Lalalandia wrote...
But it won't prevent piracy as all the 'scene' has to do is edit the WA values in coalesced.ini, this only inconveniences legitimate purchasers.
Get Magna Carter wrote...
Theory 1) Jarrett Lee said the "best ending" but did not say which ending that was. If Jarrett meeant the synthesis ending (and not the Shepard lives end scene) then that is achievable (and thus misleading but not a lie)
Theory 2) Some war assets are only obtainable with DLC both from ME2 and "From Ashes" - maybe Bioware intend to sell more which would increase the number of points available (of course it is no use to offline console gamers like me..which are of course the group most dependent of it being available in single player alone)
Theory 3) there is a secret trick to increasing ems which is not currently known outside Bioware
Kub666 wrote...
Just to clarify: Bioware wrongly assumes, that 4000k IS possible in SP. So none of these is actually correct.
Here's what I got from their twitter:
[/s]@[/s]kub666[/b] We've reported people's difficulty achieving this, though we have heard many reports of people garnering over 4k with only SP.
So, there you have it. And thanks who some people who suck at math Bioware still have trouble acknowledging the issue.
wizardryforever wrote...
Perhaps, but in this case it's apt. People are complaining "I don't want to do this part, but I should be rewarded as though I did anyway." If that's not entitlement, I don't know what is. And yes, people will believe any lie, even if the lie is that other people are trying to deceive you. Because they want it to be true.
Modifié par durasteel, 01 avril 2012 - 05:11 .
durasteel wrote...
wizardryforever wrote...
Perhaps, but in this case it's apt. People are complaining "I don't want to do this part, but I should be rewarded as though I did anyway." If that's not entitlement, I don't know what is. And yes, people will believe any lie, even if the lie is that other people are trying to deceive you. Because they want it to be true.
No, people are correctly pointing out that when the multi-player add-on was announced, it was described as optional. BioWare has at all times maintained that it is possible to achieve every available outcome in the single player game through doing nothing but playing the single player game, and that the multi-player presented an alternative to the single player exploration.
People are correctly pointing out that this is empirically false. Math is difficult to argue with.
What I don't understand is what makes you think it would be a good idea to come along and attack the people who are making these demonstrably correct observations, calling them "entitled" and such. Do you think that your obnoxious little rant contributes in some meaningful way to this discussion? You have no basis on which to attack the argument itself--it is mathematically impossible to achieve the highest threshold through nothing but the single player campaign--so instead you attack the people making the argument. Does this make you feel better about yourself? I see that in your signature you say "People are stupid." Do you exempt yourself from this generalization?
In the quote above, you admit to not knowing what entitlement is. Here's an example: going into a thread on this forum that is discussing an issue in factual terms based on mathematical proof, and feeling like you have the moral authority to belittle the people having that discussion because you own a copy of the game that the discussion is in reference to. That's entitlement. You has it.
wizardryforever wrote...
Easter eggs are a minor tidbit that you happen to come across in games. They are not essential in any way, shape, or form. In most games, people wouldn't even be aware that this little thing existed. Hence the term, easter egg. If there wasn't so much brou-ha-ha about this game and its endings, most people who play this game would be completely unaware that such a scene existed.
Modifié par durasteel, 01 avril 2012 - 05:38 .
durasteel wrote...
No, people are correctly pointing out that when the multi-player add-on was announced, it was described as optional. BioWare has at all times maintained that it is possible to achieve every available outcome in the single player game through doing nothing but playing the single player game, and that the multi-player presented an alternative to the single player exploration.
People are correctly pointing out that this is empirically false. Math is difficult to argue with.
What I don't understand is what makes you think it would be a good idea to come along and attack the people who are making these demonstrably correct observations, calling them "entitled" and such. Do you think that your obnoxious little rant contributes in some meaningful way to this discussion? You have no basis on which to attack the argument itself--it is mathematically impossible to achieve the highest threshold through nothing but the single player campaign--so instead you attack the people making the argument. Does this make you feel better about yourself? I see that in your signature you say "People are stupid." Do you exempt yourself from this generalization?
In the quote above, you admit to not knowing what entitlement is. Here's an example: going into a thread on this forum that is discussing an issue in factual terms based on mathematical proof, and feeling like you have the moral authority to belittle the people having that discussion because you own a copy of the game that the discussion is in reference to. That's entitlement. You has it.
Kub666 wrote...
Get Magna Carter wrote...
Theory 1) Jarrett Lee said the "best ending" but did not say which ending that was. If Jarrett meeant the synthesis ending (and not the Shepard lives end scene) then that is achievable (and thus misleading but not a lie)
Theory 2) Some war assets are only obtainable with DLC both from ME2 and "From Ashes" - maybe Bioware intend to sell more which would increase the number of points available (of course it is no use to offline console gamers like me..which are of course the group most dependent of it being available in single player alone)
Theory 3) there is a secret trick to increasing ems which is not currently known outside Bioware
Just to clarify: Bioware wrongly assumes, that 4000k IS possible in SP. So none of these is actually correct.
Here's what I got from their twitter:
[/s]@[/s]kub666[/b] We've reported people's difficulty achieving this, though we have heard many reports of people garnering over 4k with only SP.
So, there you have it. And thanks who some people who suck at math Bioware still have trouble acknowledging the issue.
ElementL09 wrote...
Kub666 wrote...
Get Magna Carter wrote...
Theory 1) Jarrett Lee said the "best ending" but did not say which ending that was. If Jarrett meeant the synthesis ending (and not the Shepard lives end scene) then that is achievable (and thus misleading but not a lie)
Theory 2) Some war assets are only obtainable with DLC both from ME2 and "From Ashes" - maybe Bioware intend to sell more which would increase the number of points available (of course it is no use to offline console gamers like me..which are of course the group most dependent of it being available in single player alone)
Theory 3) there is a secret trick to increasing ems which is not currently known outside Bioware
Just to clarify: Bioware wrongly assumes, that 4000k IS possible in SP. So none of these is actually correct.
Here's what I got from their twitter:
[/s]@[/s]kub666[/b] We've reported people's difficulty achieving this, though we have heard many reports of people garnering over 4k with only SP.
So, there you have it. And thanks who some people who suck at math Bioware still have trouble acknowledging the issue.
I'm wondering if they even played the game themselves? Do they know how EMS and Galactic Readiness relate to each other?
KBomb wrote...
durasteel wrote...
No, people are correctly pointing out that when the multi-player add-on was announced, it was described as optional. BioWare has at all times maintained that it is possible to achieve every available outcome in the single player game through doing nothing but playing the single player game, and that the multi-player presented an alternative to the single player exploration.
People are correctly pointing out that this is empirically false. Math is difficult to argue with.
What I don't understand is what makes you think it would be a good idea to come along and attack the people who are making these demonstrably correct observations, calling them "entitled" and such. Do you think that your obnoxious little rant contributes in some meaningful way to this discussion? You have no basis on which to attack the argument itself--it is mathematically impossible to achieve the highest threshold through nothing but the single player campaign--so instead you attack the people making the argument. Does this make you feel better about yourself? I see that in your signature you say "People are stupid." Do you exempt yourself from this generalization?
In the quote above, you admit to not knowing what entitlement is. Here's an example: going into a thread on this forum that is discussing an issue in factual terms based on mathematical proof, and feeling like you have the moral authority to belittle the people having that discussion because you own a copy of the game that the discussion is in reference to. That's entitlement. You has it.
Well said, sir.
ElementL09 wrote...
I'm wondering if they even played the game themselves? Do they know how EMS and Galactic Readiness relate to each other?
Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 01 avril 2012 - 10:57 .
TheRealJayDee wrote...
Of course there are people at Bioware who have played the game, multiple times, from beginning to end, with everything from new default ME3 Shepard to a custom Shepard from original ME of course. They know exactly how everything works, and how every aspect of the game interacts with the other aspects. I mean, they kinda have to, they had to make sure everything was functioning as intended before shipping the game. Believing otherwise would be plain absurd.
Lalalandia wrote...
Honestly it seems increasingly likely that the 'testing' for whether it was possible to get > 4000 EMS happened before the final shape of the game was decided leaving multiple WA on the floor making > 4000 EMS impossible.It's the most benign explanation for the odd assertions by BW staff who should know better.
Kub666 wrote...
Lalalandia wrote...
Honestly it seems increasingly likely that the 'testing' for whether it was possible to get > 4000 EMS happened before the final shape of the game was decided leaving multiple WA on the floor making > 4000 EMS impossible.It's the most benign explanation for the odd assertions by BW staff who should know better.
They did test it, so your explanation may be valid. Quoting from another thread,
here's something by Thomas Abram from Bioware's QA, regarding the EMS problem:
"That sounds really odd - I specifically recall testing something similar to this early in the new year and all the tests passed. I'm at home for the day but when I get in to work tomorrow I'll take a good hard look (if you want to follow up please do so via PM/seperate thread)."
http://social.biowar...x/10849566&lf=8
Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 02 avril 2012 - 09:58 .
TheRealJayDee wrote...
I invited the guy to come to one of these threads, but I haven't seen anything yet. All I've seen by now is that Priestly's obviously discovered that "We're not lying. LOCKDOWN." is not as effective as simply deleting whole threads...
KBomb wrote...
Great news. Though, how they could be oblivious to it is beyond me. There have been numerous threads on the subject in various sections of the ME3 forums. I just hope we get a thorough answer and not anything like the Twitter response. It would be so refreshing to have this issue taken seriously for once!
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