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[StuartMarshall]

As mentioned, religious nuts and their "values" are to blame largely for this.

I wonder if given the choice between seeing the aftermath of a massacre or two people having sex (both cases in real life) what these puritans would choose and if it'd alter their viewpoint. (Maybe I don't want to hear the answer to that, as many oh-so-loving Christians and Muslims would laugh and party if they saw gays or other so-called "sinners" being burned alive)

Honestly, it's barely "sex" what happens in DA:O. I'm not one to get my jollies from video game sex but if the game is an 18+ rating then they could at least show it all minus the "private parts".

Modifié par StuartMarshall, 02 décembre 2009 - 01:28 .

[pathenry]

xguild wrote...
Once we can shake the old farts out of office we'll probobly see a more flexible society, heading in the general direction it has been in the last 20 years. .

You mean the thousands of gang-rapes and child sex abuse cases every year? That direction?

Cause yeah, thats much better than those facsist old farts did in the 50s, when people didn't need locks on their doors.

[Derek Faycron]

Direbrute wrote...

Blame those pesky Christians.

You definitely never heard about Chinese laws on violence and sex in video games.

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Well it is mentioned on the package some content would appear, if some does not like it at all, the violence or the sexual content don't play the game.



Before someone comes with the there is no parental lock BS again then I would have to say that the game on the package is rated m and the game is for people at the age 18 and up, it stand there written down on the box.



As for the sexual content, grow up guys... it is a nice refreshing thing in the game, there is no need to fight all the time through this game, if you are the religious sort of person or whatever then I don't get it why you can deal with the maker and elven gods etc. etc. as well as the vile violence there is, without or without the gore enabled.

[Dolphan_Randy]

When purchasing a game like this most people are familiar with the possibility that there might be violence portrayed, such as decapitated heads, blood, gore etc.... To achieve most of the goals of this game you need to kill things and use violence, it's an assumed acceptance. Sex of any kind is rarely a given in a game like this so some people may be surprised that it's included. I'm sure somewhere in the game description it's mentioned (I have not read it because this stuff doesn't bother me), maybe not "gay" relationships explicitly but there will always be people that are offended by such things. You can't make everyone happy. Bottom line is I'm glad I have a CHOICE. I can choose not to buy it if I don't want it. People in some other countried might not have the choice and that really sucks.

[voidcommander9111980]

chinese suck ...



Sex and violence must be always allowed in RPG's



And the first RPG that relly do this



was MASS EFFECT



So cut the stupid laws and such



and make good games



As my favorite Legacy of Kain Blood Omen was a long time ago xDDD



Silicon Knights FTW !!!



Joker out

[Kalcalan]

It's called hypocrisy. Sex is everywhere including American TV shows but it's still a big taboo. Still, Dragon Age gets away with a few things (like Fallout 2 or Arcanum did) and it takes a rather non pc stand on homosexuality and bisexuality (like Fallout 2).



People who actually state that sex is considered to be bad may have a point when you take into account Desire Demons. The overt sexuality of these succubi is a clear sign of their evilness. Even more so since the game lists demon types based on the seven sins. Ergo sex is bad. This statement is slightly mitigated by the attitude of some NPCs that I can't name (NO SPOILERS) but the idea that sex is sinful is still present. Perhaps I'm reading too much into this but the tension between on the one hand censorship with Morrigan's bra and the blatant depiction of evil as overtly sexual and on the other hand the open sexuality of some characters and the liberty to indulge into rather unconventional sexual practices translates into a rather complex picture that is not so different from the image that America projects (by that I mean the paradox of having censorship, true love waits movements and at the same time hooters, strip clubs and more porn than the rest of the world).



Another thing that I find funny in Dragon Age is all the blood especially taking into account the fact that heads just disappear when they are chopped off. Having them flying around would have been better than making such a concession to censorship in an attempt to tone down the violence. Or am I mistaken?

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Dolphan_Randy wrote...

When purchasing a game like this most people are familiar with the possibility that there might be violence portrayed, such as decapitated heads, blood, gore etc.... To achieve most of the goals of this game you need to kill things and use violence, it's an assumed acceptance. Sex of any kind is rarely a given in a game like this so some people may be surprised that it's included. I'm sure somewhere in the game description it's mentioned (I have not read it because this stuff doesn't bother me), maybe not "gay" relationships explicitly but there will always be people that are offended by such things. You can't make everyone happy. Bottom line is I'm glad I have a CHOICE. I can choose not to buy it if I don't want it. People in some other countried might not have the choice and that really sucks.

Dunno if people just would accept from whom each individual is, and not be brainwashed into thinking something is wrong by political or religious ideas that in some ways can come close to fanatical middle east ways kind of behaviour in a more civilized society then I am ok with for whomever would like to be straight or gay it doesn't matter really the game is not really allowed for kids and it is the parents duty and responsability to keep there kids not playing if they have raised the kids well enough to show some respect and not simply am spoiled brats that does not have a clue about things and think that everything is about them, but not about there sourroundings then people can do whatever they want to as long as they respect each other.

As long as people understand that the game is meant for 18 years old and up, since it is printed on the box on 3 locations actually that it is meant for people who has responsability for themself and the sourroundings they got one way or another.

Duh.... why are we even having a thread like this going again, if you are against romances in the game you can just avoid them plain and simple, if don't want to fight to much build up yout intimidation and persuade skills to avoid quite a bunch of it etc. etc. the final alternative is though to stop playing the game or find out about on the net in beforehand and consider buying it or not., simple as that.

Edit: btw the post is meant as agreeing to what you mentioned

Modifié par GHL_Soul_Reaver, 02 décembre 2009 - 02:05 .

[MartinJHolm]

Can we PLEASE not have these kinds of debates, they don't really relate to the game and only get people wound up.

[plecha]

pathenry wrote...

xguild wrote...
Once we can shake the old farts out of office we'll probobly see a more flexible society, heading in the general direction it has been in the last 20 years. .

You mean the thousands of gang-rapes and child sex abuse cases every year? That direction?

Cause yeah, thats much better than those facsist old farts did in the 50s, when people didn't need locks on their doors.

I am not too sure about this, but i would venture a guess that nowadays we just hear about more of such cases. Media coverage is certainly better than in the 50ies or so.

[simpatikool]

Jassper wrote...

Direbrute wrote...

Blame those pesky Christians.

It has little to do with Christians, but more so with the obscured views of the Christian faith.

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Blaming christians is the easy way out. There are very few faiths on this planet that don't preach virtue as it pertains to sex. This is not a unique trait of christians.

The fact that kids can face sex offender charges by simply "sexting" is reason enough for any company putting out a general population product to stay away from anything sexual in my book. Its cheaper to stay clean.

[Sibelius1]

pathenry wrote...

xguild wrote...
Once we can shake the old farts out of office we'll probobly see a more flexible society, heading in the general direction it has been in the last 20 years. .

You mean the thousands of gang-rapes and child sex abuse cases every year? That direction?

Cause yeah, thats much better than those facsist old farts did in the 50s, when people didn't need locks on their doors.

Gang rapes and child abuse have always taken place. The difference now is that more effective policing and support for people who want to speak out about these crimes results in far more of these b*****ds being caught and convicted. This together with media coverage of these issues have simply made them seem more prevalent today than what they have been in the past.

Increased exposure to a sometimes sensastionalist media is the reason everyone locks their doors these days. If they had a similiar level of news saturation in the 50's, everyone would have been locking their doors then too.

Removing sex scenes from a computer game will not affect the levels of rape and child abuse in any way.

[Sibelius1]

Double post

Modifié par Sibelius1, 02 décembre 2009 - 02:11 .

[voidcommander9111980]

simpatikool is so true

[Errel]

Gecon wrote...

I dont care for cut of heads either.

And explicit sex scenes in a fantasy game ... I really dont need that one.

Princess cinderella castle

There ya go.
Mind you, Cinderella is still pretty hot, and could cause your children serious emotional harm.

Modifié par Errel, 02 décembre 2009 - 02:11 .

[Tominokar]

Creature 1 wrote...

The US is not Europe, it is much more demographically diverse

This amused me. It's incredibly naive to suggest your own country that is only 200 years old is more diverse than 50 countries put together, some thousands of years old. France alone has 77 regional languages and dozens of native ethnic groups, let alone the 8% of its population from non-European cultures. The sects of the Christian Church are also much more numerous and evenly distributed in Europe, along with other non-Christian religions.

So you cannot possibly blame the prudishness of the American public on its 'diverse demography'. If anything, it's the complete opposite- the lack of cultural diversity that causes intolerance for anything out of the mainstream 'nudity and sex must stay hidden' attitude of the conservative Christian majority.

Modifié par Tominokar, 02 décembre 2009 - 02:18 .

[interesting03]

This thread will likely descend into another needless religious debate between modern christian ethics and whether they're liberal or oppressive when it comes to social content in games. Just like that Templar thread and the chantry thread and the etc etc etc.....

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Why bring in religion in this, not that I am a religious person... rather a heathen here...if it must be... then there is religious fanatics and sects éverywhere in the world, and many of them are pretty much the same, we could say that muslim extremist has the same goal as christian or catholic extremist fanatics... or jewish for that sake, none personal offense meant but they are everywhere in the world.



Yes it is so easy to only blame one side at the time, but often people lack the ability to see around themself that they even got some on there own side of the river that are just as bad.

[Errel]

Sibelius1 wrote...

pathenry wrote...

xguild wrote...
Once we can shake the old farts out of office we'll probobly see a more flexible society, heading in the general direction it has been in the last 20 years. .

You mean the thousands of gang-rapes and child sex abuse cases every year? That direction?

Cause yeah, thats much better than those facsist old farts did in the 50s, when people didn't need locks on their doors.

Gang rapes and child abuse have always taken place. The difference now is that more effective policing and support for people who want to speak out about these crimes results in far more of these b*****ds being caught and convicted. This together with media coverage of these issues have simply made them seem more prevalent today than what they have been in the past.

Increased exposure to a sometimes sensastionalist media is the reason everyone locks their doors these days. If they had a similiar level of news saturation in the 50's, everyone would have been locking their doors then too.

Removing sex scenes from a computer game will not affect the levels of rape and child abuse in any way.

Exactly. Thank you.

I have been playing video games since I was 6 and been exposed to so called adult content since at least 10..
To my knoledge, I have yet to rape someonem, or become an axe murderer.
Actually, I haven't been in a fight since I was about 12 and I never feel the desire too.
I have plenty of good friends and have been in a number of serious relationships.

Guess I must be immune to the evil that is games....

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Tominokar wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

The US is not Europe, it is much more demographically diverse

This amused me. It's incredibly naive to suggest your own country that is only 200 years old is more diverse than 50 countries put together, some thousands of years old. France alone has 77 regional languages and dozens of native ethnic groups, let alone the 8% of its population from non-European cultures. The sects of the Christian Church are also much more numerous and evenly distributed in Europe, along with other non-Christian religions.

So you cannot possibly blame the prudishness of the American public on its 'diverse demography'. If anything, it's the complete opposite- the lack of cultural diversity that causes intolerance for anything out of the mainstream 'nudity and sex must stay hidden' attitude of the conservative Christian majority.

I could not agree more !!

[Seraphael]

Creature 1 wrote...

Some European nations without our problems with teen pregnancy and so forth think this is totally unreasonable, I think they're an illustration of the proverb, "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." The US is not Europe, it is much more demographically diverse, and because of this has social problems that Europe doesn't have to deal with. What works for European nations does not necessarily work for the US.

I don't want to make this into a US vs. Europe thing, when patriotic feelings get hurt - reasoning is thrown out the window.

I would like to say you clearly don't solve your problems with teen pregnancy and its ilk by hypocritical moralism. Better universal education and more social (I know that is a dirty word in the US) equality would be a better way to go about that. Clearly it doesn't work in the US where the society, from the bible thumping south east to the man humping San Fransisco in the west, to an outside observer seems quite polarized.

As for demographics, Europe is a patchwork of many different cultures on the verge of a demographic collapse and as a result extreme levels of immigration (much higher than in the US) has in many ways made Europe more demographically diverse than the US.

Modifié par Seraphael, 02 décembre 2009 - 02:29 .

[Aesir Rising]

If Bioware didn't want this type of discussion, then they wouldn't have injected obvious anachronistic and out-of-character in-game statements referring to modern-day phrases and terms such as "intelligent design".



More on-topic, they should remove Morrigan's bra and gay males. They can leave the lesbians.



And they should do something about making the persistent blood splatter look more like blood splatter and less like polka-dots. As it is, I have to turn that option off because it looks crappy. I don't mind seeing the blood, but I do mind it looking ridiculous. Need some variation between large and small droplets/puddles or something maybe.

[Errel]

Creature 1 wrote...

The US is not Europe, it is much more demographically diverse

err.....
Let me help.

di⋅verse
pronounced: [di-vurs, dahy-, dahy-vurs]

–adjective

1. of a different kind, form, character, etc.; unlike: a wide range of diverse opinions.
2. of various kinds or forms; multiform.

Origin:
1275–1325; ME < L dīversus (ptp. of dīvertere to divert ), equiv. to dī- di- 2 + vert- (base of vertere to turn) + -tus ptp. suffix

Source

[pathenry]

Sibelius1 wrote...
Removing sex scenes from a computer game will not affect the levels of rape and child abuse in any way.

Right, because movies and TV and video games *never* influence people to do bad things.

Like when they used to show the miniseries "Roots" on TV, and how the next day there were always a bunch of cases across the country where whites were violently attacked by groups of black people.

Or like showing a creatively edited rodney king beating 24/7 didn't cause anyone to do anything violent, right?

[Marek_Hamsik]

The kids playing video games arent having sex. Its the kids who live in trailer homes, with a drunk mother and no xbox that go poking around.