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[Icemix]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icemix wrote...

EvilTaxi wrote...

Icemix wrote...

And this proves my point. You can't provide any argument in defense of the ending. Typical "I am fine with it". How can your opinion be viewed as serious when all you people have to say is "The ending is ok" or "I am fine with it".

Just because you're being a Debbie Downer doesn't mean that your opinions have any more validity than his.  Why does he need to defend liking something?  I would argue that liking/being in acceptance of something is the default attitude and that one needs to defend their negative criticism.

The thing is, so many people have provided such comprehensive posts about all the problems with the ending and how its trully bad writing and an insult to the Mass Effect seriece. The lates and the best one being:
 
It shows everything wrong with the ending in a rage free and  very coprehensive way. And your people's argument againts that is "I like it , and I don't have to justify why." You don't want to say why, because you can't say why. I would like to see any of you to try and prove any of the points he makes wrong.

Your projecting your issues onto someone else does not change a thing. Why should they fix your problems when to them it was not much of an issue in the first place? As said before stop treating everyone who likes what you do not as your personal genie in a bottle, they are not there to fix your problems.

My issues? These are obvious issues with the game that you can't seem to comprehend. I suggest you wacth that video and comment after that. Its worth the 40 minutes.

[Sebbe1337o]

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Anyone who likes the ending(s) isn't a true ME fan imho. There are so many plot holes and no closure at all. A trilogy like this needs closure. If it would be as long as the ending to The Return of The King I'd be happy as hell. That ending is looong.

Ignorant comments like that is why your side gets attacked by others so often. It has closure, the main protaganist at the end what happens to him or her, you do not get much more closed than that from a character based role playing game. Additional exposition to gain more closure is optional and merely subjective preference. As such due to some people wanting that additional exposition that is what Bioware said they are going to give in the next DLC.

Not sure if you are serious anymore. That is just plain wrong.

This. If we get the "breath" ending after the "destroy" ending, we get a LITTLE closure. But not squat from the other characters you care about. I dunno if I'm just a fanatic of these games, but I truly care about these made-up characters. I want to know a little more. Maybe not everything they made in their lives after this, but at least more than we got.

And sure, like the ending(s) if you want, but you can't deny that all the plot holes are... disturbing. I hope they explain this a bit more if they ever release the ending DLC.


And a little off topic: I can't understand why they didn't include the Dark Energy-theory with the reapers, made a lot more sense than "We kill you so you won't be killed by synthetics" imo. But that's just me.

[Dragoonlordz]

xsdob wrote...

For everyone who accuse people who like the endings of not giving a reason, why exactly does "I didn't mind it" or "I kinda liked it" make me less of a ME fan?

People like different things, get over it. I bet that If you listed off everything you liked, you'd find one thing that everyone else, or a good majority, of people would consider bad or an abomination.

And besides, the emotional satisfaction of having shepard journey finally end and having the cycle broken so that sometime in the future, life can grow and prosper without fear of being genocided by the reapers or controlled by the galactic ruling power just fine with me. The relays cause species to progress unnaturally, they advance too quickly and stop trying to achieve better ways of dong things, they basically stop trying to innovate. Without them, life can evolve with the diversity necessary to keep innovation alive and fight off stagnation.

The endings may be full of things you don't like, but it gives me a sense of hope for the future, and that maybe someday life will remake the relays, or maybe they'll invent a better way to traverse the galaxy, I don't know, but I do think that as long as there's life, there is hope.

I agree in a sense, with the changes so great that it sparks imagination of where to go from here. As a fan of both titles that start in the middle or end of a space age and those where just taking their first steps into the unknown or space I personally see no problem with this.

[Icemix]

xsdob wrote...

For everyone who accuse people who like the endings of not giving a reason, why exactly does "I didn't mind it" or "I kinda liked it" make me less of a ME fan?

People like different things, get over it. I bet that If you listed off everything you liked, you'd find one thing that everyone else, or a good majority, of people would consider bad or an abomination.

And besides, the emotional satisfaction of having shepard journey finally end and having the cycle broken so that sometime in the future, life can grow and prosper without fear of being genocided by the reapers or controlled by the galactic ruling power just fine with me. The relays cause species to progress unnaturally, they advance too quickly and stop trying to achieve better ways of dong things, they basically stop trying to innovate. Without them, life can evolve with the diversity necessary to keep innovation alive and fight off stagnation.

The endings may be full of things you don't like, but it gives me a sense of hope for the future, and that maybe someday life will remake the relays, or maybe they'll invent a better way to traverse the galaxy, I don't know, but I do think that as long as there's life, there is hope.

See this is something I can agree with. He provides a valid point and has something to back it up with, even though most of what he said overlooks all the plot holes.

[CrazyBirdman]

I am fine with the ending but have my problems expressing my views because english is not my native language so a wall of text like you guys write it would be pretty hard. Secondly even if I would come up with well-thought good arguments for the ending it would not change your emotions in any way.
Also it is kind of bullsht saying no "true" fan could like the ending. Is a fan defined by what his stance towards one scene in a trilogy is?
What's weird that with every thought I put in the ending I become more and more satisfied with it. Almost everytime I think about it I realize for me how some of the points about which you would say "lots of speculation" actually make sense if you come up with an answer for it that fits "your" ME-universe. I think that effect is brilliant and the existence of such sophisticated theories (like the indoctrination theory) shows that BioWare has at least reached this goal.
In this sense BioWare has created an ending with an enormous variety because everyone can come up with parts just by himself. For me the game was not over at the ending because I shaped my ME-universe even after finishing Shepards story.
If that happened intentionally I applaude BioWare, if not... good for me.
Also the points about how the final decsion makes sense and is satisfying for some is already explained in various threads even in this one as I just realized.

Modifié par CrazyBirdman, 29 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[Sebbe1337o]

@Icemix

Sure, I can agree that is a valid point^
But as you said, all those plotholes...

Modifié par Sebbe1337o, 29 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[Documental]

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Modifié par Documental, 29 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[Icemix]

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Are you sure? Because in 2 out of the 3 endings the fate of Shepard is not clear. You call that closure?

[Dragoonlordz]

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Don't let them bait you into getting upset over. All that matters is that you are happy with what you paid for which is the case for many if not all of us who liked or was happy enough with the endings. To us does not matter if majority or minority, other peoples problems with it or how angry or miserable they are towards it. We paid for a product, we enjoyed that product thats all that matters.

[Dragoonlordz]

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icemix wrote...

EvilTaxi wrote...

Icemix wrote...

And this proves my point. You can't provide any argument in defense of the ending. Typical "I am fine with it". How can your opinion be viewed as serious when all you people have to say is "The ending is ok" or "I am fine with it".

Just because you're being a Debbie Downer doesn't mean that your opinions have any more validity than his.  Why does he need to defend liking something?  I would argue that liking/being in acceptance of something is the default attitude and that one needs to defend their negative criticism.

The thing is, so many people have provided such comprehensive posts about all the problems with the ending and how its trully bad writing and an insult to the Mass Effect seriece. The lates and the best one being:
 
It shows everything wrong with the ending in a rage free and  very coprehensive way. And your people's argument againts that is "I like it , and I don't have to justify why." You don't want to say why, because you can't say why. I would like to see any of you to try and prove any of the points he makes wrong.

Your projecting your issues onto someone else does not change a thing. Why should they fix your problems when to them it was not much of an issue in the first place? As said before stop treating everyone who likes what you do not as your personal genie in a bottle, they are not there to fix your problems.

My issues? These are obvious issues with the game that you can't seem to comprehend. I suggest you wacth that video and comment after that. Its worth the 40 minutes.

I can comprehend it just fine thanks. I already know your issues "you" have, I already know the issues people have talked about here over past few weeks. I was here as I have been for many years. I saw the same game they did, there is nothing you can say that will make me change my mind so stop trying. Your problems are not my problems, does not matter if they exist or not as I do not have a problem with them while you do.

[VolusvsReaper]

I didn't mind the ending it can stay the way it is I just would like a falloutish slideshow telling what happened to various people...but my signature took care of that so the ending is fine.

[Icemix]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Don't let them bait you into getting upset over. All that matters is that you are happy with what you paid for which is the case for many if not all of us who liked or was happy enough with the endings. To us does not matter if majority or minority, other peoples problems with it or how angry or miserable they are towards it. We paid for a product, we enjoyed that product thats all that matters.

That is true. But since you can't provide an argument as to why you enjoyed the ending, your opinion will not be taken serious from me.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You hated everything prior to the ending too? Very few people here even more so than those who like the endings fall into that catagory. Most of the people here even the ones who liked the ending or hated the ending thought the game was mostly amazing or very good. If you hated the rest too then there is no solution for you other than looking elsewhere for something you enjoy more.

Reading comprehension, please. I said it was mediocre, not that I hated it. And it was quite mediocre in comparison to what BioWare is capable of. We needn't even look any further for proof of this than ME3's genophage plot: despite its hiccups, it's arguably some of the best writing in the entire series.

Without the endings, I'd say ME3 is a 6,5 to 7. With the incoherent rubbish tacked on, it's a 6.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 29 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Don't let them bait you into getting upset over. All that matters is that you are happy with what you paid for which is the case for many if not all of us who liked or was happy enough with the endings. To us does not matter if majority or minority, other peoples problems with it or how angry or miserable they are towards it. We paid for a product, we enjoyed that product thats all that matters.

That is true. But since you can't provide an argument as to why you enjoyed the ending, your opinion will not be taken serious from me.

And given that you can't understand the concept of people having different tastes in what they enjoy, your opinion will not be taken seriously from me.

[Dragoonlordz]

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Don't let them bait you into getting upset over. All that matters is that you are happy with what you paid for which is the case for many if not all of us who liked or was happy enough with the endings. To us does not matter if majority or minority, other peoples problems with it or how angry or miserable they are towards it. We paid for a product, we enjoyed that product thats all that matters.

That is true. But since you can't provide an argument as to why you enjoyed the ending, your opinion will not be taken serious from me.

Again.. I told you why I liked it by pointing you to a 13 page thread with constant input from myself. You simply do not accept my opinion and reasons. I do not care if by you not accepting my reasons makes you feel you do not wish to take me seriously but your response dimissing all 13 pages of content as to why I liked it makes me not take you seriously. Works both ways if wish to play that game.

[Icemix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Don't let them bait you into getting upset over. All that matters is that you are happy with what you paid for which is the case for many if not all of us who liked or was happy enough with the endings. To us does not matter if majority or minority, other peoples problems with it or how angry or miserable they are towards it. We paid for a product, we enjoyed that product thats all that matters.

That is true. But since you can't provide an argument as to why you enjoyed the ending, your opinion will not be taken serious from me.

And given that you can't understand the concept of people having different tastes in what they enjoy, your opinion will not be taken seriously from me.

Oh I can understand that people like different stuff just fine. Its the fact that they can't provide anything to back up their opinion is the thing that I don't get.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

And given that you can't understand the concept of people having different tastes in what they enjoy, your opinion will not be taken seriously from me.

I'm assuming that Icemix is discussing opinion in the context of debate. If you enjoyed the ending and felt you received a product that lived up to your expectations, that's all very well, and I'm genuinely happy for you. Saying that only "true" ME fans dislike the ending is just silly.

But if you're arguing that your opinion that the ending is good supports that it was narratively coherent, then yes, your opinion is invalid. It's as invalid as mine is if I said "the ending is narratively incoherent because I didn't like it."

[Father_Jerusalem]

Icemix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Don't let them bait you into getting upset over. All that matters is that you are happy with what you paid for which is the case for many if not all of us who liked or was happy enough with the endings. To us does not matter if majority or minority, other peoples problems with it or how angry or miserable they are towards it. We paid for a product, we enjoyed that product thats all that matters.

That is true. But since you can't provide an argument as to why you enjoyed the ending, your opinion will not be taken serious from me.

And given that you can't understand the concept of people having different tastes in what they enjoy, your opinion will not be taken seriously from me.

Oh I can understand that people like different stuff just fine. Its the fact that they can't provide anything to back up their opinion is the thing that I don't get.

I like cheese fries. Do you require a thesis on why I like cheese fries as well?

[Sbri]

Farbautisonn wrote...



In
the states there is a government body, that at a whim can suspend the
constitutional civil rights at a whim or on the order of the president.
Countless nations, even "civillized ones" employ or outsource torture
and happily use the information gathered by refoulment (look up the
term) to combat what they percieve as terrorists.

  And many of us have stood up and protested those government actions.  Many have faced arrest to let our government know that such choices are unacceptable.  We have passed laws, introduced sanctions, gone to war to try to stop other nations from doing such things.  That fact that our governments have participated should be a source of shame for us. 

Farbautisonn wrote...

If a reaper
esque threat emergerd the people wouldnt give a ****e how they were kept
safe. As long as they were kept safe. Dont try to bull****e me into
thinking anyone would give a ****e if all of africa was laid barren if
it could save the west. You wouldnt skip a heartbeat in the ballotbox.

Thankfully there are many examples of people who did no such thing.  Resistance fighters who smuggled oppressed people away from those who would harm them.  Others who were beaten, jailed and murdered in the fight to ensure equal rights for all citizens.  Those who stood up to authority and said, "No! You may not abuse us! You may not disenfranchise us! You may not terrorize us!"  Do not assume all people are cowards.  Because those who vote for their safety and comfort at the expense of others are truly cowards.

[OdanUrr]

Have we reached a point where we have to explain why we like things and unless those explanations pan out our liking is "wrong"? Seriously?

And, by the way, I was seriously underwhelmed (and that's putting it mildly) by the ending myself.

[Documental]

I saw my Shepard make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy, she had said all her goodbyes on Earth, I didn't expect to survive the final outcome and I didn't.

That's my closure, that a character I cared about for an entire series died at the end to save the galaxy.

[Icemix]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Don't let them bait you into getting upset over. All that matters is that you are happy with what you paid for which is the case for many if not all of us who liked or was happy enough with the endings. To us does not matter if majority or minority, other peoples problems with it or how angry or miserable they are towards it. We paid for a product, we enjoyed that product thats all that matters.

That is true. But since you can't provide an argument as to why you enjoyed the ending, your opinion will not be taken serious from me.

Again.. I told you why I liked it by pointing you to a 13 page thread with constant input from myself. You simply do not accept my opinion and reasons. I do not care if by you not accepting my reasons makes you feel you do not wish to take me seriously but your response dimissing all 13 pages of content as to why I liked it makes me not take you seriously. Works both ways if wish to play that game.

I fail to see your reasons to like the ending in any of your posts over there. Its pretty much "I thought it was good" and "I liked it alot". Those are not reasons, its just you saying that you liked it over and over again without actually providing an argument as to why.

[BatmanPWNS]

God forbid someone have a different opinion. And this is coming from someone who dislikes the ending.

[Icemix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Documental wrote...

Oh I'm so bloody sorry for not minding the ending. I never defended it, I'm not either side as I just don't mind it, I don't think it's terrible but I don't think it's great either.

Could they have come up with a better ending? Yes. Could they have come up with a worse ending? Yes.

I saw my character finish a journey, my character's journey and the way that they ended the journey is something that I am content with, I can accept how it ended and what it meant for the rest of the ME Universe when it ended.

Don't let them bait you into getting upset over. All that matters is that you are happy with what you paid for which is the case for many if not all of us who liked or was happy enough with the endings. To us does not matter if majority or minority, other peoples problems with it or how angry or miserable they are towards it. We paid for a product, we enjoyed that product thats all that matters.

That is true. But since you can't provide an argument as to why you enjoyed the ending, your opinion will not be taken serious from me.

And given that you can't understand the concept of people having different tastes in what they enjoy, your opinion will not be taken seriously from me.

Oh I can understand that people like different stuff just fine. Its the fact that they can't provide anything to back up their opinion is the thing that I don't get.

I like cheese fries. Do you require a thesis on why I like cheese fries as well?

If you like cheese fries, you should be able to explain why you do.
*mind blown*

[Zemore]

Documental wrote...

I saw my Shepard make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy, she had said all her goodbyes on Earth, I didn't expect to survive the final outcome and I didn't.

That's my closure, that a character I cared about for an entire series died at the end to save the galaxy.

sure if you would like to ignore the fact the entire universe is on earths doorstep and well ........whos gonna feed them and fuel thier ships? face is it needs more clarification.