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[Chrislo1990]

I have to agree with almost all of the posts above me. I think that if Bioware truly cared about releasing a finished product, they would have negotiated with EA in further delayiing the game. That would have been perfectly fine with me.

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical? That is insulting!! How could you be proud of that? How would anyone? I certatinly would not.

Bioware backed out on almost all of their promises, not just some. They have severely damaged their reputation with their hardcore fanbase. As a hardocre fan of the ME franchise, I have begun to wonder in what direction Bioware is headed. They seem to be straying further and further away from their roots and that his me worried.

I won't hold my breath for good news at PAX. Mosl likely Bioware will announce dlc that will only attempt to clarify the endings, not fix them. Thing is however, the endings are so illogical that I don't think they can be explained away. I believe the only chance Bioware has at preventing the story from completely falling apart is to implemenmt the indoctrination theory. It's the only thing I amware of that can manke SOME sense out the endings.

I will continue to hold the line though along with the thousands and thousands of fans out there who too are disatisfied with endings. Mass Effect started with a bang, it should end with a bang, not a whisper.

[howieloader]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

I have to agree with almost all of the posts above me. I think that if Bioware truly cared about releasing a finished product, they would have negotiated with EA in further delayiing the game. That would have been perfectly fine with me.

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical? That is insulting!! How could you be proud of that? How would anyone? I certatinly would not.

Bioware backed out on almost all of their promises, not just some. They have severely damaged their reputation with their hardcore fanbase. As a hardocre fan of the ME franchise, I have begun to wonder in what direction Bioware is headed. They seem to be straying further and further away from their roots and that his me worried.

I won't hold my breath for good news at PAX. Mosl likely Bioware will announce dlc that will only attempt to clarify the endings, not fix them. Thing is however, the endings are so illogical that I don't think they can be explained away. I believe the only chance Bioware has at preventing the story from completely falling apart is to implemenmt the indoctrination theory. It's the only thing I amware of that can manke SOME sense out the endings.

I will continue to hold the line though along with the thousands and thousands of fans out there who too are disatisfied with endings. Mass Effect started with a bang, it should end with a bang, not a whisper.

QFT

[Persephone]

My hopes for PAX:

1) No dodging the issue this time, Bioware. You promised answers in April, here's your chance to be straight with folks & smooth lotsa ruffled feathers.

2) Announcing what they are planning. Release date isn't necessary. If they didn't have an ace up their sleeves, I want them to take their time & do it right. No rushed DLC/Content patch.

3) Much needed ME3 patch addressing bugs. This should not be delayed any further.

4) The fans being there not rioting. Civility is the key to success.

[Larryboy_Dragon]

""A vast majority will not be satisfied with a so called "Producers Cut". Any attempt to clarify the absolute schizophrenic mess at the end is unsalvagable. Please make it patently clear that people will not settle for deleted scenes and text epilouges[sic].""

Actually, that's exactly what some people are willing to settle for.

[AtlasMickey]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical?  

You're in plain denial of the facts. That doesn't describe the endings at all.

[Persephone]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

""A vast majority will not be satisfied with a so called "Producers Cut". Any attempt to clarify the absolute schizophrenic mess at the end is unsalvagable. Please make it patently clear that people will not settle for deleted scenes and text epilouges[sic].""

Actually, that's exactly what some people are willing to settle for.

I sure would. The endings can be clarified. After replaying them, I noticed LOTS of things pointing at either IT/A vision/near death experience......(Starting with it clearly being said that the entire ground team was killed & nobody made it to the beam...to some "forces" at play on Anderson & Shep.... why else would Shep friggin' SHOOT Anderson in the gut?)

Would it even be POSSIBLE to...say, scrap anything that happens after Shep is knocked down by Harbinger's beam to add a rewrite? I doubt it. ADDING stuff should be possible. But I would not want them to cut ANYTHING. Clarify, expand, add etc. sure. That's what I'm hoping for.

Modifié par Persephone, 01 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[FS3D]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical?  

You're in plain denial of the facts. That doesn't describe the endings at all.

Someone appears to be doing quite a bit of projecting today.

[Caz Tirin]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical?  

You're in plain denial of the facts. That doesn't describe the endings at all.

You must not have beaten ME3 or watched any of the videos showing the endings.  Either that or you're completely batsh** insane.

[Taboo]

I actually saw the themes at the end being thrown into a black hole. Humanism, Hope and Morality meant nothing in the end, which is why I find the ending so unpleasant. Everything that happened before means nothing. As I've never seen someone dissent one of my open letters I'll have to believe that when faced when a logical debate you have to run away with your tail between your legs. I'm always willing to debate in a respectful manner but not when all the people who disagree with you are considered lesser beings. What I have witnessed here is nothing less than depressing and reveals exactly what Mass Effect was trying to prevent. In the end, the endings reveled the ugliness in us all.

I won't rage or scream but I will sit boldly in front of the perpetual bulldozer.

[GeoFukari]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I actually saw the themes at the end being thrown into a black hole. Humanism, Hope and Morality meant nothing in the end, which is why I find the ending so unpleasant. Everything that happened before means nothing. As I've never seen someone dissent one of my open letters I'll have to believe that when faced when a logical debate you have to run away with your tail between your legs. I'm always willing to debate in a respectful manner but not when all the people who disagree with you are considered lesser beings. What I have witnessed here is nothing less than depressing and reveals exactly what Mass Effect was trying to prevent. In the end, the endings reveled the ugliness in us all.

I won't rage or scream but I will sit boldly in front of the perpetual bulldozer.

And I'll be there with you. Because one should never face a bulldozer without company.

[IndridColdx]

I believe this is the biggest outcry against a game EVER. If they deflect or mislead in anyway shape or form I will lose a lot of faith and respect for Bioware as a game-maker. Bioware's representatives at PAX need to answer the serious questions, and not take the easy road on this one. In many ways the options they have at PAX is a lot like decisions presented to Shepard. Will they take the easy road, or the hard road as a developer? Listen to their fans or not? Change the ending or not? As far as I'm concerned Bioware made a mistake. But I still respect them immensely. Only time will tell if that respect will hold.

[Thalador]

 Absolutely agreed with OP and the vast majority of the posters here. Things need to stay civil, but none of us should back down, no matter how sweet and soothing their future/PAX promises will sound. For as long as we don't play the fixed/changed ending - not the clarified one, but the one we were promised to get with ~16 different outcomes that make sense, do not rip shotgun wounds into the lore of Mass Effect, and where our choices DO matter even at the finale - this is not over from my part.

Thanks for posting this, Taboo! Good luck to every attending fan and even to BioWare (they are going to need a lot if they want to get out this "predicament" *coughunderstatementcough*)!

Hold the Line!

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I actually saw the themes at the end being thrown into a black hole. Humanism, Hope and Morality meant nothing in the end, which is why I find the ending so unpleasant. Everything that happened before means nothing. As I've never seen someone dissent one of my open letters I'll have to believe that when faced when a logical debate you have to run away with your tail between your legs. I'm always willing to debate in a respectful manner but not when all the people who disagree with you are considered lesser beings. What I have witnessed here is nothing less than depressing and reveals exactly what Mass Effect was trying to prevent. In the end, the endings reveled the ugliness in us all.

I won't rage or scream but I will sit boldly in front of the perpetual bulldozer.

Yeah exactly!  The end of the last two ME games made me feel like a hero,the end of this one made me feel like I was worse then hitler and that everything I did was pointless.

Please people no matter what happens at PAX hold the line for new endings with new outcomes

[Taboo]

GeoFukari wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I actually saw the themes at the end being thrown into a black hole. Humanism, Hope and Morality meant nothing in the end, which is why I find the ending so unpleasant. Everything that happened before means nothing. As I've never seen someone dissent one of my open letters I'll have to believe that when faced when a logical debate you have to run away with your tail between your legs. I'm always willing to debate in a respectful manner but not when all the people who disagree with you are considered lesser beings. What I have witnessed here is nothing less than depressing and reveals exactly what Mass Effect was trying to prevent. In the end, the endings reveled the ugliness in us all.

I won't rage or scream but I will sit boldly in front of the perpetual bulldozer.

And I'll be there with you. Because one should never face a bulldozer without company.

Bring food.

I'll be updating later. Just not today. I feel that posting anything on April Fools would be unwise.

[MustacheManatee]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical?  

You're in plain denial of the facts. That doesn't describe the endings at all.

[Persephone]

MustacheManatee wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical?  

You're in plain denial of the facts. That doesn't describe the endings at all.

The ENDINGS aren't identical. (Destroy isn't anything like Synthesis OR Control) Cutscenes were recolored, yes. Same as in...oh...ME2 with the Collector base.

[Taboo]

Persephone wrote...

MustacheManatee wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical?  

You're in plain denial of the facts. That doesn't describe the endings at all.

The ENDINGS aren't identical. (Destroy isn't anything like Synthesis OR Control) Cutscenes were recolored, yes. Same as in...oh...ME2 with the Collector base.

No they aren't. The color analysis is too glib. The problem is in fact far, far worse. I've outlined my own personal analysis in other threads on the topic and in the eleven page letter I sent to Bioware.

[MustacheManatee]

How are they NOT the same. Shepard dies, Normandy crashes, and the Mass relays are destroyed. These three MAJOR consequences happen regardless of any choice made throughout the course of the three games. Sure you may decide to spare the Geth by not picking destroy, or get the Shepard breath scene by choosing destroy, but really, you are left with the same set of consequences no matter what happens.

[D_Dude1210]

I've already made up my mind on what I wanna do. Not buying anymore Bioware/EA products doesn't quite feel like enough for me. Decided that I'm also gonna dissuade as many friends of mine from buying ME3 or any EA/Bioware products. Not just out of my dissatisfaction on the ME3 ending but in my distaste for their unapologetic corporate profits-first approach on how they treat gaming in general.

I've set a quota for myself: to prevent/discourage the sale of no more than 40 Bioware/EA products total. I've started last week, prevented 2 of my friends from getting ME3. gonna be a long haul but it's easy to do and very attainable. Gonna have a running total in every gaming forum post I make from now on.

2/40.

[Taboo]

I think that's the opposite of what I was trying to achieve here. I'll make an addendum to the post tomorrow to address this.

You need to sit in front of the bulldozer, not attack it like an enraged bear.

[jds1bio]

Oh boy. Producers in film and producers in games are different beasts. As for the rest, the formatting was headache-inducing.

[Taboo]

jds1bio wrote...

Oh boy. Producers in film and producers in games are different beasts. As for the rest, the formatting was headache-inducing.

Producers are producers.

Is it too formatted? Should I mix it up? Remove from underlines? Help me out here.

[D_Dude1210]

Taboo: just out of curiousity, what do you plan to do in case they decide to stick to their current PR SOP (deflectIon, redirection, doublespeak)?

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I actually saw the themes at the end being thrown into a black hole. Humanism, Hope and Morality meant nothing in the end, which is why I find the ending so unpleasant. Everything that happened before means nothing. As I've never seen someone dissent one of my open letters I'll have to believe that when faced when a logical debate you have to run away with your tail between your legs. I'm always willing to debate in a respectful manner but not when all the people who disagree with you are considered lesser beings. What I have witnessed here is nothing less than depressing and reveals exactly what Mass Effect was trying to prevent. In the end, the endings reveled the ugliness in us all.

I won't rage or scream but I will sit boldly in front of the perpetual bulldozer.

Yeah that is very well said.

Maybe I am reading too much into this but I find the endings we have now kind of pro racist.  I mean the Reapers and the Star Child seem to have the view that people who are different have to either be changed to be the same or be whiped out now the game seems to reject this racist idea by bringing all the races together but by having Shepard go along with the Star Child the message of the series seems to change to "all that stuff is a load of garbage,there is no way for people to get along you have to go out and kill or enslave each other."  Anyone else agree with this or am I reading too much into it?

[Taboo]

D_Dude1210 wrote...

Taboo: just out of curiousity, what do you plan to do in case they decide to stick to their current PR SOP (deflectIon, redirection, doublespeak)?

If they think I'm going to get angry and leave they're terribly mistaken. I'm in this for the long haul. They'll have to kill me to prevent further peaceful protest. I've put far too much emotional investment in this series to let it die like a fish out of water. Seeing as I haven't been asked to stop and the popularity of this thread, they must not have a problem with what I'm doing. I very much believe in peaceful protest and as a result the producer himself came and made a personal response. No other thread can claim to have that kind of personal interaction.

I will however hold the line while sitting down though or from a lawn chair.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 avril 2012 - 12:41 .