@Slimshedim, I'm going to try to address some of what you said. I know you probably won't agree but here's my input.
slimshedim wrote...
The reproduction point is stupid. Superior machines would rather treat us like we treat our domesticated animals. The machines in Matrix are good examples of how that would look like, since leaving us alone for ~50K years poses huge risks. We could annihilate ourselves in stupid wars and go extinct. We could pollute our planets way before we develop space travel and go extinct. We could create machines and have them surpass us (singularity) before the cycle is complete and so on. Just look at how we're treating domesticated animals. We don't leave them alone, we care for them, we protect them since we know we are dependent from them (meat, eggs, milk, bacon ;-)). It would not make sense for the Reapers to leave us alone and risk us getting killed meanwhile when they're hibernating in dark space.
There's no reason to assume they would treat us one way or the other simply by extrapolating how we treat those beneath us. What works for the Matrix may not work for ME. As for killing ourselves, note that that's just a possibility. The Catalyst assumes it's inevitable that after the singularity organics will be extinguished. It's trying to fight against that idea that at some point it may be impossible for organics to win. As for reaching the singularity before the cycle, the Reapers have enough mass relays scattered throughout that they believe all races will evolve along their path and thus have a measureable progress relative to the singularity, I think. So far in the last billion or so years it's worked, evidenced by the absence of a singularity after the Reapers came into existence.
Also, if they need organic species for reproduction, why do they leave primitives survive into the next cycle? To harvest them later, yeah, that makes sense. But would supervising their development, ensuring their survival until they're ready to be processed not make more sense, just as we do with domesticated animals? There would be no need for them to develop space travel, advanced weaponry and stuff...
This assumes the Reapers' primary motivation is reproduction, which could be argued as the purpose of organics alone. The Catalyst tells us the Reapers' primary motivation is NOT reproduction; if anything, that was its main point. This alone indicates that we can't apply our morals to the Reapers since we can't even apply our base values; if we can't relate to them on a fundamental level, then how can we hope to relate to them on a higher level? I'm not saying we can't understand them. I'm saying that I'd guess that what might be logical or right for them is not the same for us.
Logically, there is no reason for Reapers to be semi-synthetic. Being half-organic is inefficient for tools and Reapers are merely tools, since somebody is controlling them: The SpaceBrat. Organic tissue needs nourishment, or it dies. Therefore the Reapers would need food. Where does that food come from? Are there farms inside the cuttlefish where husks play reallife Farmville for 50K years? Synthetics do not need food, water, vitamines. Synthetics do not die from aging unlike organics. It does not make sense for tools to be organic or partially-organic, especially if you need to sustain them for 50K years!
The Catalyst believes its preserving species' essences or something. You can disagree with that of course. But from the Catalyst's viewpoint the hybrid-ness of the Reapers is a necessity because that is their ultimate goal - to save organic life.
All the efforts you put into the whole reasoning to justify the Catalyst's raison d'être are just absurd. There is neither a need for the Catalyst, nor his flawed logic that's entirely based on a circulary argument.
Well, if you believe the above, then thank you for your time. You will find countless threads here on BSN hating on the Catalyst, and I respect their opinion and yours. I, for one, will of course continue to expand this thread incorporating all sorts of ideas. But please try to be civil. Maybe eat some ice cream to chill out a bit dude.
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