that Bioware would consider constructive criticism. Not over react like how you did there.

This is NOT to say you guys are untalented or anything of the sort and you should know that. We love Bioware, We love Mass Effect.  We've spent many hours with the game and it's characters. We want to see them put to rest in a way that is up to the standards that Bioware has so rightfully earned.  Everyone makes mistakes, it happens.  Most of us understand that/

[Divitiacus]

Geneaux486 wrote...

If you don't understand the reason people are upset you really don't listen as you say you do.

This is what I'm talking about. For one thing, fans of the game are not unanimously upset. Secondly, disagree with someone else's viewpoint doesn't mean the "don't understand" it. The endings are defendable, and it's mostly been fans of the games doing the defending around here. That alone shows that the ending is not universally hated.

Defending something using strawmen is not a real defense. I expect it from amateurs on a message board, not professionals.

Modifié par Divitiacus, 29 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[Dragoonlordz]

The Angry One wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
I disagree that the ending was done "in the worst possible way." After all, there have been positive comments and it has spawned a lot of great discussion, theories, and criticism. A "worst possible" ending would not have had that kind of power.

You can't be serious.
The theories this ending has spawned relate to the desire to erase it entirely.
The indoctrination theory is entirely based on the idea that it was all a dream and never happened, so appalled are people by this conclusion.

Yes, some people like it. But overall, their reasons don't stand up to scrutiny. The rest of us have laid down detailed reasons as to why these endings are fundamentally broken, and the discussion they've spawned are not the kind that any true ending to a trilogy like ME3's deserves.

You do not get to say that part crossed out. We who like it spent the same amount of money as you, many of us including myself have been around as long or longer than many of those who hate it. Just because we came into it with different expectations and desires plus better self control over our reactions for the last title in the trilogy or even the last 10 minutes does not invalidate our like of what you do not. So plot holes cause you to throw a hissy fit or anger? Well thats valid to you, they do not cause me them in this case. My desires for the remaining last 10 minutes of the game are different to yours but equally as valid whether you like it or not. Where they see a literary failure, I see an enjoyable game and emotional success. Where they bought it for conclusion and end of the trilogy, I bought it game to merely continue the story of the previous two. Where they bought it for these so called 16 endings, I bought it knowing would have an ending of which it did just some people do not like that ending. Whether someone thinks I am being critical enough does not matter to me, I paid for a game that lasted 45 hours and of which I gained enjoyment from during that time.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[Blackmind1]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Also I'd like to know if you think Bethesda is populated with talented and creative individuals or not.
If Todd Howard and the rest of Bethesda, who've made some great games over the years, can stand up and admit they messed up, then I ask you why can't BioWare?

Oh please. Bethesda are NOT talented individuals. They have a talented art and sound team, yes, but it's taken them 10 years to bring out the same game 3 times, each time it's simply been dumbed down more than the last. Skyrim was a boring, useless piece of crap, and the only reason it got the awards it did was because the industry is in such a terrible place, that a hiking simulator with dragons can be considered game of the year. Not considering the mountain of bugs, how unfinished the game is and how much Todd Howard lied about in-game features even 2 months before launch.

Sounds alot like a game and company we all know.

Most developers are like this now, it's the nature of the industry. Why make a quality game when you can just patch after launch?

It annoys the hell out of me, too.

[shepard1038]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

As a fan base are we paragon or renegade?

We are Paragade

chaotic neutral 

Im sorry to say this but more like renegade.

[Snakedude4life]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm sorry.

Forgiven, but not forgotten.
 

I was under the impression that BioWare was populated with talented, creative individuals

 
So was I, Mr. Woo. So was I.

who have ideas of their own that they would like to implement in the game. I didn't realize that each and every facet of the game needed to be in response to a fan's request.

Request? More a fan's expectation. An expectation of having a satisfying conclusion to my epic space opera. I didn't get one.

Woo, I'm disapoint. 

If you wish to sum up the conclusion of a multi-part epic game series as "Red, Green, and Blue," then feel free to.

Will do, but I'm not alone.
 

But please don't then complain that the endings are oversimplified. You are the one who has slapped that label onto it, not us.

Tomato, Tomayto. You say "Control", "Destroy" or "Systhesis". We say "Blue", "Red" or "Green".

What was that thing about if it walks like a duck...?

(I still would like to hear how you guys missed that)

I would be wary of making such assumptions. Since you aren't on the development team, you can't really know if it was missed, what the issues invovled are, or how or why it appears in the final game. This is a common assumption when players find bugs in the game, but few bugs are well and truly "missed," as you define it.

Well, It one thing for it to be a bug that was a rare thing to occur in shop, it's quite another if you guys KNEW about it but didn't tell anyone one about it until after the release.

So did you (or the testers) miss the bug or "missed" it?

Modifié par Snakedude4life, 29 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[ahandsomeshark]

lillitheris wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that BioWare was populated with talented, creative individuals who have ideas of their own that they would like to implement in the game.

If only they'd been given the chance to…

but few bugs are well and truly "missed," as you define it.

I assume you didn't mean to imply that bugs are intentionally left in the game.

yeah I think I understand what he was trying to say, but that's still a like a rather odd response. No we didn't miss the bugs, we just chose to ship the game with them.

[Chernaya]

Just the fact that Bioware even acknowledges how fans feel and talks to them directly is amazing. It's why it upsets me when I see people spewing hate towards them about the endings and other things they didn't like, instead of constructive criticism. If you treat them like that, how long will they keep listening? D:

[BioJaegar]

I like how Stan Woo has completely avoided the discussion of GLARING PLOT HOLES in all the endings.

Screw artistic integrity, how you end the game is fine- i just want it to make SENSE. Shepard just blew up every relay in the galaxy- how is anyone even alive? Shepard accomplished what the Reapers never did- kill ALL life, space faring or not, in the galaxy.

Mission accomplished.

[Skirlasvoud]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Snakedude4life wrote...

But who asked for this ending? What feedback showed you (or rather the designers) that we wanted "space magic"? or a ending that can be summed as "Red, Green or Blue"? Also, did the feedback show that people who might want to import an ME1 Face would have problems?

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that BioWare was populated with talented, creative individuals who have ideas of their own that they would like to implement in the game. I didn't realize that each and every facet of the game needed to be in response to a fan's request.

If you wish to sum up the conclusion of a multi-part epic game series as "Red, Green, and Blue," then feel free to. But please don't then complain that the endings are oversimplified. You are the one who has slapped that label onto it, not us.

Oh please Stanley. Bioware is also populated with hardworking employees who need to meet quotas set by their corperate employers. A construct, that ensures corners are cut and endings are rushed. You're geting dangerously close to manning the "artistic integrity" barricades again and well....

Let's just say that's a hot LZ and a front so vaguely defined and thinly manned that it's untenable. You're creating consumer products formost, art at a distant second, in my humble opinion. Anything else just smacks of hubris to me. While I'm not making the mistake of claiming that Bioware owes me anything, I will excert the right to some stringent consumer feedback.

And this company/art/fanbase conflict is Bioware's own damn fault too. When Bioware seems to do well, it's all about fan feedback and working together. When the solid waist excrement hits the ceiling mounted air displacement unit however, you claim independance, artistic stubborness and knowing it best yourself. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Welcome to the flipside.



And yes, I will call the endings oversimplified as a matter of strongly supported opinion.

When mr. Hudson promises us:

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”


Then I'm damn sure to call your current expression of this GROSSLY oversimplified to his earlier predictions. Maybe that's my own fault for overestimating you guys, but what do I know about advertisement and consumer expectations. I don't run my own PR branch. That' Bioware's job. In fact, yes, I am going to make a biased assumption:

Between your pre-launch advertisement, leaked script, last month changes and firing writing staff, Bioware didn't know what the hell it was doing. That's my fan perception.



Thanks for taking the time to listen. Your job can't be easy on forums like this but I'll be damned not to continue taking potshots at Bioware when you jump in front of the scope.

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 29 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[camcon2100]

Geneaux486 wrote...

If you don't understand the reason people are upset you really don't listen as you say you do.

This is what I'm talking about. For one thing, fans of the game are not unanimously upset. Secondly, disagreeing with someone else's viewpoint doesn't mean they "don't understand" it. The endings are defendable, and it's mostly been fans of the games doing the defending around here. That alone shows that the ending is not universally hated.

First no one is ever unanimously upset ever...A large majority maybe but everyone has valid opinions. Claiming entitlement on expecting a coherent ending is not unreasonable. Some people can deal with broken ending and yes when I say broken I mean going against basic storytelling.

[warrior256]

camcon2100 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Ok but why exactly have you done the ending in the worst possible way? The endings of the prequels were great. Why the drastical change? I can't think about it without DA2 comming to mind.

I disagree that the ending was done "in the worst possible way." After all, there have been positive comments and it has spawned a lot of great discussion, theories, and criticism. A "worst possible" ending would not have had that kind of power.

Why is it so hard for you to stick to a successful formula? Is it a sort of contest? I don't get it.

If you have a formula to guarantee that everyone will like waht you've done, then you have a billion-dollar idea that every game developer would love to buy from you. But there are no guarantees when you're talking about business or creative ventures. At best, you can go with things that generally wort or things that many people would like most of the time. You can get a basic idea of the difficulty in coming up with a guaranteed winning idea by seeing the spectrum of emotions and threads posted in this very forum. Even in this thread there are varied responses and feelings about the ending.

Honestly this makes me worried Woo. If you don't understand the reason people are upset you really don't listen as you say you do. It has been spelled out multiple times. Ending a game with a promise of a non A, B, and C ending and then coming out with and ABC ending was not what you promised. Ending a game and a series with a cliff hanger is not a good thing to do. Seriosly its very simple. The ending is incoherent it goes against basic story telling. Fan's arn't angry we are upset that the amazing and well thought out story you created is literally dropped in the last 10 seconds. The end of a trilogy is not where to speculate, unless there is another game after words. This was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story which its not. I respect you a lot Mr. Woo but if you don't understand what went wrong in the ending I don't know why you are bothering to "listen" to us...

I totally agree with this. There is a difference between disagreeing with our opinions and not understanding them. Based on the way you've responded to us Woo, it is clear that you simply do not understand us. How hard is it to understand why we dislike the endings when there are countless posts, hundreds of video, and God know how many memes that have sprung up explaining why we dislike the ending. If this is supposed to be healing the wounds that have been created, then it's not doing a good job to be honest.

[Blackmind1]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
I disagree that the ending was done "in the worst possible way." After all, there have been positive comments and it has spawned a lot of great discussion, theories, and criticism. A "worst possible" ending would not have had that kind of power.

You can't be serious.
The theories this ending has spawned relate to the desire to erase it entirely.
The indoctrination theory is entirely based on the idea that it was all a dream and never happened, so appalled are people by this conclusion.

Yes, some people like it. But overall, their reasons don't stand up to scrutiny. The rest of us have laid down detailed reasons as to why these endings are fundamentally broken, and the discussion they've spawned are not the kind that any true ending to a trilogy like ME3's deserves.

You do not get to say that part crossed out. We who like it spent the same amount of money as you, many of us including myself have been around as long or longer than many of those who hate it. Just because we came into it with different expectations and desires plus better self control over our reactions does not invalidate our like of what you do not. So plot holes cause you to throw a hissy fit or anger? Well thats valid to you, they do not cause me them in this case. My desires for the remaining last 10 minutes of the game are different to yours but equally as valid whether you like it or not. Where they see a literary failure, I see an enjoyable game and emotional success. Where they bought it for conclusion and end of the trilogy, I bought it game to merely continue the story of the previous two. Where they bought it for these so called 16 endings, I bought it knowing would have an ending of which it did just some people do not like that ending. Whether someone thinks I am being critical enough does not matter to me, I paid around £30 for a game that lasted 45 hours and of which I gained enjoyment from during that time.

Amen to that. I would love to do an age poll at some point. How old people are and their first Bioware game. I'll bet we could pick apart the entitled ones pretty fast, and nearly all of them would be a hell of a lot younger than the long time fans who trust Bioware to fix this.

[Greer]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Greer wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Danilo Luis wrote...

There's a huge difference between *listen* and give it the proper attention.

If you aren't willing to accept a response that disagrees with you, or aren't wililng to wait for an answer, or you insist that all of your issues must be resolved when you want them to be, then you're no longer making simple requests and giving feedback, are you? At that point, I would say you're making demands because you feel entitled to them, and we treat those very differently than we treat requests. Which is why we encourage people to be civil and patient and reasonable in their posts.

That's quite the low blow, don't you think?

Most people weren't expecting a fix right now. We know those things take time. All most people wanted was acknowledgement that we were upset, that there had been an error in judgement made, and that steps would be taken to rectify said error.

Instead, we got silence.

Mr.Woo is correct actually.  I did not know BioWare telling you they are listening and taking feedback from fans and then Ray coming out and telling you they are working on it and more details will be announced in april is silence.

That is in no way silence, obviously there are rules, and they can't just go out and tell you what you want when you want.  They atleast can tell you they are working on it, which they have said multiple times.

How is this not enough for people?

Look at the way I wrote that list again - we were initally met with nothing more than silence (and tweets that insulted our intelligence from Chris Priestly, and the @masseffect twitter responding favorably to posters who called those of us upset with the endings vile things I cannot repeat on this forum for fear of being banned). That went on for nearly a week and a half. And then we got the thread that said "We're listening", but never a statement made. And then came the "Feedback" thread, but no promise to do anything beyond listen. And go back and read Dr. Ray's statement again: it essentially boils down to "The critics loved the game, so we don't know why the fans aren't happy, but since they apparently just don't get it, we're going to clarify for them." (with the lovely implication that they're having to do this because the reason we're upset is that we're just too stupid to understand the ending on our own).

The reason it's not enough is because this has been bungled terribly from the start. And, even nearly a month in now, they still very obviously aren't listening.

Modifié par Greer, 29 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[ahandsomeshark]

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Divitiacus wrote...

Greer wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Danilo Luis wrote...

There's a huge difference between *listen* and give it the proper attention.

If you aren't willing to accept a response that disagrees with you, or aren't wililng to wait for an answer, or you insist that all of your issues must be resolved when you want them to be, then you're no longer making simple requests and giving feedback, are you? At that point, I would say you're making demands because you feel entitled to them, and we treat those very differently than we treat requests. Which is why we encourage people to be civil and patient and reasonable in their posts.

That's quite the low blow, don't you think?

Most people weren't expecting a fix right now. We know those things take time. All most people wanted was acknowledgement that we were upset, that there had been an error in judgement made, and that steps would be taken to rectify said error.

Instead, we got silence.

And then we were insulted.

And then we got some more silence.

And then we got a PR statement that essentially said we were nothing more than a vocal minority and Bioware was completely baffled by the outcry because all the critics loved the game, but because the fans were apparently too simple to understand the ending, it would be "clarified" for us.

This isn't about throwing a tantrum and expecting something now. Trying to paint it as such is disingenuous.

This is a very insightful post.

^^^^^This 100%

[Danilo Luis]

The fact is: we didn't get what we were told. That's all. We didn't retake Earth, we didn't get a lot of different endings, where our choices in the previous games mattered, we didn't get closure. So, yeah, we are angry for a reason: Bioware lied to us.

[The Angry One]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You do not get to say that part crossed out. We who like it spent the same amount of money as you, many of us including myself have been around as long or longer than many of those who hate it. Just because we came into it with different expectations and desires plus better self control over our reactions does not invalidate our like of what you do not. So plot holes cause you to throw a hissy fit or anger? Well thats valid to you, they do not cause me them in this case. My desires for the remaining last 10 minutes of the game are different to yours but equally as valid whether you like it or not. Where they see a literary failure, I see an enjoyable game and emotional success. Where they bought it for conclusion and end of the trilogy, I bought it game to merely continue the story of the previous two. Where they bought it for these so called 16 endings, I bought it knowing would have an ending of which it did just some people do not like that ending. Whether someone thinks I am being critical enough does not matter to me, I paid around £30 for a game that lasted 45 hours and of which I gained enjoyment from during that time.

Excuse me? I will say my piece, it's extremely rude to silence me in that manner.
No. Pro-ending reasons do not stand up to scrutiny. If you personally liked it. Fine, whatever. But attempt to argue it logically and it will be dismantled by the rest of us, because the ending is illogical.
It's out of character, it's nonsensical. You cannot justify anything that happens in the last 10 minutes.

If you are personally happy with an ending that makes no sense or simply don't care, those are valid viewpoints, I'm speaking of actually defending the narrative. This is objectively impossible.

[Zuka999]

I love and trust BioWare. I have for a very long time. The first game that I ever felt was truly mine was KOTOR. That has stuck with me ever since. Mass Effect 1 was a breakthrough for me as far as storytelling goes, it got me into writing and I have never stopped. I played that game dozens of times, its on my TV right now. Mass Effect 2 was even better, believe it or not! When I played Mass Effect 3, all I could think is, "BioWare has done it again." It was the most fantastic journey I have ever been on, these three games.

But the ending.. I get that the staff put their all into this. I get that they probably love this ending. I know it isn't a substance-less piece of garbage. It isn't those things! But it was supremely unsatisfying. It just didn't feel right for these games. If not for the hints and responses by BioWare that the ending will be fixed, I wouldn't even be able to pick up the controller and play my favorite game trilogy of all time.

Believe me, BioWare, I love you. I want to stick with you to the end of game days. I want you guys to always be the paragon of storytelling and progression for this medium. But I also want to be able to pick up my controller and know that at the end of this epic 150 hour journey I will be able to laugh and cry and feel fulfilled all the same way that I have all this time.

I have all respect for what BioWare was trying to do. I really, do. But that ending wasn't meant for these games.

[Danilo Luis]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Divitiacus wrote...

Greer wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Danilo Luis wrote...

There's a huge difference between *listen* and give it the proper attention.

If you aren't willing to accept a response that disagrees with you, or aren't wililng to wait for an answer, or you insist that all of your issues must be resolved when you want them to be, then you're no longer making simple requests and giving feedback, are you? At that point, I would say you're making demands because you feel entitled to them, and we treat those very differently than we treat requests. Which is why we encourage people to be civil and patient and reasonable in their posts.

That's quite the low blow, don't you think?

Most people weren't expecting a fix right now. We know those things take time. All most people wanted was acknowledgement that we were upset, that there had been an error in judgement made, and that steps would be taken to rectify said error.

Instead, we got silence.

And then we were insulted.

And then we got some more silence.

And then we got a PR statement that essentially said we were nothing more than a vocal minority and Bioware was completely baffled by the outcry because all the critics loved the game, but because the fans were apparently too simple to understand the ending, it would be "clarified" for us.

This isn't about throwing a tantrum and expecting something now. Trying to paint it as such is disingenuous.

This is a very insightful post.

^^^^^This 100%

This is what I tried to say with "proper attention". Because I, as well, felt really insulted with the responses we got.

[Tovanus]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Most people weren't expecting a fix right now. We know those things take time. All most people wanted was acknowledgement that we were upset, that there had been an error in judgement made, and that steps would be taken to rectify said error.

They did acknowlege that some fans were upset. That doesn't mean they would (or should) agree that the ending was a mistake. There are many good reasons to stand by it. Their willingness to compromise as much as they already have has gone above and beyond what I'd expect from any developement team.

There is absolutely no reason to stand by those endings and the only reason to want to do so is if you don't really care about the franchise anymore.

It'd be like someone arriving with a time machine on the Titanic as it's sinking, going up to the Captain, and saying, "I have this thing that can let you change all of this. You can go back and take a different route." And the Captain responding, "Nope. I'm going to stand by my decision to hit the iceberg."

Okay, maybe that's a bit extreme. But only a bit. The ending is so bad, that it pretty much wrecks your memories of the journey.  As one person in the picture thread put it: "Look at those whiny fans complaining about the ending rather than
focusing on the wonderful journey."

[Paparob]

I don't really think its debatable the biggest difference between the three endings cinematic is the color of the explosion. I'm not trying to pick on anyone, just saying.