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[ogj835]

We can't control what their solution is to this problem. The one thing I know that I can control is that if this solution doesn't satisfy me, I won't be a customer for their product or art after everything is done for this game. Whatever happens, I'll buy any DLC or expansions they put out for this game after that, it depends on how much effort and thought goes into how they handle this situation.

I'm not completely unreasonable. I don't really care about seeing a certain type of ending, but the ones they have and the way that it was done is just not how a series like this should end. Explanations and clarification done the right way, might just be enough for me.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

No amount of extending will change the fact that none of those choices are ones my Shepard would have made and it was out of character for him to make them. If the only options were those or going down fighting my Shepard would have chosen to go down fighting rather then betray all the races he had worked with or bend his knee to any reapers or starchild who is wrong about everything.

[Taboo]

totalrecall87 wrote...

Great post OP! Are you going to PAX?

No.

People need to understand that we are having an effect. If people spoke up like this against all forms of BS the world wouldn't be in this shape.

If you are going, know that you have more power than Bioware does and you always will. You simply do not have the materials to create. But your opinion does buy Bioware more paintbrushes and computers though. Always remember this.

Don't give up.

[gmboy902]

Yeah, I expect BioWare to be dodgey at PAX. There's no reason to suspect they'll be clear and understandable when they've kind of failed to do so so far, to limited success. But there's no better way to break the beast than to be peaceful enough for them to not have a reason to blow you off, but persistent enough for them not to be able to ignore the issue.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Well said. Bioware can't exist with out our money so while they may have the media on their side if we stick to this in the long run and don't give up after just a few weeks we will win in the end because we have the power. if we can't get the game Bioware told us we were buying from them we can always spend our money elsewhere and there is nothing they can do about that.

[Taboo]

gmboy902 wrote...

Yeah, I expect BioWare to be dodgey at PAX. There's no reason to suspect they'll be clear and understandable when they've kind of failed to do so so far, to limited success. But there's no better way to break the beast than to be peaceful enough for them to not have a reason to blow you off, but persistent enough for them not to be able to ignore the issue.

They can't ignore the issue. Look at the sales. They're pitiful at the moment.

[gmboy902]

Taboo-XX wrote...

gmboy902 wrote...

Yeah, I expect BioWare to be dodgey at PAX. There's no reason to suspect they'll be clear and understandable when they've kind of failed to do so so far, to limited success. But there's no better way to break the beast than to be peaceful enough for them to not have a reason to blow you off, but persistent enough for them not to be able to ignore the issue.

They can't ignore the issue. Look at the sales. They're pitiful at the moment.

On one hand, they've thrown that off by offering Arkham City for $10 if you buy Mass Effect 3, an almost irresistable (and shameful) deal.

On the other hand, I know that if anything will motivate EA, it's money. It's just a matter of whether they figure out that fixing their ending properly will end up earning them more money than it will cost them.

[Taboo]

gmboy902 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

gmboy902 wrote...

Yeah, I expect BioWare to be dodgey at PAX. There's no reason to suspect they'll be clear and understandable when they've kind of failed to do so so far, to limited success. But there's no better way to break the beast than to be peaceful enough for them to not have a reason to blow you off, but persistent enough for them not to be able to ignore the issue.

They can't ignore the issue. Look at the sales. They're pitiful at the moment.

On one hand, they've thrown that off by offering Arkham City for $10 if you buy Mass Effect 3, an almost irresistable (and shameful) deal.

On the other hand, I know that if anything will motivate EA, it's money. It's just a matter of whether they figure out that fixing their ending properly will end up earning them more money than it will cost them.

If they create a proper expansion the same way they did with Dragon Age they could have a major hit on their hands.

[jakal66]

I feel that if they don't say anything before PAX,they run the risk of it blowing up in their faces...so it's different if you have people there who already more or less know what you have planned in regards to the ending

[Ghurshog]

As I have mentioned in other threads Bioware went for a cerebral ending and instead ended up being to clever by half and are now dealing with a black eye because of it.

Modifié par Ghurshog, 29 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[Taboo]

jakal66 wrote...

I feel that if they don't say anything before PAX,they run the risk of it blowing up in their faces...so it's different if you have people there who already more or less know what you have planned in regards to the ending

Correct. I feel they shipped an improperly packaged firework. Instead of pretty explosions we had something literally blow up in our faces. People, needless to say are pissed.

As for cerebral endings, they failed miserably. Kubrick and Malick are disappointed.

[Marinemike69]

Great post. I agree with everything.

But In my heart I'm all ready prepairing to leave my masseffect love. They've treated us like **** way too much.

[Taboo]

I don't think they'll survive another BSN explosion. I am convinced that they will do something but to what extent remains to be seen. If they don't do enough the forums will explode again.

We also must remember that they are trying very hard at the moment to preserve the universe.

[beccathelion]

Great post. Wish I could go and be a part of this. Best of luck to everyone who can. I'll send sweet West Coast vibes.

Modifié par beccathelion, 29 mars 2012 - 10:45 .

[Coreniro]

One of the bad things about those who want new endings and more choices is that, for them, a story isn't nothing more than a recipe. Add a bit of this, remove a bit of that, cook for 30 minutes, then put it in the fridge.

Sure, it's so easy to write the perfect story, this is why 20-21st century literature sucks so bad, compared to any other century.

Another thing is that they claim to have uncommon tastes, and that they don't like easy things, but in the end all they want is fast food. And please don't say that the real "hold the retake" and other bull**** group makers don't want the easy endings. Just read what people are really asking in the "new ending" threads.

One thing is for sure, the organ you used tu assimilate the images of the whole Mass Effect story wasn't the brain. Why don't you form a new group and call it "the belly thinkers"?

[Taboo]

Coreniro wrote...

One of the bad things about those who want new endings and more choices is that, for them, a story isn't nothing more than a recipe. Add a bit of this, remove a bit of that, cook for 30 minutes, then put it in the fridge.

Sure, it's so easy to write the perfect story, this is why 20-21st century literature sucks so bad, compared to any other century.

Another thing is that they claim to have uncommon tastes, and that they don't like easy things, but in the end all they want is fast food. And please don't say that the real "hold the retake" and other bull**** group makers don't want the easy endings. Just read what people are really asking in the "new ending" threads.

One thing is for sure, the organ you used tu assimilate the images of the whole Mass Effect story wasn't the brain. Why don't you form a new group and call it "the belly thinkers"?

We want something that doesn't resemble a schizophrenic's ramblings. Can you honestly tell me you can understand the ending with one hundred percent astuteness? I don't think Casey Hudson can.

[jakal66]

No one can tell me that they didn't have a WTF face when they first saw the ending...I know some people hates is but the only 2 things that can save this fiasco are

a)New complete ending
Idoc theory explained cementing plotholes

[xPandaHunterx]

...

...I really hope they give us a true ending and cut all of the Star-Child crap out completely.

[Taboo]

jakal66 wrote...

No one can tell me that they didn't have a WTF face when they first saw the ending...I know some people hates is but the only 2 things that can save this fiasco are

a)New complete ending
Idoc theory explained cementing plotholes

Which should be a key argument that people make at PAX. You can't explain this. It's too illogical and it's insulting even to the developers.

They have to explain it someway and text epilouges won't do that. There is simply to much amiss.

[Don Ravan]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Too bad nobody (as far as I know) has made shirts, it would be pretty epic if 100 people at pax were wearing retake ME and hold the line

Lets just bring white t-shirts and write Retake ME3 on them and put them on before the panel.

[FyreSyder]

Remember that C. Hudson will be at PAX, just not at the ME3 panel.

[Taboo]

FyreSyder wrote...

Remember that C. Hudson will be at PAX, just not at the ME3 panel.

How.........odd.

He can't escape us forever.

[Megachaz]

Taboo-XX wrote...


Things you need to make clear.

1. A vast majority will not be satisfied with a so called "Producers Cut". Any attempt to clarify the absolute schizophrenic mess at the end is unsalvagable. Please make it patently clear that people will not settle for deleted scenes and text epilouges.

There are not sixteen different endings, there are at most six, albeit with major similarities. We aren't stupid. We know simple alterations when we see them.

There is no possibility of a happy ending per se. Yes, I believe Shepard should survive in one scenario and retire with his love interest, but I also believe it is important for Shepard to reflect on what he has lost. This is a bittersweet ending, not a Disney one.

I think a majority of us would like to see a "Reaper's Win" scenario with a low enough EMS, simply for posterity.

I personally believe that the alerations should go between these two scenarios with varying degrees of depression.

These are the most important parts to stress. Let them know that if they just try to add in a text epilogue and a deleted scene or two, it'll be wasted resources for them.  

Modifié par Megachaz, 29 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[Coreniro]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

We want something that doesn't resemble a schizophrenic's ramblings. Can you honestly tell me you can understand the ending with one hundred percent astuteness? I don't think Casey Hudson can.

I understand the ending. I expected the blue and the red to be just like that, since the end of Mass Effect 2. I expected the destruction of the relays. I didn't imagine the cause, but there's nothing schizoprenic about the ending.
I like the ending in the way I like a good season finale. 

[Taboo]

Coreniro wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

We want something that doesn't resemble a schizophrenic's ramblings. Can you honestly tell me you can understand the ending with one hundred percent astuteness? I don't think Casey Hudson can.

I understand the ending. I expected the blue and the red to be just like that, since the end of Mass Effect 2. I expected the destruction of the relays. I didn't imagine the cause, but there's nothing schizoprenic about the ending.
I like the ending in the way I like a good season finale. 

I find the ending to be a schizoid nightmare. The editing is horrendous, the logic gaps are impossible to explain and the only people who can possible explain it are the schizophrenic patients themselves. The series was always about hope, not madness.