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[Archereon]

BioWare!!!!

Y u no give us chainswords!!??

[Liber320]

SNascimento wrote...

The codex. 

I don't remember it explaining where it came from, just how it worked. But then again, I skimmed through more of them than I read completely.

Do you remember what it basically said?

[Rockpopple]

Swords are actually a viable weapon for future combat.

The reason why we use guns right now instead of swords is because the human body can't keep up with the potential swords have. We're not strong enough or fast enough to wield a sword properly. Guns are easier to fire and thus to kill with.

But in the future, the tech would make swords a more viable option for those who have augmented their muscles and nervous system to be much faster and stronger than the human body at base rate. Plus, future tech swords would be nearly indestructible - not enough, as Kai Leng proves - and able to cut to just about any object in the world if the sword's edge is as thin as a molecule.

So I think swords in a futuristic use makes perfect sense. Bows on the other hand, don't at all. Bows are just slower guns. You can have a bow-shaped gun, if you want, but it's still a gun - a projectile weapon. The only reason why bows were more efficient when guns were still new is that the reload time of your average firearm was about a month-and-a-half, whereas the bow reloaded in a comparative second. Once the reload times of firearms surpassed that of the bow with semi-automatic weapons, the bow became obsolete as a projectile weapon.

Or you could just say space magic because grr.

[Kaorunandrak]

The swords the phantoms use I think we can assume are made from some seriously advanced compounds that add durabilaty as well allow it to be sharpened to the edge it has. Not only that but they are used by enemies who are almost completly cybernetically enhanced as well as empowered by biotics.

It works whether you like swords or not, the leap you have to make is not that large and is easily explained. If you can mod a hunk of metal embeded in a gun with biotics to encase each sliver that is shaved off into a miniture warp torpedo that shreds almost all deffenses then I'm sure an uber biotic sporrting upper implants can do the same thing to a hunk of metal they swing around.

[SNascimento]

Liber320 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The codex. 

I don't remember it explaining where it came from, just how it worked. But then again, I skimmed through more of them than I read completely.

Do you remember what it basically said?

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Yes, it said the technology was always there, but only with close combat becoming more common (because of the reapers) it was developed properly. 

[Avissel]

SNascimento wrote...
Yes, it said the technology was always there, but only with close combat becoming more common (because of the reapers) it was developed properly. 

Husks specfically if I recall.

[RavenEyry]

Archereon wrote...

BioWare!!!!

Y u no give us chainswords!!??

And thunderhammers!

[jumpingkaede]

Rockpopple wrote...

Swords are actually a viable weapon for future combat.

Or you could just say space magic because grr.

Does Kai Leng use a gun at any point?  I don't remember but a sword-gun or gun-sword or gunblade or whatever would be the best of both worlds.

I guess he has Iron Man repulsor blasts too, right?

Plus infinite shields.

Guy should be unstoppable really.  Why didn't he waste the Salarian councilor again?

[Memset]

The Kai Leng fight should have gone more like this:

[Kaorunandrak]

because thane was more uber then he was even with keplers syndrome

[effortname]

luca_centurio wrote...

The Kai Leng fight should have gone more like this:

yase

[humes spork]

luca_centurio wrote...

The Kai Leng fight should have gone more like this:

Shepard gets a really bad case of the ****s and talks Mac Walters into a rewrite for it?

[Bedevil123]

luca_centurio wrote...

The Kai Leng fight should have gone more like this:

+1

[jumpingkaede]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

because thane was more uber then he was even with keplers syndrome

I'm going to have to rewatch the scene.  As always, was happy to suspend disbelief when enjoying Thane and game.  Now that I'm bitter and broken...

Wondering why he didn't just slice off the Councilor's head with his monomolecularoblade.  Was he waiting for something?  

[Rockpopple]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Swords are actually a viable weapon for future combat.

Or you could just say space magic because grr.

Does Kai Leng use a gun at any point?  I don't remember but a sword-gun or gun-sword or gunblade or whatever would be the best of both worlds.

I guess he has Iron Man repulsor blasts too, right?

Plus infinite shields.

Guy should be unstoppable really.  Why didn't he waste the Salarian councilor again?

He did use some kind of projectile weapon, along with a sword. Phantoms in general use a gun and a sword, not a gunblade but two different weapons at once.

I forgot that with the advent of personal shielding, such as kinetic or biotic barriers, the sword user no longer has to fear getting one-shotted by a projectile weapon. So using a sword is even more viable with future tech.

The reason Kai Leng failed wasn't because he was using a sword, it was because he was inept as an Assassin. Thane in his prime would have mopped the floor with Leng the second he got off his shuttle.

[MaaZeus]

Bedevil123 wrote...

yeah i geuss, it would be really sharp, but wouldnt it also be really brittle along the blade? and if you notched it how would yu get it resharpened to a usable thickness? idk i guess it makes more sense than the omni-blade does

Yes. There is a reason why real life swords are not sharpened into razor/scalpel sharpness, it gets really brittle and nicks from slight hard contact. Good edge geometry compensates the lack of sharpness.

Though we dont know what material what the swords in ME are made off. Some futuristic material that is durable and springy without losing edge retention by being too soft? Nor too hard that it would become brittle overall?

Or is it all ?

Modifié par MaaZeus, 29 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[Bedevil123]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

The swords the phantoms use I think we can assume are made from some seriously advanced compounds that add durabilaty as well allow it to be sharpened to the edge it has. Not only that but they are used by enemies who are almost completly cybernetically enhanced as well as empowered by biotics.

It works whether you like swords or not, the leap you have to make is not that large and is easily explained. If you can mod a hunk of metal embeded in a gun with biotics to encase each sliver that is shaved off into a miniture warp torpedo that shreds almost all deffenses then I'm sure an uber biotic sporrting upper implants can do the same thing to a hunk of metal they swing around.

but we shatter KL's sword with a punch? and the phantoms can be diasarmed with one shot? the sword edge could nought, or get stuck in an oppentents body? the omni-blade would have made sense but swords, eh not so much

Modifié par Bedevil123, 29 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[SNascimento]

luca_centurio wrote...

The Kai Leng fight should have gone more like this:

The thing is that Kai Leng (and phantoms) have shileds (or biotic barries) AND dark-energy based barriers.

[humes spork]

MaaZeus wrote...

Yes. There is a reason why real life swords are not sharpened into razor/scalpel sharpness, it gets really brittle and nicks from slight hard contact. Good edge geometry compensates the lack of sharpness.

You know, the only game I've played that did this smartly was the old TSR Buck Rogers P&P game. In that, monoswords were just about the most devastating weapon you could use short of ordnance but required someone with high levels of proficiency to do it. Mostly for the fact if you tried to use one and had no idea how, you'd just break the sword. It was bad enough to the point monosword wielders were the magikarps of that game.

Modifié par humes spork, 29 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[jumpingkaede]

Rockpopple wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Swords are actually a viable weapon for future combat.

Or you could just say space magic because grr.

Does Kai Leng use a gun at any point?  I don't remember but a sword-gun or gun-sword or gunblade or whatever would be the best of both worlds.

I guess he has Iron Man repulsor blasts too, right?

Plus infinite shields.

Guy should be unstoppable really.  Why didn't he waste the Salarian councilor again?

He did use some kind of projectile weapon, along with a sword. Phantoms in general use a gun and a sword, not a gunblade but two different weapons at once.

I forgot that with the advent of personal shielding, such as kinetic or biotic barriers, the sword user no longer has to fear getting one-shotted by a projectile weapon. So using a sword is even more viable with future tech.

The reason Kai Leng failed wasn't because he was using a sword, it was because he was inept as an Assassin. Thane in his prime would have mopped the floor with Leng the second he got off his shuttle.

If a sword lets you OHKO people then yeah.  Although his monomolecusword doesn't.  It got stopped by Thane's heavy pistol IIRC.

So much for being one molecule thick and cutting through anything. 

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 29 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[lyssalu]

im still just really baffled as to why they thought that was a good idea

[lyssalu]

SNascimento wrote...

luca_centurio wrote...

The Kai Leng fight should have gone more like this:

The thing is that Kai Leng (and phantoms) have shileds (or biotic barries) AND dark-energy based barriers.

but we've been shown multiple times that those don't matter in cutscenes 

like that one time ashley oneshot wrex 

[jumpingkaede]

lyssalu wrote...

im still just really baffled as to why they thought that was a good idea

Because swords are cool?  

And if anime/The Matrix/Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon taught us anything it's that swords (and personal combat with swords) are even cooler when the fighters are pirouetting in slow motion.

It's a lesson that Kojima has clearly taken to heart.  Add Bioware to the list of devotees.

lyssalu wrote...

but we've been shown multiple times that those don't matter in cutscenes 

like that one time ashley oneshot wrex 

She probably had those rounds that bypass shields.  Canon... intact. 

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 29 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[GoblinSapper]

SinerAthin wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

No it's not, a normal human could never pierce modern body armor with a normal sword

Let alone the armor in Mass Effect

Soldiers in mass effect are genetically modified and cybernetically enhanced, as well as possible aid from specialized mass effect fields, armor components, and biotics. Mass Effect is all about kinetic force.

Also, armor in Mass Effect is ablative in nature, not absorbtive. ALSO your first supposition is false, you can stab through Kevlar armor with a combat knife.

So..

[Bedevil123]

jumpingkaede wrote...

If a sword lets you OHKO people then yeah.  Although his monomolecusword doesn't.  It got stopped by Thane's heavy pistol IIRC.

So much for being one molecule thick and cutting through anything. 

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