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#126
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Militarized wrote...

I think quite a bit of this just has a lot to do with what's wrong with our economic policies in general at the moment, this extreme form of crony capitalism being put forth is rearing it's ugly head in every part of the market it seems... EA/Bioware and places like IGN seem to be a replica of Goldman Sachs & AIG + Moodys.

I also have a theory that a lot of these issues come from public companies, Goldman Sachs was a decent company when it was privately run.


It makes sense, CEO's of publically traded companies have much shorter leashes and generally have to deal with more short-sighted demands.

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bumped everyone must read

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Just remember. When things become too bleak there is always retro-gaming people.

*Goes to play Phantasy Star IV on the Genesis*<3

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Surgate wrote...

Just remember. When things become too bleak there is always retro-gaming people.

*Goes to play Phantasy Star IV on the Genesis*<3


lol I still have my SNES. Gonna go start up my 50th play through of Chrono Trigger in preparation for when they finally release Chrono Break in 2130 ( I will still be alive because I am too stubborn to die and let Square-Enix off the hook)

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also a lot of gamers will probably hate me for saying this but I really think a reasonable move would be working out some sort of deal with gamestop where you get significantly more value for your trade in credit when you put it towards buying new games.

Also I really think the fixed price point needs to be thrown out the window (obviously much easier said then done at this point). Though it would be hard to imagine how it could be done since demand usually drives price and often times demand for games like CoD (which has much lower upfront costs) is well ahead of games like the Mass Effect series which would have huge developmental costs. I would willingly pay more money for games like Mass Effect but the number of fans who would might be pretty small.

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ahandsomeshark wrote...



It makes sense, CEO's of publically traded companies have much shorter leashes and generally have to deal with more short-sighted demands.


Exactly, it's all based on fast cash grabs... a lot of CEOs burn their companies and run with multimillion dollar packages while everyone else loses everything, all in the name of short-term gain. It's disgusting really... at some point all this greed will actually catch up to us. 

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Mendelevosa wrote...

Screw this, I'm going back to board games. Unless they start excluding game pieces from the packages and charging me extra for dices, cards, and player pegs.



look up risk legacy and tell me board games are not going down the same route. Thats actually worse actually becuase you couldnt play risk legacy again after playing it

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Surgate wrote...

Just remember. When things become too bleak there is always retro-gaming people.

*Goes to play Phantasy Star IV on the Genesis*<3


Indeed, I think i will be allocating this years game budget of mine to classics that ive missed.
Games without any kind of DRM or extreme copy protection systems.

Or maybe I will just fire up 3Drad(google it) again and start creating my own stuff.

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Alexraptor1 wrote...

Surgate wrote...

Just remember. When things become too bleak there is always retro-gaming people.

*Goes to play Phantasy Star IV on the Genesis*<3


Indeed, I think i will be allocating this years game budget of mine to classics that ive missed.
Games without any kind of DRM or extreme copy protection systems.

Or maybe I will just fire up 3Drad(google it) again and start creating my own stuff.


I am a retro-gamer. And even though I absolutely love old games, I am not a retro-gamer by choice; rather, by necessity.

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This is a scary trend. Video games are now being sold incomplete with the real ending only available after purchasing a DLC in addition to having paid for the game. We gamers should seriously consider boycotting companies that follow this trend and stick to companies that give us the full game when we buy it from the store. I have no problem paying for DLC if it adds to my experience in some way, but I do have a problem with paying for a DLC that "completes" my experience. For example, look at The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. When I bought the game back in 2006, I got the full game. When I reached the end of the game, it was the end of the story. Any and all DLC that I bought were only to add to my experience. None of them offered an extension to the main campaign.

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2484Stryker wrote...

"Pay $60 NOW to see the epic intro cutscene to one of the greatest games that will be released three years from now! Be the first 10,000 customers to do so and you'll receive a bonus main menu preview and a 20 second character creation screen! And there's MORE! Be the first 20,000 customers to sign up and you'll get 5% off on each of the $30 episodic main quest packs! There's 90 packs in total, so don't delay, call today!

*5% discount will not be applicable to the $100 secret ending pack (to released with main quest pack 90; official ending (to be released in 5 years) also will not have any discount and will cost $500


Sad but more true with each passing release. I thought day-one-dlc was a bad precedent and portends future gaming trends I just can't abide. I feel sorry for the gamers to come, developers are less interested in storytelling than profit making. I miss games like VTM Bloodlines and Deus Ex.

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Surgate wrote...

Just remember. When things become too bleak there is always retro-gaming people.

*Goes to play Phantasy Star IV on the Genesis*<3


You call a Genesis retro? I'm going to be playing on my original NES. Time to boot up Contra and kick soem Red Falcons back into space.

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I've actually filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and the Federal Trade Commission against Capcom for the crap they've pulled... I just had the misfortune of having some idiot file a complaint against Bioware for its endings at the same time (there's a difference between colossal disappointment and ILLEGAL false advertisement).

My complaint centered on their misleading advertisements that claims that on-disc content is "downloadable" content (when you don't download any content at all), as well as the fact they advertised a 2v2 local online co-op mode in Street Fighter x Tekken that is just not there in 360 copies (even if the videos, pamphlets, the game's own manual claim it should be).

Their response? I kid you not, here was Capcom's response to my formal complaint:

"Capcom does not believe there is any difference between downloadable and on-disc content besides the method of distribution. There is no discernible distinction. We apologize for the missing mode in the Xbox 360 version; the advertisements and manual printing were errors. We have no plans on adding this feature into the game. We suggest purchasing the PS3 version for the full experience."

... And thus Capcom pushed me to the edge. I MAKE video games; I know how the industry works, how development works, and I know the difference between questionable business tactics (day-1 DLC, online passes) and outright illegal and dishonest business practices (misleading advertisements, mislabeled content, etc.)

Too many people don't know their own consumer rights. I do.

So, note to all reading; avoid Capcom products like the plague. If you MUST buy a Capcom game, get them second-hand from the used games market.

The company in no way whatsoever deserves a single cent of your money, no matter how good their games are, not so long as their games intentionally give paying customers an intentionally inferior product from the one advertised, marketed, and promised.

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It is a Japanese company...no matter how bad EA is they are angels compared to the majority of Japanese game companies. This should not surprise any of you.

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These people are seriously living in dream land and have not been paying attention to the economy. Contrary to what the media has been saying it ain't getting better anytime soon, and the problem is worldwide.

These people keep trying to squeeze more golden eggs out of their goose and they may wake up and find out they've killed her.

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capcom have always been despicable though. If this is true, whichever of the current 3 console makers that doesn't implement measures against used games will win the generation hands down

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Garlador wrote...

I've actually filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and the Federal Trade Commission against Capcom for the crap they've pulled... I just had the misfortune of having some idiot file a complaint against Bioware for its endings at the same time (there's a difference between colossal disappointment and ILLEGAL false advertisement).

My complaint centered on their misleading advertisements that claims that on-disc content is "downloadable" content (when you don't download any content at all), as well as the fact they advertised a 2v2 local online co-op mode in Street Fighter x Tekken that is just not there in 360 copies (even if the videos, pamphlets, the game's own manual claim it should be).

Their response? I kid you not, here was Capcom's response to my formal complaint:

"Capcom does not believe there is any difference between downloadable and on-disc content besides the method of distribution. There is no discernible distinction. We apologize for the missing mode in the Xbox 360 version; the advertisements and manual printing were errors. We have no plans on adding this feature into the game. We suggest purchasing the PS3 version for the full experience."

... And thus Capcom pushed me to the edge. I MAKE video games; I know how the industry works, how development works, and I know the difference between questionable business tactics (day-1 DLC, online passes) and outright illegal and dishonest business practices (misleading advertisements, mislabeled content, etc.)

Too many people don't know their own consumer rights. I do.

So, note to all reading; avoid Capcom products like the plague. If you MUST buy a Capcom game, get them second-hand from the used games market.

The company in no way whatsoever deserves a single cent of your money, no matter how good their games are, not so long as their games intentionally give paying customers an intentionally inferior product from the one advertised, marketed, and promised.

actually, I believe that El-Spiko would say that his complaint also centers around false advertising, not a sad ending.  and the complexity of the whole bioware/ea complaint will take on new meaning if bioware tries to come out and say they had a "real' ending in the works as they were advertising this game as a complete ending to a trilogy.

personally, i'm surprised more of you weren't aware of the capcom thing or the getting rid of disks/used games future.  what do you think the ea origin account is all about?  the implications of the ea/bioware retake mass effect confrontation has implications beyond just a simple game ending.

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Dark days. Capcom, you failed to bring Monster Hunter to the west, you constantly gave up on supporting the small but vocal fan base. For what? So you could charge some chumps for the ending to a game? I think we're done here. If you ever make a new Monster Hunter I sure as hell wont be playing. Damn you and damn your crappy business to the bowels of hell for the way you treat customers.

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Stopped being a fan of Capcom games ages ago, but after that even if a title should interest me I think I'll pass. Hope that $1.99 makes up for all the people who just avoid your games now, Capcom.

Now to start becoming a vocal advocate against the direction the gaming industry is going. This is getting ridiculous.

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eddieoctane wrote...

Surgate wrote...

Just remember. When things become too bleak there is always retro-gaming people.

*Goes to play Phantasy Star IV on the Genesis*<3


You call a Genesis retro? I'm going to be playing on my original NES. Time to boot up Contra and kick soem Red Falcons back into space.


I still have my Atari 2600 ;) Space Invaders here I come!

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malra wrote...

Garlador wrote...

I've actually filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and the Federal Trade Commission against Capcom for the crap they've pulled... I just had the misfortune of having some idiot file a complaint against Bioware for its endings at the same time (there's a difference between colossal disappointment and ILLEGAL false advertisement).

My complaint centered on their misleading advertisements that claims that on-disc content is "downloadable" content (when you don't download any content at all), as well as the fact they advertised a 2v2 local online co-op mode in Street Fighter x Tekken that is just not there in 360 copies (even if the videos, pamphlets, the game's own manual claim it should be).

Their response? I kid you not, here was Capcom's response to my formal complaint:

"Capcom does not believe there is any difference between downloadable and on-disc content besides the method of distribution. There is no discernible distinction. We apologize for the missing mode in the Xbox 360 version; the advertisements and manual printing were errors. We have no plans on adding this feature into the game. We suggest purchasing the PS3 version for the full experience."

... And thus Capcom pushed me to the edge. I MAKE video games; I know how the industry works, how development works, and I know the difference between questionable business tactics (day-1 DLC, online passes) and outright illegal and dishonest business practices (misleading advertisements, mislabeled content, etc.)

Too many people don't know their own consumer rights. I do.

So, note to all reading; avoid Capcom products like the plague. If you MUST buy a Capcom game, get them second-hand from the used games market.

The company in no way whatsoever deserves a single cent of your money, no matter how good their games are, not so long as their games intentionally give paying customers an intentionally inferior product from the one advertised, marketed, and promised.

actually, I believe that El-Spiko would say that his complaint also centers around false advertising, not a sad ending.  and the complexity of the whole bioware/ea complaint will take on new meaning if bioware tries to come out and say they had a "real' ending in the works as they were advertising this game as a complete ending to a trilogy.

personally, i'm surprised more of you weren't aware of the capcom thing or the getting rid of disks/used games future.  what do you think the ea origin account is all about?  the implications of the ea/bioware retake mass effect confrontation has implications beyond just a simple game ending.


The difference is, I definitely feel Bioware didn't fulfill their promises... but in a court of law, their use of phrases, such as "wildly different endings" and "we wouldn't do one bespoken ending" can't be factually, unequivocally proven to be false. The consensus is that their words were untrue, but there are some, even in Bioware, that felt they delivered on their promises.

For Capcom, however? 100%, undeniable FACT that they advertised a selling-point feature that is missing in the game, admitted they did so, and then said that advertising it was "an error" and that they won't put it in the game, nor refund people who bought the game based on their own irrefutable, admitted lies and deceit. 

In Capcom's case, it's not a matter of semantics or opinions; the proof is there, undeniable, and they've even admitted it outright. They lied about a key feature of the game, then didn't bother to tell people it wasn't in the copies they bought, even while their advertisements are STILL running on websites.

In court, Bioware has a good defense; they can simply argue a divergence of expectations and misunderstandings. In Capcom's case, there is no defense, nor do they even attempt to hide it. They just feel they're so big and powerful and wealthy they can literally lie to their customers' faces, break their word and federal law, and get away with it.

As a game developer and a customer, I will not abide such blatantly apprehensible behavior. They are not above federal law, and violating the Federal Trade Act, which spells out quite clearly the nature of, and penalty for, false advertsiement, I hope they get their due comeuppance soon enough.

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Add Burnout to the series that has been killed by EA. I loved Paradise.

<OT>
Been thinking about how bad it's gotten for Sci-Fi:
Firefly = Cancelled
StarWars = Run into the ground
Star Trek = Turned into a light show for morons
BSG = Turned out all that was for a primer in Mormonism?
Babylon 5 = Well that's killed off

Best space opera I've seen lately is Legend of the Galactic Heroes and that was made in the late 80s.
</OT>

Don't worry GameLoft will have InfinityImpact out within a year for a B movie retake on a suspiciously similar adventure involving the tales of Captain Farmer with his/her trusty companions Nali and Rageus.

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C'mon people, it's artistic integrity!

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Garlador wrote...

I've actually filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and the Federal Trade Commission against Capcom for the crap they've pulled... I just had the misfortune of having some idiot file a complaint against Bioware for its endings at the same time (there's a difference between colossal disappointment and ILLEGAL false advertisement).

My complaint centered on their misleading advertisements that claims that on-disc content is "downloadable" content (when you don't download any content at all), as well as the fact they advertised a 2v2 local online co-op mode in Street Fighter x Tekken that is just not there in 360 copies (even if the videos, pamphlets, the game's own manual claim it should be).

Their response? I kid you not, here was Capcom's response to my formal complaint:

"Capcom does not believe there is any difference between downloadable and on-disc content besides the method of distribution. There is no discernible distinction. We apologize for the missing mode in the Xbox 360 version; the advertisements and manual printing were errors. We have no plans on adding this feature into the game. We suggest purchasing the PS3 version for the full experience."

... And thus Capcom pushed me to the edge. I MAKE video games; I know how the industry works, how development works, and I know the difference between questionable business tactics (day-1 DLC, online passes) and outright illegal and dishonest business practices (misleading advertisements, mislabeled content, etc.)

Too many people don't know their own consumer rights. I do.

So, note to all reading; avoid Capcom products like the plague. If you MUST buy a Capcom game, get them second-hand from the used games market.

The company in no way whatsoever deserves a single cent of your money, no matter how good their games are, not so long as their games intentionally give paying customers an intentionally inferior product from the one advertised, marketed, and promised.


I like the distiction you draw here because Capcom is without a doubt the most corrupt and unfair developer out there. As dumb as some of the moves Bioware has made for many people with regards to ME3 and DA2, they did not engage in any truely unethical or illegal practices ( I believe the Day 1 DLC was intended to boost CE sales instead of gounging players of the regular edition - turns out it wasn't THAT essential either).

Oh, the other major thing? Bioware is listening to it's fan base and actively engaging it instead of Capcom who draws an iron curtain and says "Buy it or GTFO." I will never purchase a Capcom game new until several key scumbags are fired. That Asura's Wrath stuff is complete garbage.

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Chrispynutt wrote...

Add Burnout to the series that has been killed by EA. I loved Paradise.

<OT>
Been thinking about how bad it's gotten for Sci-Fi:
Firefly = Cancelled
StarWars = Run into the ground
Star Trek = Turned into a light show for morons
BSG = Turned out all that was for a primer in Mormonism?
Babylon 5 = Well that's killed off

Best space opera I've seen lately is Legend of the Galactic Heroes and that was made in the late 80s.
</OT>

Don't worry GameLoft will have InfinityImpact out within a year for a B movie retake on a suspiciously similar adventure involving the tales of Captain Farmer with his/her trusty companions Nali and Rageus.


At least JMS crafted a decent ending(s?) to B5 such that I only have fond memories of it. 
Firefly at least got Serenity. Agree on the rest fully though ;)