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[alaska-the-1st]

Rockpopple wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Swords are actually a viable weapon for future combat.

Or you could just say space magic because grr.

Does Kai Leng use a gun at any point?  I don't remember but a sword-gun or gun-sword or gunblade or whatever would be the best of both worlds.

I guess he has Iron Man repulsor blasts too, right?

Plus infinite shields.

Guy should be unstoppable really.  Why didn't he waste the Salarian councilor again?

He did use some kind of projectile weapon, along with a sword. Phantoms in general use a gun and a sword, not a gunblade but two different weapons at once.

I forgot that with the advent of personal shielding, such as kinetic or biotic barriers, the sword user no longer has to fear getting one-shotted by a projectile weapon. So using a sword is even more viable with future tech.

The reason Kai Leng failed wasn't because he was using a sword, it was because he was inept as an Assassin. Thane in his prime would have mopped the floor with Leng the second he got off his shuttle.

That an idea. I'm not a fan of gunblades but FFXIII-2 gets N7, armor I think it's only fair that we get Lightnings gunblade 

[Rockpopple]

jumpingkaede wrote...

If a sword lets you OHKO people then yeah.  Although his monomolecusword doesn't.  It got stopped by Thane's heavy pistol IIRC.

So much for being one molecule thick and cutting through anything. 

Thane's been trained since the age of six. He probably knows 100 different ways to counter an attack from monomolecular edged swords. Tho yeah, if Kai-Leng's blade was really monomolecular, it should have cut through Thane's gun. I dunno. Maybe Thane's gun had a kinetic barrier to repel a sword attack. Most likely it was just an oversight.

Whatever. I'm not talking about the scene, I'm talking about how swords in a future tech universe is as viable as a gun.

[Shaigunjoe]

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

Yea, wasn't that the reason they had them in Dune?

[Red Dust]

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

The same should be true of an arrow or bolt from a crossbow. Both would move at many, many times slower than a bullet, thus not trigger kinetic barriers. 

[jumpingkaede]

Bedevil123 wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

If a sword lets you OHKO people then yeah.  Although his monomolecusword doesn't.  It got stopped by Thane's heavy pistol IIRC.

So much for being one molecule thick and cutting through anything. 

sec 28

Knocked the gun out of his hand?

Rockpopple wrote...

Thane's been trained since the age of six. He probably knows 100 different ways to counter an attack from monomolecular edged swords. Tho yeah, if Kai-Leng's blade was really monomolecular, it should have cut through Thane's gun. I dunno. Maybe Thane's gun had a kinetic barrier to repel a sword attack. Most likely it was just an oversight.

Whatever. I'm not talking about the scene, I'm talking about how swords in a future tech universe is as viable as a gun.

Yeah I was agreeing with you.  Especially if you OHKO people since kinetic barriers would let you shrug off all the rounds necessary to get up close.

That's why the worst mobs in Insanity were husks.  They just swarm you and take you out.  Imagine if husks had monomolecularswords?

Would never have gotten past Horizon. 

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 29 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Vovea]

The only game that can pull it off,

[Rockpopple]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Thane's been trained since the age of six. He probably knows 100 different ways to counter an attack from monomolecular edged swords. Tho yeah, if Kai-Leng's blade was really monomolecular, it should have cut through Thane's gun. I dunno. Maybe Thane's gun had a kinetic barrier to repel a sword attack. Most likely it was just an oversight.

Whatever. I'm not talking about the scene, I'm talking about how swords in a future tech universe is as viable as a gun.

Yeah I was agreeing with you.  Especially if you OHKO people since kinetic barriers would let you shrug off all the rounds necessary to get up close.

Sorry, dude. My bad. And thanks for posting the video to the actual fight. Brilliant! I take back what I said about the cutscene, it actually makes perfect sense.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 29 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[humes spork]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Yea, wasn't that the reason they had them in Dune?

I answered that earlier in the thread.

[Rockpopple]

Red Dust wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

The same should be true of an arrow or bolt from a crossbow. Both would move at many, many times slower than a bullet, thus not trigger kinetic barriers. 

Again, the problem with the crossbow is that it's obsolete as a projectile weapon. It lacks the stopping power and reloads too slowly. Why use a slower, weaker gun? For style points?

[Zardoc]

Archereon wrote...

BioWare!!!!

Y u no give us chainswords!!??

**** that, chainaxe all the way.

[jumpingkaede]

Rockpopple wrote...

Sorry, dude. My bad. And thanks for posting the video to the actual fight. Brilliant! I take back what I said about the cutscene, it actually makes perfect sense.

Wasn't me that posted it! 

But yeah, sorry also if it didn't come out clearly.  I was trying to say that IF the sword could cut through anything, with the advent of shields it'd be a pretty deadly weapon.  Without OHKO capability... less so.  Since it could conceivably be stopped by someone's gun or their armor.

[Red Dust]

Rockpopple wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

The same should be true of an arrow or bolt from a crossbow. Both would move at many, many times slower than a bullet, thus not trigger kinetic barriers. 

Again, the problem with the crossbow is that it's obsolete as a projectile weapon. It lacks the stopping power and reloads too slowly. Why use a slower, weaker gun? For style points?

Let me go get my front-loading musket and powder-horn. 

[humes spork]

Zardoc wrote...

**** that, chainaxe all the way.

I hate eldar, but I have to admit...spinner weapons are awesome. Of all the weapons in the 40K universe that invoke the chunky salsa rule, that one's by far the most...inventive.

That, and anything wielded by a noise marine.

Modifié par humes spork, 29 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[Rockpopple]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Sorry, dude. My bad. And thanks for posting the video to the actual fight. Brilliant! I take back what I said about the cutscene, it actually makes perfect sense.

Wasn't me that posted it! 

But yeah, sorry also if it didn't come out clearly.  I was trying to say that IF the sword could cut through anything, with the advent of shields it'd be a pretty deadly weapon.  Without OHKO capability... less so.  Since it could conceivably be stopped by someone's gun or their armor.

Dammit. I'm awfully confused this afternoon. Must be the nachos. Bad nachos.

[Bedevil123]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Yeah I was agreeing with you.  Especially if you OHKO people since kinetic barriers would let you shrug off all the rounds necessary to get up close.

That's why the worst mobs in Insanity were husks.  They just swarm you and take you out.  Imagine if husks had monomolecularswords?

Would never have gotten past Horizon[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]. 

by that logic, super high powered future crossbows should be the ultimate shield bypass weapon?? projectile weapons > melee weapons

also the worst thing on insanity are assualt troopers, that grenade indicator haunts my sleep 

[Jaysh]

This isn't Assassin's Creed.

[Rockpopple]

Why? What's worse about a trooper's grenade on Insanity? On the first level above Normal their grenade can already kill a full-healthed, full-shielded Shepard if she's right on top of it. On Insanity do their grenades kill you from across the room?

[Hendrik.III]

I totally need a morning star to bash some skulls in.

Omni-star SMASH!

[Bedevil123]

Rockpopple wrote...


Sorry, dude. My bad. And thanks for posting the video to the actual fight. Brilliant! I take back what I said about the cutscene, it actually makes perfect sense.

it is a pretty badass fight scene (thane is sweet) but the fact that the blade didnt cut through the the gun leads me to believe it could get stuck trying to penetrate armor to

[jumpingkaede]

Bedevil123 wrote...

by that logic, super high powered future crossbows should be the ultimate shield bypass weapon?? projectile weapons > melee weapons
also the worst thing on insanity are assualt troopers, that grenade indicator haunts my sleep 

My communication ability is taking hits today.  I meant in ME2 (hence the reference to Horizon).  Yeah, grenades are by far the worst in ME3.  Followed by Marauder Shields.  Maybe Marauder Shields is worse actually.  Died at least 30x against him no joke.

Anything that bypasses shields would be pretty incredible.  I guess the ultimate weapon would be a crossbow that shot bolts honed to one molecular thickness?  

[humes spork]

Rockpopple wrote...

Why? What's worse about a trooper's grenade on Insanity? On the first level above Normal their grenade can already kill a full-healthed, full-shielded Shepard if she's right on top of it. On Insanity do their grenades kill you from across the room?

Imagine being in a random MW2 lobby.

That's a 15-v-1 team deathmatch.

You're the one.

The fifteen are all stereotypical screechers.

Infinite grenades, no friendly fire.

Modifié par humes spork, 29 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Rockpopple]

Well that sounds like high-octane nightmare fuel.

Guess that's why they call it "Insanity".

[dafty duck]

Iwant an Angry marine launcher, in it so I can fire them at the Star child at the end of the game, just so I can show my utter disdaine for his dues ex machina "it's magic all along" POS ending choices.

meh either that or a chainsword.

Modifié par dafty duck, 29 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[Kaorunandrak]

Bedevil123 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...

The swords the phantoms use I think we can assume are made from some seriously advanced compounds that add durabilaty as well allow it to be sharpened to the edge it has. Not only that but they are used by enemies who are almost completly cybernetically enhanced as well as empowered by biotics.

It works whether you like swords or not, the leap you have to make is not that large and is easily explained. If you can mod a hunk of metal embeded in a gun with biotics to encase each sliver that is shaved off into a miniture warp torpedo that shreds almost all deffenses then I'm sure an uber biotic sporrting upper implants can do the same thing to a hunk of metal they swing around.

but we shatter KL's sword with a punch? and the phantoms can be diasarmed with one shot? the sword edge could nought, or get stuck in an oppentents body? the omni-blade would have made sense but swords, eh not so much

First of all Shepard is cybernetically enhanced and genetically enhanced from the alliance and cerberus he was the only one strogn enough out side of the geth and krogan to wield the shot gun and widow sniper rifle.

Also Kai leng is severly wounded when we break the sword and part of the sword durability could come from the biotic abilities of the phantoms, which to me would explain alot. Kai leng is nothing more than a uber phantom.

As far as the omni blades go they seem to be highly fragile and diposable weapons that have at least a few seconds to "charge"(fabricate blade/charge blade ability, strike, explode) and are not suitable for sustained fast paced close quarters combat if your trying not to get hit.

However the phantoms sword are quick agile require no charge period and if my theory about the biotics part is right are far more durable. I am aware that shooting the sword disarms them however that could be explained that they use their biotics to sustian their barriers and dont use them to stregthen the blade until they strike.

I am not trying to be a jerk or argumentative just trying to share what I have gathered so far from my play throughs and codex research.

still don't get personally how we can fabricate a blade to diamond hardness and it shatters after striking a target every time though.

[MaaZeus]

Rockpopple wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

The same should be true of an arrow or bolt from a crossbow. Both would move at many, many times slower than a bullet, thus not trigger kinetic barriers. 

Again, the problem with the crossbow is that it's obsolete as a projectile weapon. It lacks the stopping power and reloads too slowly. Why use a slower, weaker gun? For style points?

If we ride with this monomolecular BS, crossbow may indeed be a deadly weapon in ME universe. With monomolecular cutting tip it could pierce through armor, but still (maybe?) slow enough that it wont trigger kinetic shields?

Just making wild assumptions here.