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[FS3D]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical?  

You're in plain denial of the facts. That doesn't describe the endings at all.

All you do is say negative comments towards the movement and act like a damn bully!
I have that feeling that if everyone loved the endings, you would hate them, just to be different. I also have a feeling your not a very nice person irl.

This isn't because you liked the endings, this is because you constantly go out of your way to shut down other peoples views. Almost as sad as the ending really..

Wrong again. You are the bullies. You are the gang of misfits that have tried to delegitimize something and ruin it for the people who actually like it. That something is Mass Effect, a great game series that I love beginning-to-end, which I would still love no matter how popular, because I have loved it. I've been a part of this fan forum for some time. I come here looking for other fans and sadly I don't seem to find many,

Aside from your rejecting the game as it's told and asserting its invalidity at a fan forum, of all places, there is nothing... nothing more annoying... than your claim that I am a contrarion for being a fan at a fan forum.

The arrogance of it! 

I stand by my original accusation that you are merely projecting.

Thank you for trying to incite an inflammatory response, but I think I'll pass.

[DarthSyphilis59]

[quote]AtlasMickey wrote...

[quote]Jade8aby88 wrote...

[quote]AtlasMickey wrote...

[quote]Chrislo1990 wrote...

But to release product with an ending that takes no regard of your past choices, reputation, moral inclinations, etc only two provide you with three endings that are nearly identical?  [/quote]

You're in plain denial of the facts. That doesn't describe the endings at all.
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We're in denial huh? Hello Pot. Meet kettle.

[Cirreus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I think Bioware gets the message. I would go to PAX if I could and help out but alas I cannot. Just remember that whatever happens at PAX can't put you into a rut if it doesn't go well. I'm trying hard to rally people into a more positive work force.

Hell, I'd even help Bioware if they asked for it.

That is also the completely f*ck*d up part about all this. If Bioware actually asked for our help (along with an apology), this entire cluster f*ck of a situation with ME3 & Bioware would turn around in a second. In my mind, that is the only 100% turn around thing Bioware can do.

If Bioware came out & said "sorry, sh*t happens, here is what we are planning to do & what do you guys think ? we need your help", the sun would come out, sunflowers would be f*ck*ng rainbows & most of the BSN community would be engaged in postive efforts.

[Taboo]

New info about a contingency plan should PAX prove to be less than satisfactory.

[bluewolv1970]

OP - awesome job and thanks for taking the time to update!

[Taboo]

I'm still puzzled as to why this thread hasn't been shut down. They really must be listening and I'm taking that as a good sign.

And yes I will continue to update as I see fit. I really just hope that the buck stops here and we won't have to continue.

[Deventh]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

I hope that means "We cut 90% of the ending so we could sell it as dlc" i would actually be happy if this was the case.

[Taboo]

Deventh wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

I hope that means "We cut 90% of the ending so we could sell it as dlc" i would actually be happy if this was the case.

Reshaping footage in a film can save it and even make it better. I hope they understand this.

[Taboo]

And you know what? He's right. All they need to do is ask for help and people would be more than happy to do so. I know I would.

[robertm2]

i agree with the op on most things. but i still cant wrap my head around 55,000 being a huge chunk of the fanbase. its not its a vast minority in fact they just like to pretend they are the majority because thats what every movement/political group does to try to drag in more people. if you want to be like everyone else join our group! if you dont want to be in the minority join our group! if you want to be a part of a loud pack of people join our group! its just a scam to try to get a point across and while i respect that opinion i dont respect lying. 55,000 is not even close to a majority.

[AGogley]

There are a lot of situations where I'd be made happy again. Telling me that I'm a malcontent isn't one of them.

I'm not going to protest outside Bioware. But I have limited time and limited money to buy games. I don't have to buy Bioware games. Is that a threat? No. It's just a simple fact. I go where I'm welcome.

[Taboo]

robertm2 wrote...

i agree with the op on most things. but i still cant wrap my head around 55,000 being a huge chunk of the fanbase. its not its a vast minority in fact they just like to pretend they are the majority because thats what every movement/political group does to try to drag in more people. if you want to be like everyone else join our group! if you dont want to be in the minority join our group! if you want to be a part of a loud pack of people join our group! its just a scam to try to get a point across and while i respect that opinion i dont respect lying. 55,000 is not even close to a majority.

We had a statistician come in and tell us otherwise. 55,000 thousand people is more than enough for a sample size. Many more people are upset, they just aren't talking. Bioware has to know this by now.

[translationninja]

robertm2 wrote...

i agree with the op on most things. but i still cant wrap my head around 55,000 being a huge chunk of the fanbase. its not its a vast minority in fact they just like to pretend they are the majority because thats what every movement/political group does to try to drag in more people. if you want to be like everyone else join our group! if you dont want to be in the minority join our group! if you want to be a part of a loud pack of people join our group! its just a scam to try to get a point across and while i respect that opinion i dont respect lying. 55,000 is not even close to a majority.

You must not be very familiar with statistics and the concept of sample sizes. 55,000 is a formidable sample size for 3.5 Mill. units.

Actually, in the US election predictions are based on a much smaller sample size. Statistically speaking, the ratios of this sample, accounting for variances, flukes, margin errors etc. is actually quite sufficient to provide conclusive projections of the overall reception.

[Taboo]

translationninja wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

i agree with the op on most things. but i still cant wrap my head around 55,000 being a huge chunk of the fanbase. its not its a vast minority in fact they just like to pretend they are the majority because thats what every movement/political group does to try to drag in more people. if you want to be like everyone else join our group! if you dont want to be in the minority join our group! if you want to be a part of a loud pack of people join our group! its just a scam to try to get a point across and while i respect that opinion i dont respect lying. 55,000 is not even close to a majority.

You must not be very familiar with statistics and the concept of sample sizes. 55,000 is a formidable sample size for 3.5 Mill. units.

Actually, in the US election predictions are based on a much smaller sample size. Statistically speaking, the ratios of this sample, accounting for variances, flukes, margin errors etc. is actually quite sufficient to provide conclusive projections of the overall reception.

This is what I meant to say but I have no math skills. A vast majority are upset and Bioware must at least now be aware of this.

Slightly off topic. Is the OP easy to read? I had someone take issue with it yesterday and wondered if other people were having the same problem.

[Taboo]

Update: Tomorrow I will create a thread planning a contingency plan should PAX not go well, regarding the continued ending grievances and further plans to rally people.

[tn908205]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Update: Tomorrow I will create a thread planning a contingency plan should PAX not go well, regarding the continued ending grievances and further plans to rally people.

Thank you.   
I wish I could be there at PAX. However I lived in Asia...um...having some difficulties. lol
I'll hold the line from where I'm standing. 

[D_Dude1210]

I read your contingency plan. Your heart is in the right place but I feel that creating a plan with relevant attainable goals has to be the next step here. From their language, it is clear that EA/Bioware is unwilling to change anything and that they've already pretty much figured out what to do.

What do I see them doing? Keep silent and stall for time to weaken resolve. What next? Divide and conquer. Create a DLC that addresses SOME of the concerns for ME3 (w/o having to admit to any mistake or change anything that has already been planned beforehand) and garner the support of a portion of the movement, use them to weaken the resolve of the rest (probably a "clarification" DLC). Let it run, stall for time and create further internal conflict via well placed plants, wait til more of the remaining members lose resolve and become receptive to compromises, use plants to direct flow of opinions towards pre-planned DLC, hype and market new DLC, pretend that this is due to "listening" to community requests, then rinse and repeat.

I fear that if you go the peaceful route, it'll be much too ineffective and if we don't set precise goals and have a definitive course of action now, it'll be too little too late by the time you realise you've been outmaneuvered.

[D_Dude1210]

Edit: haha, thought you already posted your plan. Sorry, carry on.

[Vexia2070]

Remember too, rabid fanboy-girls who don't give a damn will also be in the audience. They will want their moments too. Don't let them rile or thrown you off your goal.

[Loreshield]

Bump because this post is important and too valuable to fall off the first page. I agree with every point and I thought my resolve could not be strengthened beyond how strong it already was, but I guess I was wrong.

We WILL win this. And when all is said and done, BioWare, EA and everyone else who is now "against" us will realize this actually serves them as much as it does us. It is just massively important that we hold the line.

You said "Yehla Moya" and talked about spirit. I'd like to remind everyone that this is exactly what we need.

Modifié par Loreshield, 04 avril 2012 - 05:16 .

[Tanis1983]

bumpity.

[TookYoCookies]

Great post OP, great thanks to Mr. Gamble for taking time out to post as well.

That said, there are things wrong with this ending, the way a majority of the fans we're treated as a result, and the continued neglect we've been given by a company we are giving every opportunity to convince us that we are wrong. PAX is a fantastic chance to salvage the ME universe/lore, salvage the relationship between bioware/fans, and to finally put this whole debacle behind us and move on.

So Please Bioware, dont mess this up.

* Tosses cigarette, begins march Back to the Line*

[cutegigi]

Taboo-XX wrote...

New info about a contingency plan should PAX prove to be less than satisfactory.

my contingency plan is simply to burn my ME3 CE copy, ****** on it. and walk off from bioware and EA.
And I will take a role of the bard. spreading the story about ME3, and how it was then.... to whoever willing to listen. Warn them not to fall to the same evil.  

[BrianWilly]

This is a really good thread. Thanks for typing it out~