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[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Personally I have no problem with either and it baffles me why some people are all 'OMG sex! gayelfsex BAN THIS FILTH!!' whilst barely batting an eyelid at the hyperviolence throughout the game.
Amidst the endless bloody beheadings, eviscerations, impalements, exploding guts and all sorts of **** flying arond theres a little bump and grind and people get ofended? by that?

I give no ****s, that is retarded.

Modifié par TripedWire, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:16 .

[DJoker35]

If you can find the solution to this, you may be on to solving a heck of alot of this societies issues.

[Psychoray]

TripedWire wrote...

Personally I have no problem with either and it baffles me why some people are all 'OMG sex! gayelfsex BAN THIS FILTH!!' whilst barely batting an eyelid at the hyperviolence throughout the game.
Amidst the endless bloody beheadings, eviscerations, impalements, exploding guts and all sorts of **** flying arond theres a little bump and grind and people get ofended? by that?

I give no ****s, that is retarded.

America.

[Tweekle]

Religious mythical culture

[Zenon]

I still keep wondering why the head of a decapitated enemy seems to evaporate before even touching the ground. I don't ask to be able to play football with it, mind you. Could be just lying around somewhere instead of just the corpse before all decomposes or vanishes quickly.



As for the erotic/nudity part of the post I would like to mention, that this question has been heavily discussed elsewhere. As long as there are sexophobiacs pulling strings to cause bad publicity or even a ban on a game in some countries, this is a touchy subject with game development. Then again it could have been a decision to focus on the romantic part more, than on the sex part, knowing there are games with more nudity available.

[xguild]

Its only in some cultures that this is issue, American culture, Swedish Culture. In Denmark you could have full frontal nudity on the front cover and it would probobly still be rated PG-13. Its all about the morale tight ropes of societies that set the standard, most of these can be traced back to mini communities in said country for example in Sweden its likely tied to the very strong femenist movement in which sex is seen as explotation of women in any setting.



My personal view on it is that there are still too many old generation (the baby boomers) who are in charge and they come from a 1950's world in which capital punishment is expected and showing a thigh makes you a hooker. Once we can shake the old farts out of office we'll probobly see a more flexible society, heading in the general direction it has been in the last 20 years. Unless of course younger generations revert which is a possibility as deprevity and violence in modern society are become more and more common and frequent.

[Matthew Young CT]

It's only in America. Amusingly in Europe generally it's the other way round.



As for why, Puritans mostly. Read dull history books

[Gecon]

I dont care for cut of heads either.



And explicit sex scenes in a fantasy game ... I really dont need that one.

[Creature 1]

There's already a billion page thread on this topic.



My opinion is that sex in the US is frequently problematic--we have pretty high rates of STDs and some are increasing, and we have a high teen pregnancy rate. Violent crime, contrary to the opinions of many outside viewers, is not a problem for most Americans. Your kid is more likely to end up pregnant/get someone else pregnant than to commit aggravated assault. So there's more concern about sexual themes in entertainment than violence.



Some European nations without our problems with teen pregnancy and so forth think this is totally unreasonable, I think they're an illustration of the proverb, "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." The US is not Europe, it is much more demographically diverse, and because of this has social problems that Europe doesn't have to deal with. What works for European nations does not necessarily work for the US.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Gecon wrote...

I dont care for cut of heads either.

And explicit sex scenes in a fantasy game ... I really dont need that one.

I'm a big fan of cutting off heads in games, it owns.

[Zenon]

Gecon wrote...

I dont care for cut of heads either.

I don't need that to enjoy the game. But why implement such a "cool" move, if it is only half-heartedly displayed? I say if you cut off a limb or head, that shouldn't just vanish. Ok, the limbs can't be cut off in DA:O. I don't request or need that either. It's just, IF it is part of the game why not show the effect completely?

Sometimes this game reminds me of the yakuza massacre in Kill Bill, where the excessive amounts of blood make it almost like a parody or satire instead of a brutal splatter scene.

I'm ok with the blood-level in a game, finally something where it is not turned green or black or cut out for Germany... But when it comes to rats or other rather small creatures to kill the amount of blood is a bit too much.

And explicit sex scenes in a fantasy game ... I really dont need that one.

Well, I'm not talking about explicit sex that much. In fact I remember one adventure with having an erotic scene involving full nudity having been tastefully done without appearing pornographic or obscene. It's just, that if you include a brothel (where even sodomy is hinted at) having the females wear full underwear, even more than usually worn (Morrigan) appears ridiculous. Especially in a mature rated game. But I repeat myself...

[Kerome]

Hmm... IRL sex = fun, violence = not fun... I think I know where I stand in the American way vs European way debate, less decapitation and more sex please

[Severance09]

TripedWire wrote...

Gecon wrote...

I dont care for cut of heads either.

And explicit sex scenes in a fantasy game ... I really dont need that one.

I'm a big fan of cutting off heads in games, it owns.

I second this motion.

[Zenon]

Creature 1 wrote...

There's already a billion page thread on this topic.

My opinion is that sex in the US is frequently problematic--we have pretty high rates of STDs and some are increasing, and we have a high teen pregnancy rate. Violent crime, contrary to the opinions of many outside viewers, is not a problem for most Americans. Your kid is more likely to end up pregnant/get someone else pregnant than to commit aggravated assault. So there's more concern about sexual themes in entertainment than violence.

Some European nations without our problems with teen pregnancy and so forth think this is totally unreasonable, I think they're an illustration of the proverb, "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." The US is not Europe, it is much more demographically diverse, and because of this has social problems that Europe doesn't have to deal with. What works for European nations does not necessarily work for the US.

Banning display of nudity or sex from any media, especially games, won't reduce the number of teenagers becoming pregnant. Banning violence from games won't reduce the violence or high-school shootings either. These are just prejudices and initiatives taken by politicians not caring about the real cause, but wanting to appear righteous and good to their voters.

Actually it makes me wonder, why teenage pregnancy and high-school violence is so much a topic in the US? It's a country where getting a gun is easy with a strong rifle association. It has the biggest porn industry of the world. And some of the greatest hypocrites get voted in high positions, hence senator Palin having puritan views and a pregnant teenage daughter. IMO the stronger you fight something, the less you inform your kids, the uglier the result. (I also loved Bowling for Columbine btw.)

[Smkswazi]

Because you know you are not gonna cut someones head off (if you are a ''normal'' person) but you know you are gonna have sex with someone (if you are a ''normal'' person) in IRL. So the question is how are you gonna react to sex IRL in relation to sex experience in games? But there is also violence IRL too as in games. Yes but to be violent to someone or to kill them than you are not ''normal'' where as having sex IS ''normal'' So being violent gets you arrested but having sex which you will do and is ''ok'' the question remains. How will you react or understand the relationship.



Please don't mind my gibberish.

[Jassper]

Mainly because of screwed up priorities and the overwhelming ideas of the younger generation who feel that the Government should raise their children so they don't have to.



Instead of a parent being responsible and telling their kid - "No, you are not playing that game", they want the gov to spend more tax money and create laws preventing sex from being in the game. This way they don't need to be a responsible parent.



Others who are personally offended by the sex, feel they have a "right" (as if it is in the constitution) to play this game - and should be able to do so without offense. Sorry, but you don't have the right NOT to be offended - however you DO have the right not to buy the game.



But it is all the product of the VLM.

[xguild]

Zenon wrote...


Banning display of nudity or sex from any media, especially games, won't reduce the number of teenagers becoming pregnant. Banning violence from games won't reduce the violence or high-school shootings either. These are just prejudices and initiatives taken by politicians not caring about the real cause, but wanting to appear righteous and good to their voters.

That's quite an interesting hypothesis, but you should be aware that studies have proven that there is a link to both and while there are certainly studies that can be used to dispute this to say it with so much confidence is a bit naive.  The truth is that no one has really proven it one way or the other so whether or not violance and sex in media has any impact on society is still a question that needs to be answered. 

Given that fact, it behoves us to as society to heir on the side of caution, after all, there is no impact on a child when he doesn't watch violance and sex, so it can be said that by avoiding it you are avoiding a potential problem.  I have kids and I can tell you that when i'm unsure about something, its best to be cautious and protect your kids.

You mention Bowling for Columbine and I think the interesting thing about that movie is that shortly after it was released people where getting in fist fights at the theaters in heated discussions about the movie.  Hence you could say that it was responisble for violance.

[Creature 1]

Zenon wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

There's already a billion page thread on this topic.

My opinion is that sex in the US is frequently problematic--we have pretty high rates of STDs and some are increasing, and we have a high teen pregnancy rate. Violent crime, contrary to the opinions of many outside viewers, is not a problem for most Americans. Your kid is more likely to end up pregnant/get someone else pregnant than to commit aggravated assault. So there's more concern about sexual themes in entertainment than violence.

Some European nations without our problems with teen pregnancy and so forth think this is totally unreasonable, I think they're an illustration of the proverb, "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." The US is not Europe, it is much more demographically diverse, and because of this has social problems that Europe doesn't have to deal with. What works for European nations does not necessarily work for the US.

Banning display of nudity or sex from any media, especially games, won't reduce the number of teenagers becoming pregnant. Banning violence from games won't reduce the violence or high-school shootings either. These are just prejudices and initiatives taken by politicians not caring about the real cause, but wanting to appear righteous and good to their voters.

Actually it makes me wonder, why teenage pregnancy and high-school violence is so much a topic in the US? It's a country where getting a gun is easy with a strong rifle association. It has the biggest porn industry of the world. And some of the greatest hypocrites get voted in high positions, hence senator Palin having puritan views and a pregnant teenage daughter. IMO the stronger you fight something, the less you inform your kids, the uglier the result. (I also loved Bowling for Columbine btw.)

I didn't say it should be banned, in fact I think Dragon Age should have more of it.  I was explaining why people in the US react more to sex in entertainment than violence.  

Teen pregnancy in the US is the result of two things:  High pregnancy rates among poor people, especially among black women, and high pregnancy rates in religious groups who have a "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" approach to teen sex.  Outside these group teen pregnancy rates are more similar to in Europe. 

Lots of us here would love to know how to fix these problems, especially the problems faced by black people (disproportionate shares of poverty, poor education, poor access to health care, violent crime, incarceration, drug use, STDs, teen pregnancy, single-parenthood. . .)  Europe does not have to deal with either of these situations, so the solution proposed by Europeans online (chiefly, "Get over it!") is not really very helpful. 

[rjchris2u]

Gecon wrote...

I dont care for cut of heads either.

And explicit sex scenes in a fantasy game ... I really dont need that one.

This was meant to be a "dark" fantasy you know. 

[xguild]

Jassper wrote...

Instead of a parent being responsible and telling their kid - "No, you are not playing that game", they want the gov to spend more tax money and create laws preventing sex from being in the game. This way they don't need to be a responsible parent.

Others who are personally offended by the sex, feel they have a "right" (as if it is in the constitution) to play this game - and should be able to do so without offense. Sorry, but you don't have the right NOT to be offended - however you DO have the right not to buy the game.

But it is all the product of the VLM.

Well its not so cut and dry but you make a good point.  Governments often take on rolls in society for which they are not intended and while each society in the world has their own vision of what a government is for, most western cultures agree that it is not their place to make decesions about how to raise our kids, its the parents and squarly the responsiblity. But in the same token we expect government to protect kids from their parents as well, after all, we want government intervention to ensure people aren't beating their kids, molesting their kids and other such harmful acts which are imposed by parents on their kids.  Hence the government taking a role in what our kids watch might be said to be an extended form of the government protecting kids from their own parents.

Wether or not its justified, constitutional or otherwise is certainly debetable, but there is definitly foundation for an argument either way.

I do agree with you though that the only legal right a person should have when they view something is the choice to not view it.  I don't believe the government should ever have the right to outright band material that might be offensive, but certainly its fair to say one will not know if something is offensive unless they view it so having a label that says "hey this might be offensive to you if you don't want to see sex and violance" is a fair play in my opinion as if at least gives people the oppertunity before viewing it to make a decesion.

[Direbrute]

Blame those pesky Christians.

[Zibon]

Because sex is normal behavior and people don't want others getting the "wrong" idea and becoming over sexualized.

Violence (particularly sword fighting with decapitations etc.) on the other hand is so obviously "wrong" that it doesn't matter much if people are exposed to it.  Domestic violence is handled a bit differently becomes it's more possible for it to be "acceptable" due to a lack of fatalities.

That's what I heard on the road anyway, take it as you will.

Modifié par Zibon, 02 décembre 2009 - 11:19 .

[Jassper]

Direbrute wrote...

Blame those pesky Christians.

It has little to do with Christians, but more so with the obscured views of the Christian faith.

Modifié par Jassper, 02 décembre 2009 - 01:18 .

[Vizkos]

Its the whole history of religion and ideals implanted into people's minds. If you recall from Christian lore, killing is as old as man is. From Cain murdering Abel to Philistines murdering Jews, to Jews murdering others, its a vast history of killing. Same could be said of other religions such as Islam, killing was basically all they did to spread their religion.  Of course, religion also vilifies sexual activity and says you shouldn't partake in it before marriage, and some even say that to take pleasure in it is a sin. Given that, many preachy types go around ****ing that sex is bad and bla bla bla and even though the vast majority don't agree with it, it has come to be a common ideal among people.

Modifié par Prosthetics511, 02 décembre 2009 - 01:26 .