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[Chrispynutt]

@Kingofthebonggo I agree. Bioware is standing very close to the line, but not over it in my book. That's why if there are decent DLC missions I will probably get them. I just think it is a disturbing trend at the moment. Especially when the £40+ game end of the market could so be undermined from mobile market transitioning to set top boxes.

Game/Gamestation just went in to administration. Now is not the the time play silly buggers with big retail releases.

[spacefiddle]

This is extremely poor timing. Companies with dollar signs for brains chasing after extreme versions of this model have picked the worst possible time. It's going to be amusing to see what happens next.

See, we've been going along with DLC. Why not, in its basic form? Instread of a 30-hour expansion for $30, we get slices of expansions for $10. Brilliantly, fluff can also be sold for 1-10 bucks, and not affect anyone else's actual game.

But this crap is pushing it too far, too fast. Left at a reasonable pace, we'd keep doing it, no problem, and profits will rise. But now? Kickstarter's just the first example.

A comic artist from Philadelphia went on Kickstarter to ask his fans for $55k to reprint some of his books. At the end of the drive, he had 1.2 million. That's One Point Two MILLION dollars. As it got out of hand he offered all sorts of fun stuff to backers, but even will all that, there was obviously more than enough to reprint EVERY damn book, and a lot more besides. And remember that the stuff he's funding will, itself, be sold.

Studios like the kids at Bastion prove you can make creative, original, engaging commercial art without holding your customers hostage. Places like Kickstarter will be the go-to for independent studios, designers, artists, musicians, anyone who can market an idea to the crowd.

Overuse of DLC will drive more people to this solution. Left at a reasonable pace, DLC would not cause people to get up in arms and flock to small indie studios; but driving it too hard, being too obviously greedy, causes backlash like this, and will.

[malra]

@ Garlador and KingoftheBongo

you are both correct in drawing a distinction legally it could be possible from a programming standpoint to say that your choices account for what is occuring in the end game and in general the language of the marketing is vague enough that a half decent lawyer could argue that all marketing promises were kept. However, I differ on the ethical issues. That we are even having to debate legalilty would be an indication that Bioware/EA are very close to crossing the ethical line, if they have not crossed it already. That is probably the single most important facor for them right now, they seem to have painted themselves in a corner - not a very good place to be in business. If they come out and say indoctrination was the intent all along and that there is a secret DLC ending that was going to be released after the fact they could face legal reprisal for having sold and marketed the game as a complete ending. If they come out and say they made a mistake, the story got away from them - it was group think at the highest levels - well, you lose the respect of the people who push your games like IGN, Gamefaqs, etc. and possibly damage a healthy money making relationship with the big reviewers but in the long term gain the respect of the fans. Say nothing, keep your money, your in-pocket reviewers, damage relationship with fans. They've already made the decision though and from a business perspective the ongoing silence doesn't seem like good news for the fans.

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Modifié par malra, 29 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[azerSheppard]

Here's the solution: "Yaaarrrrrrr"

[Dendio1]

Orange Tee wrote...

That first link is disturbing indeed.... But I'd do it for ME. Heck even if it cost $20

My point exactly
other games i will not pay for the ending.

Modifié par Dendio1, 29 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Peer of the Empire]

 They're trying to get rich quick then jump ship

Dumb down the population so they can trick them more easily, using our money to do so

Won't last, at some point there'll be too many dummies and not enough money, so make it now!

[Mandemon]

DLC are fine when you got game out and you want to add something in to it. Like Arrival and Lair of the Shadow Broker.

However, releasing game unfinished and then selling missing part as DLC, after asking full price for original? No, it does not work that way.

[TheRealBugz]

Eh, all i play is ME and Gears. I stopped buying Capcom games when they started re-releasing the same game with 2 extra characters.

[JulienJaden]

Orange Tee wrote...

That first link is disturbing indeed.... But I'd do it for ME. Heck even if it cost $20

No. If you do that, I feel I have the right to call you all sorts of names, because that **** is absolutely unacceptable.
If they charged money for a fix to that broken ending we've got, I will go out of my way to hurt EA and BioWare in any way I possibly can and that would include doing all I could to make people think twice before buying it, even if that means open harassment.

This is absolutely INSANE, people! Does Day-One DLC ring a bell? Many of us have paid for stuff that was on the disc and obviously was ready for shipping by the time ME3 was ready for mass production (and NOT produced after the game was finished - I don't believe that for a minute). We were ripped off and lied to, and we mostly let them get away with it! But they are going more and more in the direction of chopping games up and selling them to us piece by piece.

And this is where I draw the line. If I was a customer of any of these companies, I would declare open war on them. If this becomes the rule, not the exception, then piracy seems to be the only reasonable way to even get games in the future, because I will not pay full price for anything that isn't a complete game by any stretch of the imagination.

I refuse to let companies do that without making them feel my wrath and loathing.

Modifié par JulienJaden, 29 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[Risselda]

Remember the days, way back when, on super nintendo, playstation, and n64 when games came out they were 100% complete?

[die-yng]

So, in the eyes of the game journalists who scream for Retake Mass Effect blood, this would suppossedly be okay, because the DLC is part of Capcom's original creative vision and spmehow preserves their artistic integrity?

Makes me wonder how ripping fans like this is considered smart business and obviously okay in the eyes of gaming companies, while giving the fans the ending they desperately want is wrong adn against their artistic vision and integrity?

[csmokey]

most journalists are all in the big money pockets, so they are gonna push this bs as ok and the retake movement as whiny gamers throwing a fit

[csmokey]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Judging by the Retake movement, gamers are just whiney brats that'll give games that cater to fans 0/10 and will do disgusting things like compare it to getting their mother raped, or asking for people in Bioware to be fired, or the company to collapse, or make threads on how to get refunds and praise support on the people that do.

The fans are no better than the companies in my eyes.

Dont lump all of us in there, yeah some are acting like this and need a real reality check but companies like this need to be held accountable for these actions

[csmokey]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Screw this, I'm going back to board games. Unless they start excluding game pieces from the packages and charging me extra for dices, cards, and player pegs.

LOL yea imagine monopoly without go, DO NOT PASS GO PAY NOMINAL FEE FOR GO

[csmokey]

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[stuka1000]

Business practices such as these should be illegal and the sooner the law makers get to grips with it the better for us all; come to think of it I'm sure that the consumer protection laws of some western countries already forbid this type of practice.

[Baldurs Gate]

Don`t worry guys/gals. This practice won`t last much longer. Eventually the majority of the gaming community will reject this kind of behavior and it wont be sustainable or profitable anymore. We are already seeing it, more and more people is actually making their voice heard and some of the media is speaking in favor of us. It might not change tomorrow or in six months, but it will change. I`m sure.

[TygerHeart]

Intellevision vs Atari. Shovelware crap that was expected to sell to the 'idiots who buy games'.

E.T. phoned home... and has it's own dedicated landfill.

http://www.cinemable...rica-40953.html

[ramdog7]

Dispicable very frking dispicable

[apieros]

FatalX7.0 wrote...
Just like the next Xbox/Durango, we've heard from multiple sources that the Orbis will likewise have
some kind of anti-used games measures built into the console.

If true, and both PS4 and Xbox 720 have anti-used games built in, then I've just become a loyal Nintendo Wii U customer.

I'll keep my 360, enjoy the library of great games there, and forget Microsoft and Sony ever existed.

(Of course, all this is just uninformed speculation until E3 2013 at the very earliest.)

Modifié par apieros, 30 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[csmokey]

ill be switching over to PC gaming if the consoles cant get there act together, it is the superior system by far

[csmokey]

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[Jafryn]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The video game industry makes me sad.

http://kotaku.com/58...are-the-details

They can go to hell.

The ONE reason I'm a console gamer is to avoid all the DRM and liscensing crap you get on PCs. If Sony and Microsoft, pull something like that, I'll go back to PC gaming. And only for a few of the exceptional titles (and anything CD Projekt puts out).

[csmokey]

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[csmokey]

To BIOWARE, if EA is trying its best to get you to do this resist it because if you betray us loyal fans then you more than likely wont be around long as a company, if you want us to buy your product and the dlc that follows then make it worth it to us, dont just release apearance or weapon packs, release new levels with said weapons or multiplayer packs that come with the new weapons that can be used in single player, but if you are just gonna release half ass DLC or an ending that you are going to try and charge us for, then I will be returning all my copies of your games and will no longer support you by telling friends and family about your product, but if you respect us fans and give us quality products ill be a loyal fan as long as your in business. Also if you give us fans a note worthy end with the closure we deserve then I will sing your praise more so then ever before.

Modifié par csmokey, 02 avril 2012 - 05:08 .