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[Dragoonlordz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icemix wrote...

EvilTaxi wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...
Just like you shrug off what we say because we're the vocal minority?

There's a lot of shrugging off on both sides.
Simple point is the ending not only ruins it it ruins the entire series for some of us.  Who are you who get to enjoy the damn game despite all its plot holes get to tell us we're wrong?

Because any validity to the arguments gets thrown out the window because the most vocal of you are the ones who are either "DO X OR ELSE I WON'T BUY ANYTHING OF YOURS AGAIN" or are "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DO. YOU'VE LOST MY MONEY FOREVER."  Now I don't like the endings either, but at least I'm not screaming and having a conniption over it.

To turn the tables, who are you to rain on the parades of those who did enjoy it?

Who the **** is raining on anyones parede? 
They say they like the ending. Fine that is great, good for them.
Now I ask, if you liked the ending, how do you justify the story inconsistences and the huge amount of plot holes?
The only answer I get is "I liked it, why should I have to justify anything".
One would asume that you should be able to defend your opinion, how am I supposed to take any of you serious if you can't do that?

I am not copy and pasting 13 pages of my replies of which I answered your questions already asked by others towards me (not with just because I liked x, y and z) simply because your too dam lazy to look and instead rely on vast false implications. Noone likes to talk to a brick wall and thats what it is like talking to you.

I read some of that thread.
your ok with it because it doesn't follow the cliche ending of being and actual ending?

Hyperbole does you so much credit... <_<

No, but nice to know any discussion with you falls into such resolution and responses. In fact you already lost credability the moment you lied about what it is I am said and replaced it with what you imagined I might have said some point in time which was not the case. Then you talked about generalisations and further back up your own stance using those very same ones.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[Zemore]

Anastassia wrote...

I could say the same about the 'evidence' from Arrival that all Mass Relays explode star systems.

And Klencory was in all three games.

the planet is in all 3 games so is the rachni queen she isnt the oiley shadows .... and klendragon isnt a being of light.  and i agree with the exploding what im saying is the end seems to defy alot of things the game has said in the past ... so can we trust these sources?

[Rockworm503]

Icemix wrote...

EvilTaxi wrote...

Icemix wrote...
Who the **** is raining on anyones parede? 
They say they like the ending. Fine that is great, good for them.
Now I ask, if you liked the ending, how do you justify the story inconsistences and the huge amount of plot holes?
The only answer I get is "I liked it, why should I have to justify anything".
One would asume that you should be able to defend your opinion, how am I supposed to take any of you serious if you can't do that?

Short version: You don't have to.
Long version: Your camp and the other camp obviously have irreconcilable differences of opinion. Accept it and move on to something different. It's like trying to convince a righty that Obamacare is good or a lefty that the Keystone XL pipeline is awesome.

There shouldn't be camps. We should all be discussing this in a civilized matter, instead both sides are just baiting each other into flame wars. Its disgusting.

Indeed.  We're the badguys because they don't agree with us.  I been attacked yet I still haven't generalized them all as attacking us.  They keep pulling that card.
I read Dragonlordz thread and I still don't understand why he likes the ending I even responded with a question mark because it really was just a question.
Now I've lost credibility for asking a question.

[Icemix]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icemix wrote...

EvilTaxi wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...
Just like you shrug off what we say because we're the vocal minority?

There's a lot of shrugging off on both sides.
Simple point is the ending not only ruins it it ruins the entire series for some of us.  Who are you who get to enjoy the damn game despite all its plot holes get to tell us we're wrong?

Because any validity to the arguments gets thrown out the window because the most vocal of you are the ones who are either "DO X OR ELSE I WON'T BUY ANYTHING OF YOURS AGAIN" or are "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DO. YOU'VE LOST MY MONEY FOREVER."  Now I don't like the endings either, but at least I'm not screaming and having a conniption over it.

To turn the tables, who are you to rain on the parades of those who did enjoy it?

Who the **** is raining on anyones parede? 
They say they like the ending. Fine that is great, good for them.
Now I ask, if you liked the ending, how do you justify the story inconsistences and the huge amount of plot holes?
The only answer I get is "I liked it, why should I have to justify anything".
One would asume that you should be able to defend your opinion, how am I supposed to take any of you serious if you can't do that?

I am not copy and pasting 13 pages of my replies of which I answered your questions already asked by others towards me (not with just because I liked x, y and z) simply because your too dam lazy to look and instead rely on vast false implications. Noone likes to talk to a brick wall and thats what it is like talking to you.

Yes because I am going to go dig in 13 pages for 1 or 2 replies, that may or may not have anything to do with this argument. Either PM me tose replies where you adress your stance on the plot holes or don't bother replying to me.

No for the simple reason almost everyone of your side has relied on those plot holes to attack my stance so almost every other reply in that thread talks about those plot holes hence not copying thirteen pages. There is not just 'one' reply and answer in the thread about your issue, in fact most of it is about it so it is not the case of copy and pasting a "couple" of answers as almost every other answer in it relates to your problem.

Then I am going to read more into it tomorrow, but I am going to stop at the first sight of anything like "I liked the ending because I liked it".

[Rockworm503]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icemix wrote...

EvilTaxi wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...
Just like you shrug off what we say because we're the vocal minority?

There's a lot of shrugging off on both sides.
Simple point is the ending not only ruins it it ruins the entire series for some of us.  Who are you who get to enjoy the damn game despite all its plot holes get to tell us we're wrong?

Because any validity to the arguments gets thrown out the window because the most vocal of you are the ones who are either "DO X OR ELSE I WON'T BUY ANYTHING OF YOURS AGAIN" or are "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DO. YOU'VE LOST MY MONEY FOREVER."  Now I don't like the endings either, but at least I'm not screaming and having a conniption over it.

To turn the tables, who are you to rain on the parades of those who did enjoy it?

Who the **** is raining on anyones parede? 
They say they like the ending. Fine that is great, good for them.
Now I ask, if you liked the ending, how do you justify the story inconsistences and the huge amount of plot holes?
The only answer I get is "I liked it, why should I have to justify anything".
One would asume that you should be able to defend your opinion, how am I supposed to take any of you serious if you can't do that?

I am not copy and pasting 13 pages of my replies of which I answered your questions already asked by others towards me (not with just because I liked x, y and z) simply because your too dam lazy to look and instead rely on vast false implications. Noone likes to talk to a brick wall and thats what it is like talking to you.

I read some of that thread.
your ok with it because it doesn't follow the cliche ending of being and actual ending?

Hyperbole does you so much credit... <_<

No, but nice to know any discussion with you falls into such resolution and responses. In fact you already lost credability the moment you lied about what it is I am said and replaced it with what you imagined I might have said some point in time which was not the case. Then you talked about generalisations and further back up your own stance using those very same ones.

Maybe your thread just doesn't make any sense and I was asking a simple f-ing question.
My god if I knew every syllable I utter would be just be ammunition for you I wouldn't have bother responding.
Because this isn't even an argument anymore its just you HAVE to be right *rolls eyes*

[Annora]

Zemore wrote...

the planet is in all 3 games so is the rachni queen she isnt the oiley shadows .... and klendragon isnt a being of light.  and i agree with the exploding what im saying is the end seems to defy alot of things the game has said in the past ... so can we trust these sources?

I'm talking about Klencory, not Klendagon, which is also a planet in the galaxy, but with a giant crater because it was hit by a mass accelerated weapon. It's how they found the derelict Reaper in 2. As for the oily shadows, I don't know if there's anything to that. Humans don't see the way rachni do. Sour yellow notes doesn't mean a damn thing to a human, why should musics the colour of oily shadows?

But people are saying that the catalyst had no basis in Mass Effect lore, I was merely pointing out that this could be a false statement. Perhaps Kumun Shol saw more than anyone could have imagined.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Icemix wrote...

EvilTaxi wrote...

Icemix wrote...
Who the **** is raining on anyones parede? 
They say they like the ending. Fine that is great, good for them.
Now I ask, if you liked the ending, how do you justify the story inconsistences and the huge amount of plot holes?
The only answer I get is "I liked it, why should I have to justify anything".
One would asume that you should be able to defend your opinion, how am I supposed to take any of you serious if you can't do that?

Short version: You don't have to.
Long version: Your camp and the other camp obviously have irreconcilable differences of opinion. Accept it and move on to something different. It's like trying to convince a righty that Obamacare is good or a lefty that the Keystone XL pipeline is awesome.

There shouldn't be camps. We should all be discussing this in a civilized matter, instead both sides are just baiting each other into flame wars. Its disgusting.

Indeed.  We're the badguys because they don't agree with us.  I been attacked yet I still haven't generalized them all as attacking us.  They keep pulling that card.
I read Dragonlordz thread and I still don't understand why he likes the ending I even responded with a question mark because it really was just a question.
Now I've lost credibility for asking a question.

What specifically do you not get? Feel free to ask a specific question of which I will link it to a post within my thread which you pretend to have read. A specific one not just "plot holes" because if want to go down every single plot hole then I suggest instead of pretending to read something you actually go an do it as I am not copy and pasting the entire thread to cover all possible questions which fall under the truly vast broad paint stroke of "plot holes".

As for lost credability it was in the fact you lied about what it is I was supposed to have said yet never have.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Rockworm503]

I'm not reading 13 pages of people patting each other on the back for liking something.

I'm dead serious I don't see reasons I see bullet points on what they liked about the ending and then people agreeing with you.
I'm done there is no point arguing I lost all credibility with someone who is just going to point to a thread to explain that thread. All I could really fathom is you treat it like entertainement and didn't expect anything more from it.
Jeez reasons like that make Micheal Bay's work look good

[Dragoonlordz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not reading 13 pages of people patting each other on the back for liking something.

I'm dead serious I don't see reasons I see bullet points on what they liked about the ending and then people agreeing with you.
I'm done there is no point arguing I lost all credibility with someone who is just going to point to a thread to explain that thread. All I could really fathom is you treat it like entertainement and didn't expect anything more from it.
Jeez reasons like that make Micheal Bay's work look good

Most of the replies in the thread are from those who do not agree with me but are respectful in voicing such and explain why. Many of those ask questions about plot holes and other elements of which I took the time to answer, some peope expressed they liked it too but not as many as those who did not. If you ask why someone likes it then cannot be bothered to look past a few sentences of what is essentially a huge debate through out then thats your choice but do not pretend the content is not there just because you read a mere few initial lines.

Given you apparently have no interest in putting forth the effort to read something which I stated addressed your concerns over course of a thread, what incentive is there for me to bother answering anymore. I would rather go do something else than put forth more effort of repeating myself then the person who asked a question but was not willing to read the answers. So I am done here for now.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[Zemore]

Anastassia wrote...



I'm talking about Klencory, not Klendagon, which is also a planet in the galaxy, but with a giant crater because it was hit by a mass accelerated weapon. It's how they found the derelict Reaper in 2. As for the oily shadows, I don't know if there's anything to that. Humans don't see the way rachni do. Sour yellow notes doesn't mean a damn thing to a human, why should musics the colour of oily shadows?

But people are saying that the catalyst had no basis in Mass Effect lore, I was merely pointing out that this could be a false statement. Perhaps Kumun Shol saw more than anyone could have imagined.

 
Yes your point is valid if i drew oily shadows it would not mean that reapers were invading my mind ... but this isnt like two people having the same idea this is the same people saying one thing then making that idea later on in another place the oiley shadows are relevant because the writers obviously thought about it before as did they think about the beings of light.
if anything your point could be used with my point if the shadows were signs of indoctrination subconciously shep wouldve heard about the beings of light .... subconciously the reapers could use that to indoctrinate him  

i dont support the indoctrination theory per say but i can see How you can link up the ideas .... the same thing works here You cant say its the starchild just as i cant say the oiley shadows are indoctrination.

Modifié par Zemore, 29 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

[Rockworm503]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not reading 13 pages of people patting each other on the back for liking something.

I'm dead serious I don't see reasons I see bullet points on what they liked about the ending and then people agreeing with you.
I'm done there is no point arguing I lost all credibility with someone who is just going to point to a thread to explain that thread. All I could really fathom is you treat it like entertainement and didn't expect anything more from it.
Jeez reasons like that make Micheal Bay's work look good

Most of the replies in the thread are from those who do not agree with me but are respectful in voicing such and explain why. Many of those ask questions about plot holes and other elements of which I took the time to answer, some peope expressed they liked it too but not as many as those who did not. If you ask why someone likes it then cannot be bothered to look past a few sentences of what is essentially a huge debate through out then thats your choice but do not pretend the content is not there just because you read a mere few initial lines.

Given you apparently have no interest in putting forth the effort to read something which I stated addressed your concerns over course of a thread, what incentive is there for me to bother answering anymore. I would rather go do something else than put forth more effort of repeating myself then the person who asked a question but was not willing to read the answers. So I am done here for now.

lets just agree to disagree then.  You like the ending fine I can respect that.
I don't and i hope you can respect that.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not reading 13 pages of people patting each other on the back for liking something.

I'm dead serious I don't see reasons I see bullet points on what they liked about the ending and then people agreeing with you.
I'm done there is no point arguing I lost all credibility with someone who is just going to point to a thread to explain that thread. All I could really fathom is you treat it like entertainement and didn't expect anything more from it.
Jeez reasons like that make Micheal Bay's work look good

Most of the replies in the thread are from those who do not agree with me but are respectful in voicing such and explain why. Many of those ask questions about plot holes and other elements of which I took the time to answer, some peope expressed they liked it too but not as many as those who did not. If you ask why someone likes it then cannot be bothered to look past a few sentences of what is essentially a huge debate through out then thats your choice but do not pretend the content is not there just because you read a mere few initial lines.

Given you apparently have no interest in putting forth the effort to read something which I stated addressed your concerns over course of a thread, what incentive is there for me to bother answering anymore. I would rather go do something else than put forth more effort of repeating myself then the person who asked a question but was not willing to read the answers. So I am done here for now.

lets just agree to disagree then.  You like the ending fine I can respect that. I don't and i hope you can respect that.

Thats the point I do respect that you did not gain the same level of enjoyment as I did, I respect that the issues you have are valid ones to you as an individual and I have stated this very much over and over both in my thread and outside it. Which is why it annoys me so much when you said the following because it was simply misrepresenting myself and borderline lying about things I have said or done. Unfortunately that same respect is not forthcoming from many who are on the opposing side and yes I am biased in that I only get attacked by those who dislike it not those who like it as much as you are biased in that you only get attacked by those who like it not those who hate it.

Rockworm wrote...
Just like you shrug off what we say because we're the vocal minority?

There's a lot of shrugging off on both sides. Simple point is the ending not only ruins it it ruins the entire series for
some of us.  Who are you who get to enjoy the damn game despite all its plot holes get to tell us we're wrong?

To qoute even one of my posts on my thread which is just one of many occassions over past weeks... I do not like people lying about me or the things I have done. Which is why you got the short end of the stick when did so / implied such.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

panamakira wrote...

I didn't like the ending I got but it's cool to see that other people in BSN enjoy it.

I know the moment you say you like the endings people jump on the chance to tell you how wrong you are. Well that's BS. If you liked the ending good for you!

I just wished I could be part of that group~ :/

Thanks, I hope at some point you will maybe feel the same. Have to wait till April and maybe you will like what they are planning.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[neenee77]

Chewin3 wrote...

An explanation to why people liked the ending is always welcome.

Ignoring the plot holes, lack of r2/r1 button against the kid, and lack of being able to argue with the logic for a moment. I liked the ending.
Emotionally I loved picking synthesis because I got to sacrifice myself aka buffy the vampire slayer and give my dna to everyone including my friends. It made everyone; though they were still different, the same because they were now synthetic as well. EDI and Joker got to hug and it was implied that they would be able to have babies. plus it gave EDI a full emotional ability that she may not have ever had. Everyone being partly sythetic implies that everyone will be able to work together in ways they couldn't before. they would be able to use logic, and cooperation to create new mass relays much quicker than they could have otherwise. plus because everyone is the same the fighting over bull that they were doing before should become irrelevant because they should share both apart of shepard and be sythetic. If these endings were supposed to stand as literal, then i consider these canon, making the next mass effect very interesting to see. due to complete synthesis I am curious as to the powers we would have in future games. note: I understand that there are problems with this because what would we be fighting in the next if we were all getting along. well i thought a neighboring galaxy would be the next choice because of the synthesis advancing us and helping us work together more effeciantly.
Then I though about indoctrination and if that theory was true then i look forward to see what happens to my shepard when that comes out, will i become a husk or part of a reaper, etc...
Now, after all that, that doesn't mean that I dont agree with retake because i do. that was just my emotional response to the ending when i played it.

[Dridengx]

Docmeff22 wrote...

...and think it is good.

Some people liked the movie Howard the Duck, too.

and some people hate classical music and fine paintings, and exotic cars. your point?

[Delta095]

Spoilers in a non-spoiler forum are about to come so prepare and all that.


I liked the ending, I just hated how poor the presentation of the star child was and how inconsistent the ending was. I wasn't cool with the flat out broken promises we got either, like the A, B, and C ending.


To be completely honest, I would have been fine with the A, B, C choice if they weren't exactly the same and resulted in the exact same things. My second playthrough I went through the ending with as few assets as I could, hoping that the last cutscene would be an apocalypse in the making. It wasn't though. In the end, the only impact your asset count made was what Hackett, Anderson, and Coats said in your comms.

But I'm getting off-topic here, I think. I didn't hate the ending, I just felt betrayed.

[Achkas]

A common misconception of the ending is that they only cause what you see. All share the commonality of the Mass Relays failing and very similar cutscene events, but the actual impact of your decisions you don't get to see. It doesn't mean they don't happen.

[Delta095]

Achkas wrote...

A common misconception of the ending is that they only cause what you see. All share the commonality of the Mass Relays failing and very similar cutscene events, but the actual impact of your decisions you don't get to see. It doesn't mean they don't happen.

That doesn't make it any better. For one thing, it's established in Arrival that destroying a mass relay wipes out a system. All of them were, so the only speculation I feel good with having is that everyone died anyway.

Even if the relays just died and didn't actually get destroyed (this part I saw in a video somewhere. I thought it hit the spot), everyone's stranded in the Sol system which means that mass starvation or civil war is on the way anyway.

Modifié par Delta095, 29 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[Annora]

No, it's not established. What was established in Arrival was that SLAMMING AN ASTEROID into a Mass Relay wiped out most of a star system.

[Delta095]

My mistake, then. Still, if the relays are all unusable, the victory fleet is stranded in the Sol system.

[Annora]

Delta095 wrote...

My mistake, then. Still, if the relays are all unusable, the victory fleet is stranded in the Sol system.

With most of the Quarian fleet that produces dextro food and the brightest minds in the entire galaxy all gathered in one spot. You really think they couldn't figure something out? But then, I'm not a pessimist.

[Delta095]

Anastassia wrote...

But then, I'm not a pessimist.

lol.

[Adanu]

Blatant troll post is blatant.

People liked the endings, you didn't. Belittling us only makes people lose more respect for you people.

I, personally, have zero respect for the liners on this forum after weeks of ****storms.

[Njald]

@Dragoonlordz isn't it time you took a breather? Unless personally plan on buy all the games we prevented our friends from buying or if you personally buy all the DLC that won't be bought for our uninstalled copies I don't see any change coming out of your insessive defending of a lost cause.

[ParagonGreg]

I was extremely disappointed in the endings. That being said, there is absolutely no reason for any attack on anybody who liked the ending. People who liked, or even loved it, are just as important as those of us who didn't. If they can overlook the issues or justify them using in-game or conventional logic, then we should be happy for them. Honestly.

To be clear, this is not sarcasm. To those of you who liked the ending, I am truly happy for you. And it's my sincerest wish the original endings are preserved in such a way that you can all still enjoy them.

[Annora]

Njald wrote...

@Dragoonlordz isn't it time you took a breather? Unless personally plan on buy all the games we prevented our friends from buying or if you personally buy all the DLC that won't be bought for our uninstalled copies I don't see any change coming out of your insessive defending of a lost cause.

The same could be said of your movement. The insults, flaming, and feet-stamping are getting very tiresome.

Modifié par Anastassia, 29 mars 2012 - 10:51 .