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[Kilshrek]

Tovanus wrote...

I have to wonder what it's like day by day at Bioware's offices. I have to imagine that many of them check the fan reaction periodically, and it's probably pretty demoralizing. I think for all Bioware employees at PAX, I'd take some time to drill in a few key terms you want to avoid using:

1. "Vocal Minority"
2. "Entitlement" or any variation of that
3. "Artistic Integrity"
4. "Clarification"

I'm not going to be there, but I'd wager not using those terms will greatly improve the chances of positive fan reaction to whatever is done. Though, if they intend to keep the Starchild around, I imagine many people will give up (I just don't see any way to "clarify" that into something that fits well into the story). I think a failed response by Bioware won't end in a bang, it'll end in a whimper, with angry forum posters becoming former-forum posters.

I don't know if they've ever used vocal minority and entitlement directly, but in PR statements they sure have implied those. Anyway, I don't think they'd be :

1) So mean
2) Looking for an argument

Of course I've never been to things like this so I don't know how things go there.

But truly, clarification DLC isn't what most people are asking for at all, so far as I can see from the reactions. Hopefully the smoke and mirrors stops at PAX, but I don't know.

[cavs25]

Tovanus wrote...

I have to wonder what it's like day by day at Bioware's offices. I have to imagine that many of them check the fan reaction periodically, and it's probably pretty demoralizing. I think for all Bioware employees at PAX, I'd take some time to drill in a few key terms you want to avoid using:

1. "Vocal Minority"
2. "Entitlement" or any variation of that
3. "Artistic Integrity"
4. "Clarification"

I'm not going to be there, but I'd wager not using those terms will greatly improve the chances of positive fan reaction to whatever is done. Though, if they intend to keep the Starchild around, I imagine many people will give up (I just don't see any way to "clarify" that into something that fits well into the story). I think a failed response by Bioware won't end in a bang, it'll end in a whimper, with angry forum posters becoming former-forum posters.

Bioware listen to this man!

[Randalf84]

Bump for truth, clarity and hope.

[chmarr]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

you wanted a cupcake................dident you

[ryuasiu]

very well thought out, respectful, polite. I really like this. However...Mike being there is not 100% a bad thing. On top of his producer duties he is also one of the main writers in the series and has also scripted out the comics. So he would be there either way, either as main writer or producer. We will just have to listen to his words and see which hat he will be wearing.

[Soul Tumor]

Excellent post. Just hope the people planning to be there to question bioware keep all these points in mind. Would hate to see any people acting in a way that would undermine everything we are trying to accomplish here. Just hope they are as close to the fans as they say and holding the line will be unnecesarry after pax. Personally i hope they fix the endings so i can go back to loving this series.

[mxfox408]

Yes working for a PR firm, I can say this is all PR, and he will be in full calm PR mode with very, more than likely lazy half assed promises.

[Tehzim]

Seeing as how we're already living in the worst case scenario there's really no reason to throw fuel on the fire. I'm just gonna sit back and watch and if PAX goes bad, I'm done.

[Kilshrek]

Soul Tumor wrote...

Excellent post. Just hope the people planning to be there to question bioware keep all these points in mind. Would hate to see any people acting in a way that would undermine everything we are trying to accomplish here. Just hope they are as close to the fans as they say and holding the line will be unnecesarry after pax. Personally i hope they fix the endings so i can go back to loving this series.

I'd just like my soul to be uncrushed. Thanks very much.

[Helmschmied]

I can say that much: I ain't gonna payin' s**t for a post-ending DLC. I already have paid for a satisfying ending, the one that Casey Hudson promised to me.

Great post, by the way. I'll eagerly await any announcement.

[Tovanus]

Kilshrek wrote...

Tovanus wrote...

I have to wonder what it's like day by day at Bioware's offices. I have to imagine that many of them check the fan reaction periodically, and it's probably pretty demoralizing. I think for all Bioware employees at PAX, I'd take some time to drill in a few key terms you want to avoid using:

1. "Vocal Minority"
2. "Entitlement" or any variation of that
3. "Artistic Integrity"
4. "Clarification"

I'm not going to be there, but I'd wager not using those terms will greatly improve the chances of positive fan reaction to whatever is done. Though, if they intend to keep the Starchild around, I imagine many people will give up (I just don't see any way to "clarify" that into something that fits well into the story). I think a failed response by Bioware won't end in a bang, it'll end in a whimper, with angry forum posters becoming former-forum posters.

I don't know if they've ever used vocal minority and entitlement directly, but in PR statements they sure have implied those. Anyway, I don't think they'd be :

1) So mean
2) Looking for an argument

Of course I've never been to things like this so I don't know how things go there.

But truly, clarification DLC isn't what most people are asking for at all, so far as I can see from the reactions. Hopefully the smoke and mirrors stops at PAX, but I don't know.

Honestly, I don't think I'd see them use the word "entitled." With the others though, I could see it. It's just human nature to want to defend yourself.  If you see some group of people being vocal, it's easy to  point at the "total number" of people who have the product and refer to the vocal group as a minority (without asking the more sensitive question of whether they're just a vocal representative sample of a majority opinion).

I'm sure I've seen them use artistic integrity and clarfication. Gives me little hope. Frankly, what I'd really like to see, is for the developers to be presented with the two or three best articles dissecting the endings and the problems with them. The article about Lord of the Rings and Artistic Integrity was very good, the California Literary review one was very good, and maybe they should be presented with the Youtube article by the guy who did an ME 3 ending review in the same style as Redlettermedia.

I'd like to see them response to the issues raised by those rather than a few one-liner questions by the audience. Nothing against the audience. Even smart audience members will have a very difficult time aksing a short question that can't be easily evaded, especially if the crowd is under a lot of admonishion not to get too vocal or upset by evasive answers.

Modifié par Tovanus, 30 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[silvrdark]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

Thank you for dropping in to chat, and for such a direct response.  I know tensions are high (and there are some hurt feelings on both sides)...  I honestly think you guys had the best of intentions.  I work in software development and I know how it gets when you have been wrapped up in something for such a long period of time. 

That said, I was dissapointed with the ending and I don't feel it lives up to the rest of the franchise.  I hope you guys take this opportunity to turn all of this into something amazing.  Remember, we are here because we love you guys, and we love Mass Effect. 

[lachdelkar]

bump, good word OP. I'm from Australia so I obviously will be no where near PAX, so for those going, be polite be respectful and hold. the. line.

[ExcTar]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

I wish you the best for PAX, I'm afraid some people that dislike the ending will turn the entire panel into a massacre, I really do hope it will not be the case, whatever you may or may not announce at PAX, I hope you have a great time and that your days or weeks will not be ruined in case things go south

[Hexley UK]

ExcTar wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

I wish you the best for PAX, I'm afraid some people that dislike the ending will turn the entire panel into a massacre, I really do hope it will not be the case, whatever you may or may not announce at PAX, I hope you have a great time and that your days or weeks will not be ruined in case things go south

I think you do some people a disservice, most here on the forums seem to be quite able to put their point over without needing a "massacre".

I think as long as there are answers and not just stonewalling everything will be just peachy.

P.S Fixed endings and then more Mass Effect with Sheperd please Mr Gamble.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 30 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[Conundrum129]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

Thank you for takeing the time to respond, it's good to know that you and your co-workers care so much about the game and value not only the quality of the game but also the people who play it and our views on it. 

I've read many of the posts by Bioware team members and the letter by Dr. Muzyka and I see the passion that all of you put into the game.  Please don't let the trolls among us reflect on the majority of us who would like to see a better ending and are willing to give not only our complaints but also our ideas on how it should have ended in our eyes. 

I would highly recommend that the creative team read some of the posts on what people think would be a good ending and maybe give a writing credit to them if one or more of the ideas they have is used.  We know that Bioware doesn't take unsolicited ideas but maybe some of them are worth taking a look at, the people writing these simply want to give the creative team new ideas to work with. 

I wish everyone from Bioware that is going to PAX East good luck and I hope that you have big news for us on the future of Mass Effect 3.

[Navywife64]

To those attending pax, good luck, stay calm at all times, be civil and kind. Hugs. Hold the line!

[rexx1888]

hold the line and put the boot in folks, i wont be there since im in aus

[alx119]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

Alright, thanks for your input Mr Gamble. I hope you -do- make yourselves proud in the times to come! 

[spacefiddle]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

effortname wrote...

I wouldn't be proud of the ending if I were in your chair, but maybe that's just my artistic integrity talking.

This, that the ending was Casey and Mac's fault.

I wish people would stop harping on this like it's gospel.  I'm as mystified as how this went down as anyone else, but please remember that you're basing that statement on a trollpost that anyone could have written, that was never confirmed as genuine, that Chris Priestly maintains was bogus. 

It's a damn rumour based on a probable lie.  Please drop it.  We have enough actual
facts to work with, we don't need to make &_)*#?!! up.

[locsphere]

Most definitely!

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Very nice post, well done.

[Navywife64]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

thank you for reading and responding to this post. to all at pax have fun and be kind. hugs

[ld1449]

Hope so Mr. Gamble

[mxfox408]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

^ I understand PR is damage control, I work for a PR firm with pre-screened responses, as far as money goes, never admit or reveal our true funds, or true intent regarding business strategy. That is for higher up to know. However I as a fan feel only two people are responsible for the ending debacle, and those two people usually are the decision makers(Casey Hudson) and they need to address this and make it right before things escalate to the point of no return. Fans are consumer's and they definitely feel betrayed, but are wlling to forgive bioware if they fix thier product. If they refuse however, as a man of a PR firm, I know that loosing customers by the thousands is a major hit to the companiess income and reputation. I know bioware would not want to risk that, but they need to first admit thier shortsightedness and promise to fix it, which they have yet to do. But most of us are waiting to see what happens next week, and we will be HOLDING THE LINE.