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[SnakeStrike8]

SimKoning wrote...


You may notice that I haven't actually posted what I have figured out. That's because the explanation will likely result in tl;dr responses. 
 

I have to wonder why you bothered to make a topic of this at all if you didn't want to reveal what exactly changed your mind about the ending. If you're leaving the line for some reason discernable only to you, then why tell us you're doing that if you don't want to also tell us why?
Were you worried about being dogpiled by all the mates who hold the endings in much less regard than you? If you were, then why say anything at all? Why not just smile sadly and shake your head at all the anti-ending threads instead of deliberately saying that you now like the endings for a reason that the rest of us cannot fathom?

[The Interloper]

He's just trying to get attention. people. Move along.

[Jat371]

fle6isnow wrote...

I liked the ending precisely because it is a puzzle. I'd love to hear your theories on this as well.

Exactly! Like one of those 1000 piece puzzles where you open the box and about 700 are missing. Then someone pissed on the rest so they're sorta warped and don't fit together very well.

[alberta]

Yes, you might do a video someday and BW might just do a game someday as well. But in regard to intellectual ending? Not in this lifetime or the next - bad is bad - and if you have to pretend to go down an intellectual path to explain yourself something these intellectuals couldn't accomplish in fact then you neither accomplish intellectual nor practical and certainly not enjoyable.

[effortname]

2484Stryker wrote...

Hmm, I don't have a problem with you enjoying the ending. I do, however, mind that you imply that the rest of us have yet to "figure it out" because it's intellectual, AND THEN refuse to post exactly what was so intellectual about it.

How about PM'ing me your thought process on the ending?

I do, though. Anyone who liked the ending is provably less intelligent than someone who didn't. This is a fact.

[NUM13ER]

I would have liked to hear the OP theory. Yeah some people are going to bash it but if your right or even partly right it would be nice if you can say "yep, that's what i was talking about" come the dlc clarification.

Right now it's a case of you've got a theory but won't share until you're proven correct. No disrespect but anyone can claim to know the "real" ending but won't say. Then come the dlc release declare "Just as I suspected!" So why not just say?

Modifié par NUM13ER, 29 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Well, I'm glad you found peace in the embrace of the Goddess. I'm close to finding peace as well.

By giving up on Bioware completely. With no other company would I have lasted this long, before simply saying "To Hell With it!"

But I'm remarkably close to just being... Done. I don't respect this company anymore, and I don't think they respect us.

I don't know, it's just insane to think how excited... How in love, with this serious I was less then a month ago though

Aww hang on 'til April, just in case...also have wine or whiskey (or both!) on hand....also just in case.

[Mr Indivisible]

SimKoning wrote...

 No, this is not an indoctrination theory thread. 

After a couple weeks of working things out in my head, I have to be intellectually honest and admit that there was a lot about the ending that did go over my head at first. It's not my fault of course, the information provided during the ending was so sparse that it did effectively become a puzzle; speculation for everyone indeed. Now that I feel that I have figured it out, I have an odd sense of accomplishment and a strange love/hate relationship with the ending. Hopefully the expansion of the ending with confirm my conclusions, but it will sort of rob the fun of figuring all of this out. 

You may notice that I haven't actually posted what I have figured out. That's because the explanation will likely result in tl;dr responses. 

I'm handing over my rifle and leaving the line. It's been fun, but Bioware is more clever than I thought. I would love to share my conclusions with other fans, but if I do it here, I will likely get met with strong resistance because it doesn't jive with indoctrination "theory", or the belief that the endings are objectively bad. Maybe I'll do a video.. I'll have to think about it. 

This is the problem, your waiting for confirmation on the conclusion. This was supposed to be the conclusion, speculation is not a conclusion.

[Eebatsama]

I wish I made enough blind illogical leaps to "understand" the ending!

[Ticonderoga117]

Hey, I'm all for someone trying to explain it beyond "You just didn't get it". So my friend, if you ever feel like writing up something on it to explain it, I'll give it a read. Until that day though, I still can't see how this made it beyond the notebook page it was scribbled on. Boggles my mind really, I mean, I know good ideas can come from notes like this but if it has the note "SPECUALTION FROM EVERYONE" you're doing it wrong, in my opinion, for a game like Mass Effect. Plus, wouldn't the truly epic ending this game deserved be thought of IN THE BEGINNING of the dev cycle? You know, like: "Hey guys, this is it, the big cheese to end Command "I'm more awesome than Chuck Norris" Sherpard's story, so let's figure out how to end it, then work from there.

Or maybe I'm crazy. *shrug*

[shepskisaac]

SimKoning wrote...

 No, this is not an indoctrination theory thread. 

After a couple weeks of working things out in my head, I have to be intellectually honest and admit that there was a lot about the ending that did go over my head at first. It's not my fault of course, the information provided during the ending was so sparse that it did effectively become a puzzle; speculation for everyone indeed. Now that I feel that I have figured it out, I have an odd sense of accomplishment and a strange love/hate relationship with the ending. Hopefully the expansion of the ending with confirm my conclusions, but it will sort of rob the fun of figuring all of this out. 

You may notice that I haven't actually posted what I have figured out. That's because the explanation will likely result in tl;dr responses. 

I'm handing over my rifle and leaving the line. It's been fun, but Bioware is more clever than I thought. I would love to share my conclusions with other fans, but if I do it here, I will likely get met with strong resistance because it doesn't jive with indoctrination "theory", or the belief that the endings are objectively bad. Maybe I'll do a video.. I'll have to think about it. 

Well, I for one would love to hear your discoveries/interpretations that AIN'T "omg indictrination!!!" So frankly, why not post it?  I have my own interpretations/theories as well and I'm waiting eagerly to see if clarification DLC confirms them

[cyborg2501]

@OP

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the endings. I'm sort of in the same boat as you - I feel overwhelmingly that more is coming ... and I can't wait to see how they tell it. Rather than convince myself (or let others convince me) that I hate the series because of lingering questions, I'll patiently wait and hang on to the fact that the entirety of the series, endings included, has been the most engaging and emotional piece of interactive fiction I've ever had the pleasure to experience. I do hope that the third chapter is closed in a memorable way that does justice to the characters... but for the time being I'm content to wrestle with those questions and why they made me feel the way they did.

Take your time, Bioware. Do things right, we all just need a little hope to hang on to.

Modifié par cyborg2501, 29 mars 2012 - 03:04 .

[alberta]

My opinion for what its worth - we have a nearly intact Reaper on Tali's home world - its weapon system was still in place - and at the time I was wondering why didn't the Geth swarm all over that Reaper to reverse engineer reaper weapons for all allied ships? Why didn't Sheppard demand both the Geth and Quarians reverse engineer similar weapons and shield as used by the Reapers themselves. That was huge lost opportunity dropped into allied hands and no one cared. That seemed so dumb.

[jumpingkaede]

alberta wrote...

My opinion for what its worth - we have a nearly intact Reaper on Tali's home world - its weapon system was still in place - and at the time I was wondering why didn't the Geth swarm all over that Reaper to reverse engineer reaper weapons for all allied ships? Why didn't Sheppard demand both the Geth and Quarians reverse engineer similar weapons and shield as used by the Reapers themselves. That was huge lost opportunity dropped into allied hands and no one cared. That seemed so dumb.

Why bother?  They got dat dere Crucible!  

[Sajuro]

SimKoning wrote...

 No, this is not an indoctrination theory thread. 

After a couple weeks of working things out in my head, I have to be intellectually honest and admit that there was a lot about the ending that did go over my head at first. It's not my fault of course, the information provided during the ending was so sparse that it did effectively become a puzzle; speculation for everyone indeed. Now that I feel that I have figured it out, I have an odd sense of accomplishment and a strange love/hate relationship with the ending. Hopefully the expansion of the ending with confirm my conclusions, but it will sort of rob the fun of figuring all of this out. 

You may notice that I haven't actually posted what I have figured out. That's because the explanation will likely result in tl;dr responses. 

I'm handing over my rifle and leaving the line. It's been fun, but Bioware is more clever than I thought. I would love to share my conclusions with other fans, but if I do it here, I will likely get met with strong resistance because it doesn't jive with indoctrination "theory", or the belief that the endings are objectively bad. Maybe I'll do a video.. I'll have to think about it. 

Please PM with your conclusions, because I accepted the endings from a roleplaying perspective that my shep was half dead and didn't have the strength or energy to get into a debate on ethics with star child so when the walkway to destruction extended, he went up that ramp knowing that the Reapers had to be stopped even if it cost him his life and hoping that future generations would learn from their mistakes and not repeat them.

[cyric085]

you can't explain or understand a rushed ending that makes no sense, since it was you know written in a rush and actually has nothing to do with the game itself.

the ending reminds me of fanfic for games/series that where written by depressed preteens that changed in logic and pace in almost every paragraph.

Modifié par cyric085, 29 mars 2012 - 03:19 .

[Dridengx]

I don't doubt him for not posting it, people would just troll. I am however curious and everyone else who is should PM him! lol

[Stonesoundjam]

Stockholm syndrome.

Some people just have no gumption to stay the course. They eat crap for two weeks and suddenly decide it's really somewhat tasty.

No. That won't do.

Hold the Line.

[viperabyss]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...


I have to wonder why you bothered to make a topic of this at all if you didn't want to reveal what exactly changed your mind about the ending. If you're leaving the line for some reason discernable only to you, then why tell us you're doing that if you don't want to also tell us why?
Were you worried about being dogpiled by all the mates who hold the endings in much less regard than you? If you were, then why say anything at all? Why not just smile sadly and shake your head at all the anti-ending threads instead of deliberately saying that you now like the endings for a reason that the rest of us cannot fathom?

I think the explanation he found comfort in was the indoctrination theory. I know some people believe in it feverishly. I've viewed most of the evidence put forth by the believers, and a lot of the information simply cannot be considered "facts", but rather "speculations". However, I do respect people's interpretations and opinions.

Good luck to you OP. I hope one day you'll be proven right.

EDIT: I guess my brain has failed me once again. OP does not believe in indoctrination theory. However, here's his reasoning if you'd like to know:

http://social.biowar...8905/1#10753604 

Modifié par viperabyss, 29 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[ryuasiu]

Dire Wombat wrote...

OP, your post is pretty passive-aggressive...

"I realized the ending isn't actually bad, it's just too smart for most people. But I can't tell you why because then people would disagree with me."

I dont aggree with the wording. I would problebly say most people are not open minded about the endings. So I really dont blame them for not sharing. 

[rexx1888]

its a video game, not an excersize in out of the box thinking. symbolism is great, if done correctly, but video games TELL us to do stuff or else we lose, so using symbolism too much to promote speculation is INCREDIBLY STUPID DESIGN.

just because you head cannon the ending doesnt make it rational or clever, it just makes whatever you thought fan fic, and shows the designers/writers were daft and did a crap job.

holding the line as usual

[AwesomeDudex64]

It was bad writing, don't see how you can make any sense of bad writing.

Bye.

[Grex11]

I would have preferred that you had stated your views on the ending and not just left them ambiguous. As it is, your post honestly has little merit without some kind of argument to back it up.

[DarkBladeX98]

NO!
Stay strong brothers!
Casualties were expected, but we will hold the line!

[DarkBladeX98]

Stonesoundjam wrote...

Stockholm syndrome.

Some people just have no gumption to stay the course. They eat crap for two weeks and suddenly decide it's really somewhat tasty.

No. That won't do.

Hold the Line.