zephuurs wrote...
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
Silvair wrote...
Trakarg wrote...
So, what, should we use bronze as a standard? Lol.
Bronze is the other extreme. use silver, because it's the average, the standard.
Bronze is easy
Silver is normal
Gold is hard.
You never use Easy or Hard as points of reference, because they are variations of the standard, Normal.
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
MCPOWill wrote...
Really?
I always view like this
Bronze: Normal
Silver: Hardcore
Gold: Insanity
jimmyw404 wrote...
zephuurs wrote...
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
I guess you missed the part where any good player can demolish bronze with any build/weapon and carry a team with any reasonable build/weapon on silver.
Modifié par zephuurs, 30 mars 2012 - 01:34 .
TexasToast712 wrote...
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
If they are totally useless then you wouldn't be able to beat gold. Good thing no class is totally useless in this game.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
Define "works" Of course you can beat gold with an underpowered class - does that mean it's not unbalanced? So you're saying that it's not unbalanced at all for some classes to be totally useless in gold compared to other classes?
TexasToast712 wrote...
If they are totally useless then you wouldn't be able to beat gold. Good thing no class is totally useless in this game.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
Define "works" Of course you can beat gold with an underpowered class - does that mean it's not unbalanced? So you're saying that it's not unbalanced at all for some classes to be totally useless in gold compared to other classes?
TexasToast712 wrote...
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
Bioware disagrees with you.jimmyw404 wrote...
MCPOWill wrote...
Really?
I always view like this
Bronze: Normal
Silver: Hardcore
Gold: Insanity
Bronze: Easiest
Silver: Easy
Gold: Normal.
1. Name one game where this is not the case.killacwalka3 wrote...
This is multiplayer in a tactical shooter. Weapons should not be inherently better than another. This game would be horrible for true competitive multiplayer because of this. The point of balancing is to make it so everything is equally effective, just in different aspects. This is the core philosophy of competitive multiplayer gaming. There should be no superweapons. An experienced player should not be granted an intrinsic advantage just because of the weapons he has been able to unlock. Adding competitive balance allows the competitive aspects of the game (scoreboard) to be balanced.
This is not an MMO and the MMO mindset that gear should make the difference is flawed for this type of game. What is the point of having multiple guns and classes if many of them are obsolete?
CheetahZ1 wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
Two weapon classes are mostly unviable on Gold, and even if they are viable, are very suboptimal.
People are going to complain about it. No one gives two **** if it makes other difficulties a bit easier because maybe people might decide to move up to a higher difficulty and actually get better at the game instead of staying at midtier because they are afraid to progress.
I should be able to use one Damn automatic gun on AR without feeling like I'm getting carried by my team. The best AR's for gold right now are the Avenger for cooldown times (done better by HP's) The Mattock (Which HP's do better) and the Saber from what I've seen. Don't have it myself so can't really comment.
Again automatic weapons in general are crap. People are going to complain about it until they are on Par with the heavy hitting weapons.
Get over it.
Silvair wrote...
Trakarg wrote...
So, what, should we use bronze as a standard? Lol.
Bronze is the other extreme. use silver, because it's the average, the standard.
Bronze is easy
Silver is normal
Gold is hard.
You never use Easy or Hard as points of reference, because they are variations of the standard, Normal.
TexasToast712 wrote...
CheetahZ1 wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
Two weapon classes are mostly unviable on Gold, and even if they are viable, are very suboptimal.
People are going to complain about it. No one gives two **** if it makes other difficulties a bit easier because maybe people might decide to move up to a higher difficulty and actually get better at the game instead of staying at midtier because they are afraid to progress.
I should be able to use one Damn automatic gun on AR without feeling like I'm getting carried by my team. The best AR's for gold right now are the Avenger for cooldown times (done better by HP's) The Mattock (Which HP's do better) and the Saber from what I've seen. Don't have it myself so can't really comment.
Again automatic weapons in general are crap. People are going to complain about it until they are on Par with the heavy hitting weapons.
Get over it.
Revenant, Phaeston, Vindicator, Geth Pulse rifle.
If you disagree then you are clearly bad at the game.
Can't tell if serious
Modifié par zephuurs, 30 mars 2012 - 01:46 .
Can tell you are bad at game.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
CheetahZ1 wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
Two weapon classes are mostly unviable on Gold, and even if they are viable, are very suboptimal.
People are going to complain about it. No one gives two **** if it makes other difficulties a bit easier because maybe people might decide to move up to a higher difficulty and actually get better at the game instead of staying at midtier because they are afraid to progress.
I should be able to use one Damn automatic gun on AR without feeling like I'm getting carried by my team. The best AR's for gold right now are the Avenger for cooldown times (done better by HP's) The Mattock (Which HP's do better) and the Saber from what I've seen. Don't have it myself so can't really comment.
Again automatic weapons in general are crap. People are going to complain about it until they are on Par with the heavy hitting weapons.
Get over it.
Revenant, Phaeston, Vindicator, Geth Pulse rifle.
If you disagree then you are clearly bad at the game.
No class is totally useless. Every class is just as viable as others (If you know what you are doing.)zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
If they are totally useless then you wouldn't be able to beat gold. Good thing no class is totally useless in this game.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
No. Everything works on Gold. Some just better than others. Get over it.zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
Define "works" Of course you can beat gold with an underpowered class - does that mean it's not unbalanced? So you're saying that it's not unbalanced at all for some classes to be totally useless in gold compared to other classes?
Here, let me finish bolding that for you. Let me italicize the part you missed reading as well
some classes to be totally useless in gold compared to other classes?
Yes, you clearly are. I use all of those weapons I listed on Gold all the time and I kill just fine.CheetahZ1 wrote...
Guess I'm bad then. You're still wrong, and I don't get why you have to come off with such an attitude in every balance topic.
TexasToast712 wrote...
Yes, you clearly are. I use all of those weapons I listed on Gold all the time and I kill just fine.CheetahZ1 wrote...
Guess I'm bad then. You're still wrong, and I don't get why you have to come off with such an attitude in every balance topic.
Depends on who is using it.CheetahZ1 wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
Yes, you clearly are. I use all of those weapons I listed on Gold all the time and I kill just fine.CheetahZ1 wrote...
Guess I'm bad then. You're still wrong, and I don't get why you have to come off with such an attitude in every balance topic.
Yeah and my friend used a Hornet X on his Engy on Gold. Scored third place 30k behind my Human Soldier with a Claymore I.
Clearly because something can kill a stunned Assault Trooper and Centurion makes it good.
zephuurs wrote...
TexasToast712 wrote...
On the hardest difficulty in ANY game. 90% of all the gear is supposed to be almost useless. The hardest difficulty is supposed to make you think about what you use and how you use it. OP is right. Gold is NOT the standard and shouldn't be what everything is balanced around.
This is why you never take a Avenger on Insanity or use a AR on a Halo Legendary campaign although these weapons are perfectly viable on normal/hardcore because the enemies aren't on steroids. Some guns are simply meant to be better than others. The sooner these morons learn that the better.
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon/asari adept/salarian infiltrator should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
zephuurs wrote...
jimmyw404 wrote...
zephuurs wrote...
Ah I see, so only one specific time of build/weapon should work. Makes perfect sense.
/Sigh
I guess you missed the part where any good player can demolish bronze with any build/weapon and carry a team with any reasonable build/weapon on silver.
I don't mind that you need a good build to play in gold. But, as an example, the soldier class (which I never play much since it is outclassed by any other class in gold) is totally useles in gold. But of course, that's the way it should be according to you. Oh yeah, forget using SMGs or assault rifles at all since there's only one way to beat gold efficiently- asari adept/salarian infiltrator/engineer. Who needs diverse team setups that use different class combinations?
Of course pressing 2 and then 3 as an Asari adept (OOPS I FORGET, PRESS 1 if you see a phantom) rinse and repeat is SOOO CHALLENGING.
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