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[Leonia]

Hey they could have gone with lightsabres..

[Fingertrip]

There's a reason a knife is still a good weapon for close-quarters, and not completely rejected in military-actions.

A sword is little to no different in this regard.

[FeralEwok]

Why not a battle axe?

Seriously, who here doesn't want to see a krogan with one of those bad boys?

[troyk2027]

raizathestorm wrote...

 ...while remaining capable of penetrating armor...

"...classified as 'hard-suit' because it uses thick ceramic plating..." -codex

Nah bro, nah.

[Tibbur]

I used to be a Spectre like Shepard then i took an arrow in the knee

[Iwillbeback]

I like the Katana, it is Reaper tech so it is probably stronger than any stupid gun anyone else has.

[xxLDZxx]

Ahhh its official now we crossed the line of ridicule's.

My the banns begin.

[Pride Demon]

Liber320 wrote...

SinerAthin wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

No it's not, a normal human could never pierce modern body armor with a normal sword

Let alone the armor in Mass Effect

Who said the human or the sword were "normal"?

All Cerberus troops in ME3 are inhanced with Reaper tech-based implants, and I'm sure their swords are a little more complex than simply sharpened steel.
Maybe it's made of a type of metal that's able to remain durable when superheated, making it much easier to cut through things.

DOes anyone remember the codex entry for Phantoms? Maybe it talks about their swords.

They are not... They are molecular blades: created under the effect of very high mass mass effect fields, so the blade is only a molecule or two thick...
They are mentioned as being one of the only types of melee weapons capable of actually hurting krogan, meaning they are the sword equivalent of a Widow rifle...

Phantoms and Kai Leng also have Reaper augmentations, giving them incredible strength compared to their frame, as well as lightning reflexes...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 30 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[Silhouett3]

Why not? Shepard use melee attack all the time, especially to break past Shadow Brokers barrier. Also Krogan still headbutt everything including Rachni and not because they are out of thermal clips.

[EVL65R]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

...Swords? Where? Kai Leng and the Phantoms (that sounds like a really bad band) had katanas, but that's all I saw. What did I miss?

rofl

[evisneffo]

Kai Leng and those Phantoms felt a bit silly and out of place.

That said, I support shortbows.

Modifié par evisneffo, 30 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[NekoPanOnline]

SinerAthin wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

No it's not, a normal human could never pierce modern body armor with a normal sword

Let alone the armor in Mass Effect

tell the knights in the old days who pierced each other's armor all the time with swords that. lol

[Gordulan]

Shepard used to think, but then he took a starchild to the face...

[Hsuzy1987]

NekoPanOnline wrote...

SinerAthin wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

No it's not, a normal human could never pierce modern body armor with a normal sword

Let alone the armor in Mass Effect

tell the knights in the old days who pierced each other's armor all the time with swords that. lol

Chainmaille, maybe. Not plate. Theres a reason why warhammers (with sharpened ice pick ends) and maces were so popular: you don't necessarily need to pierce armour to kill someone. Pulping whatever's inside that armour is pretty effective too.

Modifié par Hsuzy1987, 30 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[EVL65R]

NekoPanOnline wrote...

SinerAthin wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

No it's not, a normal human could never pierce modern body armor with a normal sword

Let alone the armor in Mass Effect

tell the knights in the old days who pierced each other's armor all the time with swords that. lol

depends on how far back you go. as awesome 300 was, i never liked the swords. looking into my time machine tv, i remember reading (in a textbook) that greek swords were heavy and dull, crushing and breaking peoples' arms rather than chopping them off. also soldiers used their feet against the ground to straighten out their blades due to their dense but malleable nature. still, 300 is a personal fav movie of mine. the crow was an unreal flick, and he used a sword in that!

[MaaZeus]

Hsuzy1987 wrote...

NekoPanOnline wrote...

SinerAthin wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

No it's not, a normal human could never pierce modern body armor with a normal sword

Let alone the armor in Mass Effect

tell the knights in the old days who pierced each other's armor all the time with swords that. lol

Chainmaille, maybe. Not plate. Theres a reason why warhammers (with sharpened ice pick ends) and maces were so popular: you don't necessarily need to pierce armour to kill someone. Pulping whatever's inside that armour is pretty effective too.

If its a well made chainmail (with each ring welded or riveted shut), sword is quite ineffective against that too except for kinetic effect if you manage to strike or pierce hard. To my understanding warhammers and maces were the popular weapons of choice during the times of war when people wore full plate armor. Though I may remember wrong.

[Shaoken]

Swords make sense because they get past kinetic barriers, and would be devistating against an opponent that relied entirely on them. Bows would be the same, but at that point you're starting to get into impractical territory since a gun would be better in that context, just slow it's velocity down so it gets under the barriers.

[ThatGuy39]

SinerAthin wrote...

raizathestorm wrote...

A sword is too low velocity to trigger a kinetic barrier, while remaining capable of penetrating armor. Seems like a legit tactic to me.

No it's not, a normal human could never pierce modern body armor with a normal sword

Let alone the armor in Mass Effect

 

Not true. Monomolecular blades. Blades only one molecule thin, that can cut through anything. We can make them now, although they would be expensive. The Shadowrun RPG uses them, which makes swords a viable option in that game. I would think by Mass Effect's time, the process and the alloys available would make monomolecular blades easy to mass produce and relatively inexepensive.

[Hsuzy1987]

MaaZeus wrote...

If its a well made chainmail (with each ring welded or riveted shut), sword is quite ineffective against that too except for kinetic effect if you manage to strike or pierce hard. To my understanding warhammers and maces were the popular weapons of choice during the times of war when people wore full plate armor. Though I may remember wrong.

Right. The goal was to take the armoured knight off his horse, possibly stun him. Then they'd use dirks or something similarly tapered and pointy to slip under the joints and do the damage.

Hence warhammers and maces. The English billhook was also quite nasty.. had a hook to yank a knight right off his horse.

[Pride Demon]

MaaZeus wrote...

If its a well made chainmail (with each ring welded or riveted shut), sword is quite ineffective against that too except for kinetic effect if you manage to strike or pierce hard. To my understanding warhammers and maces were the popular weapons of choice during the times of war when people wore full plate armor. Though I may remember wrong.

OT: Well, actual full plate was less common than one may be led to believe: considering how incredibly heavy (and expensive) it was, it was generally only worn by knights who could get away with both problems (weight =the horse handles movement, cost = if you have enought money to own and mantain a horse you definitely have enough for good armour)...

Men-at-Arms usually only wore parts, not the whole thing, if even that, so it was aim for the exposed limbs...
Still, the most common weapons against plate were halberds and pikes, and of course the crossbow (that last one was considered so OP during the Middle Ages they even tried to ban its use), mainly because they were cheaper to produce than maces and warhammers...

English longbows/bills were also very effective...

At least that's what I remember...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 30 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[MaaZeus]

Pride Demon wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

If its a well made chainmail (with each ring welded or riveted shut), sword is quite ineffective against that too except for kinetic effect if you manage to strike or pierce hard. To my understanding warhammers and maces were the popular weapons of choice during the times of war when people wore full plate armor. Though I may remember wrong.

OT: Well, actual full plate was less common than one may be led to believe: considering how incredibly heavy (and expensive) it was, it was generally only worn by knights who could get away with both problems (weight =the horse handles movement, cost = if you have enought money to own and mantain a horse you definitely have enough for good armour)...

Men-at-Arms usually only wore parts, not the whole thing, if even that, so it was aim for the exposed limbs...
Still, the most common weapons against plate were halberds and pikes, and of course the crossbow (that last one was considered so OP during the Middle Ages they even tried to ban its use), mainly because they were cheaper to produce than maces and warhammers...

English longbows/bills were also very effective...

At least that's what I remember...

I left two handers and polearms out intentionally as they are not in same "category", so to speak, as swords are as battlefield weapons. Single hander + shield that is.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 30 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[Pride Demon]

MaaZeus wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

If its a well made chainmail (with each ring welded or riveted shut), sword is quite ineffective against that too except for kinetic effect if you manage to strike or pierce hard. To my understanding warhammers and maces were the popular weapons of choice during the times of war when people wore full plate armor. Though I may remember wrong.

OT: Well, actual full plate was less common than one may be led to believe: considering how incredibly heavy (and expensive) it was, it was generally only worn by knights who could get away with both problems (weight =the horse handles movement, cost = if you have enought money to own and mantain a horse you definitely have enough for good armour)...

Men-at-Arms usually only wore parts, not the whole thing, if even that, so it was aim for the exposed limbs...
Still, the most common weapons against plate were halberds and pikes, and of course the crossbow (that last one was considered so OP during the Middle Ages they even tried to ban its use), mainly because they were cheaper to produce than maces and warhammers...

English longbows/bills were also very effective...

At least that's what I remember...

I left two handers and polearms out intentionally as they are not in same "category", so to speak, as swords are as battlefield weapons. Single hander + shield that is.

Oh, I see... Sorry, my mistake...

[LilyasAvalon]

Don't even joke, I've run into a few ME RP's and I've seen 'omni-bow's'. They apparently function similar to omniblades in execution and  geth plasma shotguns in power, with further distance use.

How do I know this?

...My boyfriend came up with it.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 30 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[jimmyw404]

Arppis wrote...

Swords! Not words!

...oh, well bows.

Waheey!

[Cainhurst Crow]

Ask and ye shall receive.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 29 mars 2013 - 06:12 .