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[Ultra Prism]

good post of things to do and rock out

[Kilshrek]

Tovanus wrote...

Honestly, I don't think I'd see them use the word "entitled." With the others though, I could see it. It's just human nature to want to defend yourself.  If you see some group of people being vocal, it's easy to  point at the "total number" of people who have the product and refer to the vocal group as a minority (without asking the more sensitive question of whether they're just a vocal representative sample of a majority opinion).

I'm sure I've seen them use artistic integrity and clarfication. Gives me little hope. Frankly, what I'd really like to see, is for the developers to be presented with the two or three best articles dissecting the endings and the problems with them. The article about Lord of the Rings and Artistic Integrity was very good, the California Literary review one was very good, and maybe they should be presented with the Youtube article by the guy who did an ME 3 ending review in the same style as Redlettermedia.

I'd like to see them response to the issues raised by those rather than a few one-liner questions by the audience. Nothing against the audience. Even smart audience members will have a very difficult time aksing a short question that can't be easily evaded, especially if the crowd is under a lot of admonishion not to get too vocal or upset by evasive answers.

No, like I said it was never directly said. But people can seem to find such meaning in words sometimes. The vocal minority argument, implied by Dr Muzyka's statement when he neatly sidestepped a chunk of the forums and said that the critics gave ME 3 great scores.

Artistic integrity and clarification, in same statement. I honestly don't know what to make of it, on the one hand I'd be really hypocritical to be expecting literal truth from any PR statements when I steadfastly refuse to believe them when they don't say something I want to hear. So I'll just wait until the action comes. I don't presume to know what goes on in the collective minds of Bioware, but I hope they can appreciate that there are people out there who see this ending as a betrayal of everything the series stood for. I'm not shouting from rooftops, I'm not writing my local representatives, I'm just here, voicing my unhappy opinion of the ending. And I know of many others like me.

But at PAX, do crowd handlers shut people down if they ask long questions? If an answer is clearly evasive and someone else asks the same question again, do they get shut down? How harsh are they when it comes to these sort of things, I wonder?

[Spectre_Shepard]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

Mike! We love you man!

How about throwing a little love our way soon? I'd hate for it to have to end like this....

[tjc2]

I bet CD PROJEKT has had smiles on their faces since launch. We should start a petition right now to stop them from letting EA buy all of their shares from the Polish stock exchange!

Modifié par tjc2, 30 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[Cucobr]

Dear BioWare,
I'll tell you something that you probably already know but worth talking about anyway.



In the event of BioWare at PAX, we'll want to know about the Ending-DLC



Understand one thing, we do not want to know if you are doing the DLC Omega, if you are doing the High Texture Pack for PC ... all this is nothing compared to the DLC important to close the trilogy.

you say that we would have news in April. PAX is in April.

And for God's sake, do not speak:
- We are working on it
- We are doing the DLC.

We want answers.

We do not want to know the history of the DLC of course. We want to know:
- The DLC will be paid?
- What is the reason you do that ending?
Among other things about the DLC and the ending.

Understand one thing, your event will be about the ending of the game and the DLC, that's what we want to hear, that's what we're going to see. Any other matter will be very frustrating.

Modifié par Cucobr, 30 mars 2012 - 01:08 .

[stwu]

Dracowulf wrote...

Absolutely agreed. Thanks for reminding the community of this... some might be too easily swept up in PR nonsense and empty phrasing that reads almost like a promise. We've been burned by that before.

I'm in this for the long haul, for sure. Holding the Line until all is once again right in the Mass Effect Universe.
With honor, reason, and tenacity.

Keelah se'lai.

The worst thing we can do is fall for their PR crap. We need to hold the line until each of us gets the Mass Effect 3 that we have been waiting for.

[Foxhound2121]

I would love to have a DLC for an extended ending, an expansion, or whatever. I am a staunch fighter of corporate freedom and rights, but I totally support the Retake movement because I believe customer were mislead on pre-release statements, so mislead that it seemed like a different game entirely.


However, I am greatly worried about some of you in the Retake movement. I believe we need to be civil and hold our ground, but above all else, we also need to be reasonable. Asking someone to do something that is entirely unreasonable and illogical will not only eat away at your own credibility, but it will hurt RTM. We can plead and beg Bioware to do many things, but we can't ask them to do something that is absurd. Demanding that a dlc, a content extension, or an expansion be free is unreasonable.


I am know a lot of people dislike dlc content and believe it is the bane of gaming, but don't allow a rebellious disposition completely destroy our credibility. Asking for things that are unreasonable removes a lot of our credibility.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 30 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[DangerSandler]

Hope is what makes us strong. It is why we are here. It is what we fight with when all else is lost.

[rexx1888]

while im at it ill just point out that if you guys have been watching the forums, youll notice the "point of no return" is fast approaching... like super fast, id say youve got one announcement in ya before fans are done, so good luck with that

[hardermob5]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

It took some guts to post this, especially as how what happens over the next ten days will have a significant impact on the long term success of Bioware.  Your confidence that your heart is in the right place gives me a glimmer of hope for the Mass Effect 3 ending.

[Dr_Hello]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

".... making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me."

Great to hear it, Michael!

[hardermob5]

tjc2 wrote...

I bet CD PROJEKT has had smiles on their faces since launch. We should start a petition right now to stop them from letting EA buy all of their shares from the Polish stock exchange!

OMG... there goes the Witcher franchise.

[Gemini1179]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

Mr. Gamble,

                    I do not envy you or Mr. Hudson. You both are willingly and perhaps as part of your job, putting yourselves in the line of fire. Let's dispense with the BS though, seriously. A team that cared so passionately about a product they are putting out would not have released ME3 willingly with the ending the way it was.

    It's ok, we understand. EA, stock trading, budgets, fiscal years, etc. all played a factor in releasing an unfinished game. Yes, we know it was unfinished. It is glaringly obvious. From the blatant evidence of an 'Indoctrination' attempt to the incredible contradiction of pre-release statements by the dev team. I cannot believe that you or Mr. Hudson or even Mr. Walters would have said half the things you said if the ending that was released for Mass Effect 3 was always the originally intended ending.

    You guys are usually masters of double-speak and teasing, but the frankness of a lot of the pre-release comments can only be attributed to the ME3 dev team's passion for what they were doing. For the end result to be so blatantly contradictory to all of this points only to pressure outside the dev team to release the product.

    Mr. Woo has stated several times that we don't know the inner workings of the company and its interaction with EA, and are not going to. That's ok. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure things out.

    EA bought a company that was deep into development of an MMO that features, off the top, a massive licensing fee. A company also simply cannot fund at least 2 original IP's and a MMO without seeing a return on investment. With the success of ME2, I suspect that it was encouraged that BioWare release a game each year to meet fiscal requirements and shareholder demands that returns be gotten. We know that ME3 was originally scheduled for Nov 11 release and was pushed back, probably due to a lot of pleading on your part and perhaps Mr. Hudson because the team knew it simply wasn't going to be ready. Now, combine that with the poor reception and sales of DA2 and the fact that the release quarter for SWTOR had been pushed back several times already, you got a first-quarter 2012 release (or 4th quarter 2011 release depending on how EA does their budget) that you couldn't move again because once the decision to move ME3 was made, EA needed a Christmas release and SWTOR was pushed up and with DA3 off in the distance, there was nothing on the slate for a BioWare release this year.

    But in the end, there still wasn't enough time. The advertising division went into full gear and the team HAD to produce a game on time. Hence the ending.

    Now, you can't come out and say any of this because you work for a publicly traded company. If Casey Hudson were to come out and say he was sorry or that they were pressured to release a game before they were able to finish it, not only would EA's stock take a hit, but the company would probably file a massive lawsuit against Mr. Hudson and anybody even remotely connected to his words.

    So, we understand.

    But again, even through all the canned responses, NOT ONE ME3 dev team member has come out and defended the current ending(s) as they are showing their 'passion' for them. Mr. Woo has said that he had no problem with it, or liked it, or didn't mind it- which alone says enough despite my 'picking apart' his words.

    Look, we are a forgiving bunch, but the business model needs a bit of refinement if the BioWare team still wishes to produce a passionate and QUALITY product. Read: QUANTITY is not better.

    I believe your team can fix this. This is not precident setting, nor is it about "tampering with art" or damaging "artistic integrity", it is about finishing a passion product that you love and that we love with the ending it deserves.

Goodl luck at PAX.

[Saku39]

I'm all for being reasonable, but that time passed when you lied to me, BioWare. You took my money, and ripped me off. Now you're on my time.

You need to understand, Mikey. You bring this on yourselves.

If you aren't ready to really satisfy your customer base at PAX, just stay home. It could get ugly. I'd bring a tomato proof suit.

[Versus Omnibus]

This is a good read. I hope the rest of Retake sees this.

[Taboo]

Saku39 wrote...

I'm all for being reasonable, but that time passed when you lied to me, BioWare. You took my money, and ripped me off. Now you're on my time.

You need to understand, Mikey. You bring this on yourselves.

If you aren't ready to really satisfy your customer base at PAX, just stay home. It could get ugly. I'd bring a tomato proof suit.

Let's uh, chill out.

Anyway, we should keep this thread alive regardless as I wish to pass the information on to everyone.

[Versus Omnibus]

Cucobr wrote...

Dear BioWare,
I'll tell you something that you probably already know but worth talking about anyway.



In the event of BioWare at PAX, we'll want to know about the Ending-DLC



Understand one thing, we do not want to know if you are doing the DLC Omega, if you are doing the High Texture Pack for PC ... all this is nothing compared to the DLC important to close the trilogy.

you say that we would have news in April. PAX is in April.

And for God's sake, do not speak:
- We are working on it
- We are doing the DLC.

We want answers.

We do not want to know the history of the DLC of course. We want to know:
- The DLC will be paid?
- What is the reason you do that ending?
Among other things about the DLC and the ending.

Understand one thing, your event will be about the ending of the game and the DLC, that's what we want to hear, that's what we're going to see. Any other matter will be very frustrating.

^This

[Yahmosa007]

Im guessing we get 2-3 slides revealing the theory and clarifying it. No new endings or extensions or closure or any kind of continuation of the current endings at all.

This is what i am expecting. I have never been overly satisfied and this will be my 4th (And most anticipated) visit yet. Not because of the Mass effect Panel, But for fan reaction of it.

[GHoooSTS]

So... how many of y'all are actually GOING? I'll be there with a Marauder Shields t-shirt, or optionally (if I can find a third) one guy with a red shirt, a guy with a blue shirt, and a guy with a green shirt on.

[Taboo]

Yahmosa007 wrote...

Im guessing we get 2-3 slides revealing the theory and clarifying it. No new endings or extensions or closure or any kind of continuation of the current endings at all.

This is what i am expecting. I have never been overly satisfied and this will be my 4th (And most anticipated) visit yet. Not because of the Mass effect Panel, But for fan reaction of it.

They won't dare. They realize now how big the problem is. The producer himself came here to post in a thread I created. That's how bad the situation is.

[stwu]

@gemini1179 Right. It still boggles my mind that they would realease a beloved franchise with this many glaring oversights. The endings are complete and utter crap. So please don't tell me that you are devoted to ME cause, you threw the baby out with the bathwater.

[ShdwFox7]

Good post.  I've never been to a PAX event but I just want to say that Bioware might want to bring (and I mean this in a absolutely completely unthreatening way) a few bodyguards or cops to the panel. I'm just a little worried their is going to be that one guy whose a bit too fanatical and tries to start a slugfest or something. In any case I hope Bioware takes the opportunity to make a big announcement *cough* indoctrination *cough* in order to set the fans at ease.

(Note: even though I believe in the indoctrination theory I meant that in a jokingly manner. Please don't go troll on me)

Edited for minor fixes

Modifié par ShdwFox7, 30 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[Taboo]

ShdwFox7 wrote...

Good post.  I've never been to a PAX event but I just want to say that Bioware might want to bring (and I mean this in a absolutely completely unthreatening way) a few bodyguards or cops to the panel. I'm just a little worried their is going to be that one guy whose a bit too fanatical and tries to start a slug feast or something. In any case I hope Bioware takes the opportunity to make a big announcement *cough* indoctrination *cough* in order to set the fans at ease.

(Note: even though I believe in the indoctrination theory I meant that in a jokingly manner. Please don't go troll on me)

It's a great get out of jail free card. Fans will have created a part of the story, Bioware creates a new endings and everyone is hopefully happy, which is what I personally want.

[FabricatedWookie]

Gamble is attempting to make it through the pax-east relay. He is going to need a strong team if he is to have any chance of success.

[Gemini1179]

stwu wrote...

@gemini1179 Right. It still boggles my mind that they would realease a beloved franchise with this many glaring oversights. The endings are complete and utter crap. So please don't tell me that you are devoted to ME cause, you threw the baby out with the bathwater.

Exactly. After I got through my initial anger and depression, I saw just how screwed BioWare was in terms of fan relations. They have to fight to make things right and it will be interesting to see if they do.