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[Phattee Buttz]

While I commend the OP for deciding to sail away on a boat only he can see, I gotta say the whole "I know the answer but I'm not telling you" bit got old sometime around the 4th grade.

Modifié par Phattee Buttz, 29 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[ambroseaz]

I'm with Angry Joe. Introducing a new character in the last five minutes to explain everything that hasn't already been concluded is just lazy writing. You can call it cerebral, or intellectual or whatever bullsh!t cliche you like, but I think it all boils down to reaching for an excuse to justify EA's poor management. They adjusted an RGB tint slider over a single cinematic and told us it was sixteen endings. I wonder if they would have accepted a one dollar bill if I told them it was a hundred?

[cyrrant]

Glad to hear that OP found peace with the endings. I wish that I could. Until then, I hold the line.

[gudman]

I never actually "held the line", but I feel embarassed when people act like they're schoolkids.OP, I'm talking about you. When you say "I know the truth, but you're unworthy of it" you're showing that your actual intellectual level is about as high as that of a rock.

Modifié par gudman, 29 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[Phosphorus Pentoxide]

I envy you OP, wish I could be at peace with the endings. Sadly the just make my blood boil.

[agathokakological]

Listen to yourself!! You're... INDOCTRINATED

[Claym0re]

5th stage - acceptance.

[TheOptimist]

SimKoning wrote...

 No, this is not an indoctrination theory thread. 

After a couple weeks of working things out in my head, I have to be intellectually honest and admit that there was a lot about the ending that did go over my head at first. It's not my fault of course, the information provided during the ending was so sparse that it did effectively become a puzzle; speculation for everyone indeed. Now that I feel that I have figured it out, I have an odd sense of accomplishment and a strange love/hate relationship with the ending. Hopefully the expansion of the ending with confirm my conclusions, but it will sort of rob the fun of figuring all of this out. 

You may notice that I haven't actually posted what I have figured out. That's because the explanation will likely result in tl;dr responses. 

I'm handing over my rifle and leaving the line. It's been fun, but Bioware is more clever than I thought. I would love to share my conclusions with other fans, but if I do it here, I will likely get met with strong resistance because it doesn't jive with indoctrination "theory", or the belief that the endings are objectively bad. Maybe I'll do a video.. I'll have to think about it. 

Here's hoping the rest of us figure out whatever you have, I guess.

*Takes rifle*

As it happens, there's a new arrival who will probably want this. Later.

[alberta]

Dridengx wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If an ending is so vague and nonsensical that it becomes a "make your own ending", then it has failed. Period.

The ending only fails if you can't think for yourself or use your imagination.

Obviously you have a vivid imagination the ending didn't deliver.

[Dresden867]

Folks, you do realize that just shouting "Your experiences are not valid!" at him is in no way a useful or nonconfrontational approach to a discussion, right?

[Reptilian Rob]

txmn1016 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

No. The ending was not intellectual. If you think so, you're thinking about it wrong. Anyways peace.

The ending attempted to be intellectual but failed because someone didn't get their work proofread.

How does I use keyboard?

[Madecologist]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

While I commend the OP for deciding to sail away on a boat only he can see, I gotta say the whole "I know the answer but I'm not telling you" bit got old sometime around the 4th grade.

Indeed. I don't mind people that liked the ending. I do find it gratting when someone says that the 'ending is beautiful and intellectual, and the only reason people hate it is because they haven't figured it out." Is pretentious at best, is unfounded snobbery at worst (not that 'founded' snobbery is any better either).

You know when you are trying to get the Eclipse leader out of prison and Bailey asks you why and you tell him it is classified, he says "that is just another way of saying mind you own damn business."

Basically this is what it is, when someone says: "it is intellectual and you only hate it because you still don't get it. But I won't explain it, you have to figure it out for youself," is just a polite way of saying: "you are too stupid for these endings." Of course it will rub people the wrong way.

Now that I aired out the ugly truth of what these statements are, I will point out a critical flaw in this logic. Liking an ending that a lot of people hate does not make you intelligent. Just like using Grey Poupon does not make you cultured or rich suddenly. It is like when people buy art, and I mean any sort of art to stick in their living room. Then when they get guests over they are like: "I own a Beneau... I am so cultured and artistic myself." But the truth is they just come off as self absorbed snobs.

It is about the same thing, some people think by claiming they got the ending, see its beauty, and discover its intellectual epiphany they somehow proved they are 'better' because they like something the masses don't. Since we all know masses=inferior, they are now better people. This is a very erroneous way of thinking and merely makes you look like that person I exampled in my previous paragraph.

Short version, liking the unpopular does not suddenly bestow upon you ascension or intellectual/cultural refinement. Assuming that it does and then 'talking down' to the others even if done politely is just. as rude. You can like it, you can even 'understand' it. It doesn't mean others are ignorant or that you reached a higher plane of existance or whatnot.

Modifié par Madecologist, 29 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[D4rth Man7iz]

Some of us respect your opinion and while you are leaving the line right now, I'm sure you'll return once BioWare further explains plans to improve the ending.

[csmokey]

Its your right but before you choose watch this episode of south park The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs, just because you cant understand it doesnt always mean there is a deeper meaning to it, sometimes it means what it was you saw

[Unlimited69x]

They tried to be bold and it didn't work. Just like how C&C 4 tried to be bold and change the game mechanics. See how that game turned out?

[AlienWolf728]

Dridengx wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If an ending is so vague and nonsensical that it becomes a "make your own ending", then it has failed. Period.

The ending only fails if you can't think for yourself or use your imagination.

I didn't pay $60 to "use my imagination", I could have done that for free <_<

[thesnake777]

If you have found contentment with the endings OP good for you.
However I respectably disagree that the endings were intellectual. Now what I mean by this is that even if they had a good premise the execution of said ideas fell extremely short.

[Nisiar]

I had an idea about the ending as well that makes somewhat sense to me separate from the indoctrination theory (before I started browsing the forums.) I only finished this game last weekend. 

The final scene reminded me a lot of Geth's consensus experience and that is what I believe Shepard went into except it was the Reaper's.  There are questions throughout the games whether the Reapers would have the same type of Consensus or organization as the Geth.  Also Shepard asks at the end why she is holding a gun, and it reminded me of that scene when Legion said because it was most familiar to you.   The representative for the Reapers was the same child because that was the most precious memory for Shepard that the Reapers found in Shepard's memory.  That is what the Reapers do in their very twisted way, just as Geth treasure their important memories in the Consensus, Reapers take the best components of each cycle and keep them in themselves.  For some reason, the Crucible changes the balance and the decision is left for Shepard to choose the course of the galaxy.  Shepard can be honorable and duty bound to fulfill her promise and destroy the Reapers at whatever the cost (red - what I chose).  Shepard can choose to control the Reapers becoming their leader, changing their "consensus" (blue) or Shepard can unite both types of races in peace for both synthetics and organics (green).  Each decision comes with Shepard's sacrifice and another large sacrifice for the galaxy; red obviously Geth/EDI, blue, that the Reapers still exist, and green, that everyone loses some free will and individuality in the end for the price of peace.

However, this didn't change the fact that I still found the ending to be completely unsatisfying and had no desire to replay the game afterwards.

[FERMi27]

OP got indoctrinated by the enemy on the battlefield! Quick, incapacitate this marine for his own sake!

My God... his eyes... What have they done to him!

Modifié par FERMi27, 29 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Jadebaby]

Control do you read? we have a man down in the spoilers forum!........ No, we can't get a medic in, there's too much ignorance!..... I will continue to hold the line but this thread may go up in flames...... Roger control, will fall back to "so we can't get the ending we want after all" thread should this one go belly up. Just make sure SimKoning gets the burial they deserve!

[Wabajakka]

Wouldn't mind another theory that isn't indoc.

[thesnake777]

FERMi27 wrote...

OP got indoctrinated by the enemy on the battlefield! Quick, incapacitate this marine for his own sake!

My God... his eyes... What have they done to him!

Cerberus Operatives are en route to secure the line and deal with indoctrinated personnel. All marines are to be weary of unsecure Reaper tech.

[Hendrik.III]

Clear out the casualties and close those ranks! Form up!

[Jadebaby]

thesnake777 wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

OP got indoctrinated by the enemy on the battlefield! Quick, incapacitate this marine for his own sake!

My God... his eyes... What have they done to him!

Cerberus Operatives are en route to secure the line and deal with indoctrinated personnel. All marines are to be weary of unsecure Reaper tech.

GET OUT! You're not going to "Omega" us!

[JPR1964]

Claym0re wrote...

5th stage - acceptance.

Well said...

I accept nothing : something must change in the end...

Hold the line!

JPR out!