What I seriously hate about the current ending is that Shepard doesn't fight back, doesn't find a creative solution, doesn't have options. I don't see that going away with slight changes. The whole premise of the ending, what with a new character and theme in the last ten minutes, just doesn't work. It needs to go.
POLL: KEEP, CLARIFY OR CHANGE?
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#77
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 09:27
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Clarify with some changes.
I don't have problems with the star-child on a conceptual level. I don't have problems with the relay system blowing up (as long as it doesn't kill EVERYONE). I don't have problem with the fleet being stuck there. I also don't have problems with Shepherd dying.
Joker running though, it doesn't make sense as presented. The dialogue with the star kid does not have enough options to allow you to ask questions or reject certain principals. I may be forced to make the decision regardless, but I should be able to tell the kid more then "you'll never understand us". I don't like the planet at the end, it's not hopeful, it's tacky. I also really don't like the epilogue, it's needlessly schmaltzy.
Honestly the ending, as presented, doesn't fit with the rest of the game. Overall Mass Effect 3 up until that point is imo the best written in the series, and the ending just feels sloppy, underwritten and vague. That's not good enough. If they can make it make SENSE, than fine, clarify. If you can't, than change. I doubt that will happen though.
I don't have problems with the star-child on a conceptual level. I don't have problems with the relay system blowing up (as long as it doesn't kill EVERYONE). I don't have problem with the fleet being stuck there. I also don't have problems with Shepherd dying.
Joker running though, it doesn't make sense as presented. The dialogue with the star kid does not have enough options to allow you to ask questions or reject certain principals. I may be forced to make the decision regardless, but I should be able to tell the kid more then "you'll never understand us". I don't like the planet at the end, it's not hopeful, it's tacky. I also really don't like the epilogue, it's needlessly schmaltzy.
Honestly the ending, as presented, doesn't fit with the rest of the game. Overall Mass Effect 3 up until that point is imo the best written in the series, and the ending just feels sloppy, underwritten and vague. That's not good enough. If they can make it make SENSE, than fine, clarify. If you can't, than change. I doubt that will happen though.
#78
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 09:32
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Change. And why is this in the non-spoiler forum? Discussion in the poll isn't very efficient.
#79
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 10:46
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Deflagratio wrote...
Clarify? The ending is pretty clear, it just doesn't make any sense regardless.
The very minimum the ending needs is real Closure. Answer the question "Did it matter?"
Did it matter I saved the Krogan?
Did it matter the Quarian went extinct?
Did it matter I preserved the Council?
Did it Matter the Rachni blew their last chance?
Right now the answer is "no, none of that mattered", which if that's exactly what Bioware intended from Day1 on Mass Effect development... wow. Somehow I doubt that though.
i got it now
this right here is proof that you people are really dazed and confused
this gam was NOT meant for you
you bought the game
you played it
doesnt mean it was meant for you, any of you that see it this way
i thought for a hot second that this fool GOT IT
WRONG
anyways
#81
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 12:59
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Why am I not surprised at the current results.
Change, sorry but they cannot just gloss over the current ending with clarification, that's just insulting "Oh, you did not get it?, here let me draw a picture for you"
Change, sorry but they cannot just gloss over the current ending with clarification, that's just insulting "Oh, you did not get it?, here let me draw a picture for you"
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#82
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:03
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I demand a fourth option!
Seriously though, I don't expect them to just utterly throw everything in the ending at present away and do something totally different. So while I expect that to stay, I'd also like to see more alongside it, other ways for the game to end in addition, instead of replacement. Telling Ghost Kid to take a hike, for one.
That doesn't really fit in with choice 2 here, which is more of a "clarify but don't add" vote. Definitely doesn't fit in with the other 2 though, so had to vote that way.
Seriously though, I don't expect them to just utterly throw everything in the ending at present away and do something totally different. So while I expect that to stay, I'd also like to see more alongside it, other ways for the game to end in addition, instead of replacement. Telling Ghost Kid to take a hike, for one.
That doesn't really fit in with choice 2 here, which is more of a "clarify but don't add" vote. Definitely doesn't fit in with the other 2 though, so had to vote that way.
#83
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:04
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Change. Period.
You CANNOT "clarify" gibberish. Illogic cannot be made logical by more hand waving.
You CANNOT "clarify" gibberish. Illogic cannot be made logical by more hand waving.
#84
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:28
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The dark matter ending that was scrapped mid-dev was way better and simpler than what there is now. I'm not angry at the current ending, I just believe the dark matter one would be much better.
#85
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:58
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Change AND clarify, lots of plot holes need filling, we need to see what happens to the rest of the crew, or i do... and at least one happy ending wouldn't kill you - hell, you came up with three bad ones... well, actually, it's one masquerading as three, but anyway...
Why? 'Cause it's frankly a pile of cack.
Why? 'Cause it's frankly a pile of cack.
#86
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:06
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Change:
-No Mass Relay destruction, no Dark Age.
-No Plot Holes around reapers. "We do because we are superior" or "you will never understand" is a fine explanation of their motivation. We need a reason of why Harb doesn't kill sheppard. After all, he is a Machine God, he makes no mistakes like letting arch-enemies survive.
-Epilogue with every relevant character (its just an image and a text, easy as hell)
-Possibility of survival with li interest (cake ending)
-Final (verbal or not) confrontation with harbinger like "arrival"
-If you do it crappy, let the reapers win. A final scene of next cycle with a Human Reaper telling "We are the vanguard of your destruction" would incredibly cool.
All the previous can be done under indoctrination theory if you don't want to think
-No Mass Relay destruction, no Dark Age.
-No Plot Holes around reapers. "We do because we are superior" or "you will never understand" is a fine explanation of their motivation. We need a reason of why Harb doesn't kill sheppard. After all, he is a Machine God, he makes no mistakes like letting arch-enemies survive.
-Epilogue with every relevant character (its just an image and a text, easy as hell)
-Possibility of survival with li interest (cake ending)
-Final (verbal or not) confrontation with harbinger like "arrival"
-If you do it crappy, let the reapers win. A final scene of next cycle with a Human Reaper telling "We are the vanguard of your destruction" would incredibly cool.
All the previous can be done under indoctrination theory if you don't want to think
#88
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:16
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Change.
I'd like to see all these things in a new ending:
- No mass relays destroyed
- More variables in the ending
- We want choices that reflect the player's game
- Epilogue with every relevant character
- More epic action
- Final boss to destroy
- No Plot Holes in the story
I'd like to see all these things in a new ending:
- No mass relays destroyed
- More variables in the ending
- We want choices that reflect the player's game
- Epilogue with every relevant character
- More epic action
- Final boss to destroy
- No Plot Holes in the story
#89
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:23
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Change is a must. No amount of clarification can fill in all the plot holes and make up for the lack of thought/effort put into the ending.
Biggest problem is...the story of ME3 revolved around uniting forces and defeating reapers, hoping for peace. What happens in the end goes against the story plot. Many species stranded in a system with extremely limited resources will only lead to fighting over the resources, and inter-species war... It will simply undo Shepard's effort, and we would be back at step 1.
Just like you guys cheated and chose option 4 because of the extremely restricted amount of choices for the cupcakes, we expect the same. That event alone should have taught you guys where you went wrong...but if you still don't understand how to fix it, then I'm sorry to say you have a dark and gleam future ahead of you...
Biggest problem is...the story of ME3 revolved around uniting forces and defeating reapers, hoping for peace. What happens in the end goes against the story plot. Many species stranded in a system with extremely limited resources will only lead to fighting over the resources, and inter-species war... It will simply undo Shepard's effort, and we would be back at step 1.
Just like you guys cheated and chose option 4 because of the extremely restricted amount of choices for the cupcakes, we expect the same. That event alone should have taught you guys where you went wrong...but if you still don't understand how to fix it, then I'm sorry to say you have a dark and gleam future ahead of you...
#90
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:11
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Change.
And don't call it a DLC... It's a patch !!!
And don't call it a DLC... It's a patch !!!
#91
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:19
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This really lacks a fourth option: add alternate endings as DLC alongside the RGB ones. This always seemed like the perfect solution to me, and it fits Mass Effect perfectly. Just branch the storyline with DLC somewhere near the end to skip the Catalyst altogether, so the people that like the current endings can keep it while you also open up more options for people that want to see the current endings changed. By the way, here's a similar poll I made recently: http://social.biowar...54/polls/30590/
For what it's worth though, I went for change in your poll.
For what it's worth though, I went for change in your poll.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:24
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For me there's really only two options that Bioware has left that would work for me.
The preferred, first one, would be to completely redo the ending.
Second one is them going with the indoctrination theory.
The preferred, first one, would be to completely redo the ending.
Second one is them going with the indoctrination theory.
#93
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:29
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Change.
The ending is broken. It fails to uphold the narrative of the story, reverses the theme of the entire series, and the logic of star-child is demonstrably false by the player's own actions and decisions throughout the game.
The ending is broken. It fails to uphold the narrative of the story, reverses the theme of the entire series, and the logic of star-child is demonstrably false by the player's own actions and decisions throughout the game.
#94
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:31
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-Draikin- wrote...
This really lacks a fourth option: add alternate endings as DLC alongside the RGB ones. This always seemed like the perfect solution to me, and it fits Mass Effect perfectly. Just branch the storyline with DLC somewhere near the end to skip the Catalyst altogether, so the people that like the current endings can keep it while you also open up more options for people that want to see the current endings changed. By the way, here's a similar poll I made recently: http://social.biowar...54/polls/30590/
For what it's worth though, I went for change in your poll.
I'd argue that this is "Change". Clarifying the ending means explainging what is there already. Change implies something needs to be added or subtracted.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:31
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I feel the current ending is fundamentally broken. For the ending to hold the same quality of the rest of the game (or the series), Bioware probably need to cut off where the the final set of missions begin and design a new ending where the player's choices ultimately matters, and those big questions that have lingered ever since ME1 is answered. I'm totally fine with having some holes left for future Mass Effect games but seriously, at least make sure all the **** Shepard had to go through was meaningful.
So yeah, change!
So yeah, change!
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:36
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Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...
I voted "change", but that's a bad poll, cause change is punishing those who likes current ending.
That poll is lacking the "more ending choices" option.
If you don't want to change the ending, don't download and instal the DLC. Optional content is optional.
#97
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:40
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If the star child says that the end of evolution is the synthesis of both forms of life, why does he interfere with its natural progression every cycle?
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:46
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Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...
I voted "change", but that's a bad poll, cause change is punishing those who likes current ending.
That poll is lacking the "more ending choices" option.
If you're interested I made a similar poll you can vote on too. It has more options, but its not as popular as this one though. Most people seem to want it scrapped altogether in both of ours, it seems.
I voted "change" since that's what is closest to what I want. I think that the current endings should be kept, but they could be expanded upon in a way that can scrap it so that fans who didn't want it can have something different.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:56
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I want clarification that Bioware KNOWS that the ending was illogical, nonsensical, juvenile, ridiculous, a violent refutation of everything the series was up to that point, and was a slap-dash last second add-on without any time or effort to actually THINK about WTF was being put in.
THAT is the clarification I want just before the ENTIRE thing is changed.
THAT is the clarification I want just before the ENTIRE thing is changed.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 05:00
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I just beat mass effect three and I would like to say thank you to bioware for what really is one if the best games that I have ever played I,my family and friends have been huge fans of mass effect games from day one and we all appreciate every ounce of thought and care in which the bioware staff have put into into the franchise it is expressed with love and care not only to the story but also the fans.No other company that I know of would even take what the fans say into consideration after the fact which sets bioware apart from other companys.
with that being said mass effect 3 was awsome however the end did not only frustrate myself,my family and friends that I recommended the game to.
our thoughts shepard should have had the option to L trigger to resist shooting captain anderson it was said from the first game that shepard had a strong will.
2.There should have been an option to oppose the catalyst paragon shepard would have never listend to someone that commeted a mass genoside of the galaxy every cycle and the catalyst(the glowing child) should have been the final boss battle which was greatly missed we all thought that the catalyst was going to turn on you when it didnt get its way and was trying to indoctronate you when he fails he turns the citadel against shepard how epic would that have been the only hope that shepard had for the galaxy was in actualaty the very thing that was destroying it.
3.when shepard wins if anderson is shot you drag him out while the citadel is being destroyed around you if you L trigger you run back to the light tunnel then when your in the light tunnel you have the option of hitting R3 and seeing the citadel going down then everything goes white and you are unsure if they made it out then cut to your crew(who wouldnt have left shepard) searching for shepard and anderson when they find them they look dead but shepard breathes and they start shouting for medics and saying that they are not going to make it cut to whats left of the councle or a newly appointed council and have them thank shepard and offer a councle position to shepard which you can take or give to bailey.
4.And finaly full closure with your entier crew thats left and love interests it would also be nice if you could go thru your ship like in two and hear there finale thoughts on a job well done and not have to go back to your last save file before you beat it
in conclusion it's not about changeing the ending its about adding to the ending that you already have those our hopes for the end im no writer and I have nothing but the highest respect for what bioware has accomplished my family friends and I are nobodys and chances are no one else will read this but We thank you for the chance to be be heard and hope for the best.If by any chance someone out there is reading this and agrees with what we are saying please cut and paste this to as many bioware forums or face book as possible if not disregard lol thanks.
with that being said mass effect 3 was awsome however the end did not only frustrate myself,my family and friends that I recommended the game to.
our thoughts shepard should have had the option to L trigger to resist shooting captain anderson it was said from the first game that shepard had a strong will.
2.There should have been an option to oppose the catalyst paragon shepard would have never listend to someone that commeted a mass genoside of the galaxy every cycle and the catalyst(the glowing child) should have been the final boss battle which was greatly missed we all thought that the catalyst was going to turn on you when it didnt get its way and was trying to indoctronate you when he fails he turns the citadel against shepard how epic would that have been the only hope that shepard had for the galaxy was in actualaty the very thing that was destroying it.
3.when shepard wins if anderson is shot you drag him out while the citadel is being destroyed around you if you L trigger you run back to the light tunnel then when your in the light tunnel you have the option of hitting R3 and seeing the citadel going down then everything goes white and you are unsure if they made it out then cut to your crew(who wouldnt have left shepard) searching for shepard and anderson when they find them they look dead but shepard breathes and they start shouting for medics and saying that they are not going to make it cut to whats left of the councle or a newly appointed council and have them thank shepard and offer a councle position to shepard which you can take or give to bailey.
4.And finaly full closure with your entier crew thats left and love interests it would also be nice if you could go thru your ship like in two and hear there finale thoughts on a job well done and not have to go back to your last save file before you beat it
in conclusion it's not about changeing the ending its about adding to the ending that you already have those our hopes for the end im no writer and I have nothing but the highest respect for what bioware has accomplished my family friends and I are nobodys and chances are no one else will read this but We thank you for the chance to be be heard and hope for the best.If by any chance someone out there is reading this and agrees with what we are saying please cut and paste this to as many bioware forums or face book as possible if not disregard lol thanks.
