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[Deflagratio]

This is confusing. The ending itself is flawed from a storytelling perspective, but what it shows is cool. Some big explosion dropping reapers with Alliance soldiers cheering is pretty rad.

Then Joker pops out of the Normandy for some reason and all the good some "Eye Candy" did, is forgotten.

Get rid of Catalyst Child, Get rid of WTF Normady Scene and the ending is just kind of lame, not the franchise-butchering "WTF" it turned out to be. The synthesis option doesn't sit well with me either... I get the whole echo of Mass Effect 1, but that doesn't explain away the "Machine and man get magically fused with no explanation herpderp"

[What a Succulent Ass]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Has nothing to do with it. I have played all DE titles, I enjoyed the original and Human Revolution but did not enjoy IW... Yet I still liked the endings in ME3 so the point is?

The point is that it's not at all original. And unlike Deus Ex, the ending doesn't suit the series. Even more damning, they are the exact opposite of what was promised.

[Icemix]

Documental wrote...

I don't mind the ending, I can get what Bioware where trying to do even if it wasn't done well.

Do I get that people don't like the ending? Sure, people like different things. Do I get that some people act like the ending just committed the holocaust and then stamped on their puppy? No, those reactions annoy the hell out of me.

But then again, from the OP in this thread, it's clear that he just thinks that everyone who likes the ending is an idiot and don't want to conform to his views.

Anyways, yeah the ending, it's not bad, not brilliant but I can live with it.

And this proves my point. You can't provide any argument in defense of the ending. Typical "I am fine with it". How can your opinion be viewed as serious when all you people have to say is "The ending is ok" or "I am fine with it".

[Dragoonlordz]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Has nothing to do with it. I have played all DE titles, I enjoyed the original and Human Revolution but did not enjoy IW... Yet I still liked the endings in ME3 so the point is?

The point is that it's not at all original. And unlike Deus Ex, the ending doesn't suit the series. Even more damning, they are the exact opposite of what was promised.

I will semi-agree with you for first time on endings issue. I did state that it has been done many times before even at start of my thread where said enjoyed, liked the ending. However doing something that has been done before is not a flaw, it gets done so often because it is a way to do it that many do not mind. As for the promised element I addressed this issue in my thread too when I said about different expectations and desires for that part of the game.

A simple difference in expectations and desires for the product even though I have played Bioware's games as long as most people here. 95% of the game I loved and 5% I liked or was okay with. Overall it makes it in the list of top four of games I liked in past year. I did not buy the game because was advertised as closure to everything. I bought a game to continue the story of the previous two I bought (in fact I bought multiple copies of both previous two titles as I do with all Bioware games including DAO and DA2 as well on different formats). I also did not buy it for these so called 16 endings, I bought it knowing would have an ending of which it did just some people do not like that ending. Every Bioware title has required some use of imagination, all titles produced have plot holes, I did not fool myself into thinking this one would be immune to such. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[GODzilla]

Docmeff22 wrote...

...and think it is good.

Some people liked the movie Howard the Duck, too.

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People who don't like the ending have an opinion. People who don't like the ending AND are actively trying to ruin it for those who like it have an a*hole-personality.

Modifié par GODzilla_GSPB, 29 mars 2012 - 06:17 .

[Docmeff22]

StephanieBengal wrote...

Docmeff22 wrote...

...and think it is good.

Some people liked the movie Howard the Duck, too.

I actually liked that movie, because it's overally stupid and some parts are straight satire. 

But again, we're talking about a movie, not a video game that's been about player choice. So you're basically talking a lot of nonsense. If that was your point, then good job. 

It was.

[Dragoonlordz]

GODzilla_GSPB wrote...

Docmeff22 wrote...

...and think it is good.

Some people liked the movie Howard the Duck, too.

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Only change I would make to that picture is replace "Internet" with "Bioware Social Network".

[EvilTaxi]

Icemix wrote...

And this proves my point. You can't provide any argument in defense of the ending. Typical "I am fine with it". How can your opinion be viewed as serious when all you people have to say is "The ending is ok" or "I am fine with it".

Just because you're being a Debbie Downer doesn't mean that your opinions have any more validity than his.  Why does he need to defend liking something?  I would argue that liking/being in acceptance of something is the default attitude and that one needs to defend their negative criticism.

[Sebbe1337o]

Anyone who likes the ending(s) isn't a true ME fan imho. There are so many plot holes and no closure at all. A trilogy like this needs closure. If it would be as long as the ending to The Return of The King I'd be happy as hell. That ending is looong.

[Ghost Warrior]

I did not really like the endings,but I don't think they are so terrible either.

But remember one thing - haters gonna hate.

[Sealy]

I like the endings. Doesn't mean I don't need things explained. But I don't need happy endings and I don't need to know what happens with my descisions during the 3 game, saving the rachni. curing the genophage... I'll leave that to my own devices and prefer it that way until the Mass effect universe continues and I can see exactly what effect my actions had then.

[Ghost Warrior]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Anyone who likes the ending(s) isn't a true ME fan imho. There are so many plot holes and no closure at all. A trilogy like this needs closure. If it would be as long as the ending to The Return of The King I'd be happy as hell. That ending is looong.

Closure? What,you wanna know what happened to each major character. You want slideshow with their pictures and text that summarizes the rest of their lives or something? Unnecessary IMO.

Conversations in London were enough of closure. About plot holes I agree,especially the Normandy scene.

[Dragoonlordz]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Anyone who likes the ending(s) isn't a true ME fan imho. There are so many plot holes and no closure at all. A trilogy like this needs closure. If it would be as long as the ending to The Return of The King I'd be happy as hell. That ending is looong.

Ignorant comments like that is why your side gets attacked by others so often. It has closure, the main protaganist at the end what happens to him or her, you do not get much more closed than that from a character based role playing game. Additional exposition to gain more closure is optional and merely subjective preference. As such due to some people wanting that additional exposition that is what Bioware said they are going to give in the next DLC.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[xsdob]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

I dunno why I just did. It was original.

You never played Deus Ex 1?

I'm guessing not.

And what about people who didn't have PC games in the 2000? Cause my parents defenatly weren't going to buy me that game when I was 9 years old.

Modifié par xsdob, 29 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[Stokie Stallion]

To be honest i liked the endings just not how it made me feel, it was like a long painful ending to a relationship you really loved sucked the life out of you left you feeling numb thinking ok that went alright but what the f*ck just happend?

[What a Succulent Ass]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I will semi-agree with you for first time on endings issue. I did state that it has been done many times before even at start of my thread where said enjoyed, liked the ending. However doing something that has been done before is not a flaw, it gets done so often because it is a way to do it that many do not mind. As for the promised element I addressed this issue in my thread too when I said about different expectations and desires for that part of the game.

I didn't say it was a flaw, I said it was unoriginal. And more to the point, it was bad. It was narratively bad, it was thematically bad, it was a horrendous betrayal of logic (in-universe and out), and it was executed poorly. I didn't buy the game for its alleged "sixteen endings" (which was misinformation, anyway). I bought it because I anticipated seeing how the plot and my choices therein would intersect. Everything the devs claimed in that respect (particularly the ABC comment) was at best blatantly misleading and at worst an outright lie.

That being said, considering I knew all about the endings weeks before playing the game, my biggest problem isn't even the conclusion, it's how mediocre I found everything that came before it.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 29 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Anyone who likes the ending(s) isn't a true ME fan imho.

Sigh. And this is why people who like the endings don't bother trying to voice those opinions or explain why they like the endings anymore.

Protip: I'm more of a "true ME fan" than anyone who says that those who like the endings aren't true ME fans. I promise you this.

[Icemix]

EvilTaxi wrote...

Icemix wrote...

And this proves my point. You can't provide any argument in defense of the ending. Typical "I am fine with it". How can your opinion be viewed as serious when all you people have to say is "The ending is ok" or "I am fine with it".

Just because you're being a Debbie Downer doesn't mean that your opinions have any more validity than his.  Why does he need to defend liking something?  I would argue that liking/being in acceptance of something is the default attitude and that one needs to defend their negative criticism.

The thing is, so many people have provided such comprehensive posts about all the problems with the ending and how its trully bad writing and an insult to the Mass Effect seriece. The lates and the best one being:
 
It shows everything wrong with the ending in a rage free and  very coprehensive way. And your people's argument againts that is "I like it , and I don't have to justify why." You don't want to say why, because you can't say why. I would like to see any of you to try and prove any of the points he makes wrong.

[What a Succulent Ass]

xsdob wrote...

And what about people who didn't have PC games in the 2000? Cause my parents defenatly weren't going to buy me that game when I was 9 years old.

...

What is your point?

[Icemix]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Anyone who likes the ending(s) isn't a true ME fan imho. There are so many plot holes and no closure at all. A trilogy like this needs closure. If it would be as long as the ending to The Return of The King I'd be happy as hell. That ending is looong.

Ignorant comments like that is why your side gets attacked by others so often. It has closure, the main protaganist at the end what happens to him or her, you do not get much more closed than that from a character based role playing game. Additional exposition to gain more closure is optional and merely subjective preference. As such due to some people wanting that additional exposition that is what Bioware said they are going to give in the next DLC.

Not sure if you are serious anymore. That is just plain wrong.

[Dragoonlordz]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I will semi-agree with you for first time on endings issue. I did state that it has been done many times before even at start of my thread where said enjoyed, liked the ending. However doing something that has been done before is not a flaw, it gets done so often because it is a way to do it that many do not mind. As for the promised element I addressed this issue in my thread too when I said about different expectations and desires for that part of the game.

I didn't say it was a flaw, I said it was unoriginal. And more to the point, it was bad. It was narratively bad, it was thematically bad, it was a horrendous betrayal of logic (in-universe and out), and it was executed poorly. I didn't buy the game for its alleged "sixteen endings" (which was misinformation, anyway). I bought it because I anticipated seeing how the plot and my choices therein would intersect. Everything the devs claimed in that respect (particularly the ABC comment) was at best blatantly misleading and at worst an outright lie.

That being said, considering I knew all about the endings weeks before playing the game, my biggest problem isn't eve the conclusion, it's how mediocre I found everything that came before it.

You hated everything prior to the ending too? Very few people here even more so than those who like the endings fall into that catagory. Most of the people here even the ones who liked the ending or hated the ending thought the game was mostly amazing or very good. If you hated the rest too then there is no solution for you other than looking elsewhere for something you enjoy more.

[Ghost Warrior]

Yeah,because quitting on entire trilogy because of the last 5 minutes means being a true fan. Don't you know that people???

[Dragoonlordz]

Icemix wrote...

EvilTaxi wrote...

Icemix wrote...

And this proves my point. You can't provide any argument in defense of the ending. Typical "I am fine with it". How can your opinion be viewed as serious when all you people have to say is "The ending is ok" or "I am fine with it".

Just because you're being a Debbie Downer doesn't mean that your opinions have any more validity than his.  Why does he need to defend liking something?  I would argue that liking/being in acceptance of something is the default attitude and that one needs to defend their negative criticism.

The thing is, so many people have provided such comprehensive posts about all the problems with the ending and how its trully bad writing and an insult to the Mass Effect seriece. The lates and the best one being:
 
It shows everything wrong with the ending in a rage free and  very coprehensive way. And your people's argument againts that is "I like it , and I don't have to justify why." You don't want to say why, because you can't say why. I would like to see any of you to try and prove any of the points he makes wrong.

Your projecting your issues onto someone else does not change a thing. Why should they fix your problems when to them it was not much of an issue in the first place? As said before stop treating everyone who likes what you do not as your personal genie in a bottle, they are not there to fix your problems.

[xsdob]

For everyone who accuse people who like the endings of not giving a reason, why exactly does "I didn't mind it" or "I kinda liked it" make me less of a ME fan?

People like different things, get over it. I bet that If you listed off everything you liked, you'd find one thing that everyone else, or a good majority, of people would consider bad or an abomination.

And besides, the emotional satisfaction of having shepard journey finally end and having the cycle broken so that sometime in the future, life can grow and prosper without fear of being genocided by the reapers or controlled by the galactic ruling power just fine with me. The relays cause species to progress unnaturally, they advance too quickly and stop trying to achieve better ways of dong things, they basically stop trying to innovate. Without them, life can evolve with the diversity necessary to keep innovation alive and fight off stagnation.

The endings may be full of things you don't like, but it gives me a sense of hope for the future, and that maybe someday life will remake the relays, or maybe they'll invent a better way to traverse the galaxy, I don't know, but I do think that as long as there's life, there is hope.

[Dragoonlordz]

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Anyone who likes the ending(s) isn't a true ME fan imho. There are so many plot holes and no closure at all. A trilogy like this needs closure. If it would be as long as the ending to The Return of The King I'd be happy as hell. That ending is looong.

Ignorant comments like that is why your side gets attacked by others so often. It has closure, the main protaganist at the end what happens to him or her, you do not get much more closed than that from a character based role playing game. Additional exposition to gain more closure is optional and merely subjective preference. As such due to some people wanting that additional exposition that is what Bioware said they are going to give in the next DLC.

Not sure if you are serious anymore. That is just plain wrong.

It's valid, you just don't agree with it. Though then again given your responses in here you shrug off anything you disagree with. I can't explain it in great detail and kept it brief/vague because look at the title of this section of the forum (no spoilers).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 06:43 .